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Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav  
User currently offlineAv8er From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 19 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5493 times:


Hi all,

Can anyone tell me why some airlines have ash tray's in the a/c lav. I find this strange as airlines do not allow smoking in the lav, most now don't allow it onboard at all. Could there be some airlines out there that allow smoking in the lav.

I think I have seen the ash tray on Virgin's b747-400. I did see it in Oct 2004 on Singapore's A345. Both airlines do not allow smoking yet they had the ash trays.

Maybe I can understand it on the older B747-400, when rules may have been less stringent but why does Airbus bother adding it to the new A345.

Any ideas.

Regrds
Av8er

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

They are still required by the FAR's and the AD. The logic being if someone lights up by accident, they have a safe place to put the butt.


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User currently offlineSTLUAL747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

The reason there are ash trays on the older aircraft is because there wasn't always the law that ban smoking on aircraft, but you are right it doesn't make sense that there would be ash trays on newer aircraft. Is that law banning smoking just in the U.S. or is that throughout the world? This could be why airbus still puts ash trays in the lavs because it is legal in other countries.

Josh



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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5445 times:

I'd have thought it is a safety issue. If someone were foolish enough to tamper with a smoke detector and light up a cigarette in the lavatory, disposing of it into the waste bin (rather than an ashtray) could ignite paper towels and cause a fire.

There is no worldwide ban of smoking on aircraft. There are still a few airlines which allow smoking though I can't name any off the top of my head.


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5423 times:

I thought they were for Americans to put their gum in.

User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

It is a legal requirement for ash-trays to be fitted in the toilet, both with the CAA and the FAA I believe.
Don't ask me why, it just makes things extremely difficult trying to find bloody replacements when they are nicked!



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

Convenience of the flight attendants?

User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5238 times:

Post coital perhaps?  Wink/being sarcastic

I guess some of the older planes are hangovers from the days that that particular airline allowed smoking. But what EMBQA says, and what others have repeated, about requiring a tray in case somebody should light up sounds plausible.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

I thought they were for Americans to put their gum in.

Or for the British to spit out their food into !!! LOL

(I was married to a British lady for many years!!!)



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/6A1D491DCDC47B1B86256A3300697D39?OpenDocument&Highlight=smoke

Here is the link to the US AD74-08-09R2 that requires ashtrays to be installed in lavatory units.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Some older aircraft of major Airlines still had a "smoking section" sign in the middle of the aircraft! I saw this on AF (MIA-CDG) a couple of years ago. Have these signs been removed?


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