Av8er From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 19 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
Hi all,
Can anyone tell me why some airlines have ash tray's in the a/c lav. I find this strange as airlines do not allow smoking in the lav, most now don't allow it onboard at all. Could there be some airlines out there that allow smoking in the lav.
I think I have seen the ash tray on Virgin's b747-400. I did see it in Oct 2004 on Singapore's A345. Both airlines do not allow smoking yet they had the ash trays.
Maybe I can understand it on the older B747-400, when rules may have been less stringent but why does Airbus bother adding it to the new A345.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
They are still required by the FAR's and the AD. The logic being if someone lights up by accident, they have a safe place to put the butt.
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STLUAL747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 167 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3947 times:
The reason there are ash trays on the older aircraft is because there wasn't always the law that ban smoking on aircraft, but you are right it doesn't make sense that there would be ash trays on newer aircraft. Is that law banning smoking just in the U.S. or is that throughout the world? This could be why airbus still puts ash trays in the lavs because it is legal in other countries.
Shamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3928 times:
I'd have thought it is a safety issue. If someone were foolish enough to tamper with a smoke detector and light up a cigarette in the lavatory, disposing of it into the waste bin (rather than an ashtray) could ignite paper towels and cause a fire.
There is no worldwide ban of smoking on aircraft. There are still a few airlines which allow smoking though I can't name any off the top of my head.
Skidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 60 Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3792 times:
It is a legal requirement for ash-trays to be fitted in the toilet, both with the CAA and the FAA I believe.
Don't ask me why, it just makes things extremely difficult trying to find bloody replacements when they are nicked!
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3721 times:
Post coital perhaps?
I guess some of the older planes are hangovers from the days that that particular airline allowed smoking. But what EMBQA says, and what others have repeated, about requiring a tray in case somebody should light up sounds plausible.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3675 times:
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4931 posts, RR: 28 Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3634 times:
Some older aircraft of major Airlines still had a "smoking section" sign in the middle of the aircraft! I saw this on AF (MIA-CDG) a couple of years ago. Have these signs been removed?
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