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WSJ 1/2/05: Boeing Gets Big US 7E7 Order  
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5128 posts, RR: 22
Posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 13249 times:

The WSJ online edition hit with a headline an hour ago that says "Boeing Gets Big U.S. Order for 7E7s". I don't subscribe to the online edition, so I don't know if this is in addition to the CO order announced on Wednesday.

I don't know if 10 aircraft is exactly a "Big" order, so I'm inclined to think that this is new news. OTOH, it could be an article that didn't make it into Thursday's paper; I don't know if they published on Friday.

Anybody have more definitive information?

All the best,

Bill

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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 13153 times:

if i were a betting man i would say gordon and his band of texans are gonna jump in and get some, just a hunch


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16824 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 13106 times:

"if i were a betting man i would say gordon and his band of texans are gonna jump in and get some, just a hunch "

CO has ordered 10..



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 13098 times:

if i were a betting man i would say gordon and his band of texans are gonna jump in and get some, just a hunch

Gordon and his band of Texans already has jumped in and gotten some. If you look on Boeing's website, you will see a 7E7 flying in CO colors. The question is if another big 7E7 order is coming from a U.S. carrier....

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2004/q4/nr_041229g.html


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 12926 times:

If another order is coming from a US airline, it is Northwest or American. I wouldn't be surprised to see American start ordering them, because they short-ranger version is prefect for their short/medium haul markets to the Caribbean and Latin America from Miami.

Before people keep on going "AA can't afford it blah blah blah", keep in mind we are talking about 2009-2010 here. They can place an order now with little or no financial obligation for another 3-4 years.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5128 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 12846 times:

Too bad nobody here subscribes to the Online Journal, then they could just click on the link and read the article. I actually am finding it quite suspenseful...

User currently offlineFloris From Netherlands, joined Jun 2003, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 12791 times:

Obviously the article is on the CO order. Do you seriously think that if there was a second US order, it would ONLY be in the WSJ and on no other website? Including Boeing's website? Duh!

User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 12755 times:

Ten a/c isn't a huge order, I hope AA is ordering the 7E7. I tried to call my CFI to ask him...

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 12737 times:

I think it is the CO order, because I saw an article dated 12/30 with the same title on the WSJ site.


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5128 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 12675 times:

Floris:

I hardly thinks that this merits a "Duh."

Respectfully, the Wall Street Journal often breaks stories on Boeing (and other large American industrial firms) before the markets open and before the companies officially announce them. That's sort of the point of being a business reporter -- to glean information and break stories before the companies issue their own press releases. Otherwise, I wouldn't read the newspaper; I would just monitor PR Newswire and corporate web sites for my business news.

Given that this is Sunday, perhaps Boeing was planning on announcing it tomorrow. All the articles over the weekend that I saw stated that Boeing was not giving up on the 200 number, even after the close of business on Friday.

Of course, as I note in my initial post, this could simply be the headline for an analytical article to appear in Monday's print edition regarding the CO order. However, as the CO order came on *Wednesday*, it just seemed odd to me that the WSJ would put the headline out to Yahoo! and others for the first time late on Sunday evening. It's possible. But it might well be something else. Hence, the intrigue.

All the best,

Bill


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5128 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 12657 times:

Atmx: If that's the case, you're probably right.

Sorry if I stirred up a hornet's nest. (Dang WSJ headline writers...)

--Bill


User currently offlineCaptainGomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 12658 times:

I tried to call my CFI to ask him

Why would your flight instructor know?

Like others, I too believe it is just the Continental order for the 7E7's, although it would be a pleasant surprise to see another American airline taking the plunge for the aircraft this soon.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 12639 times:

Assuming that it is about Continental, I think the term "big" refers to the fact that such an order from a U.S. airline is a harbinger of better days to come.

Personally I would have used a word other than "big" to describe it though.


User currently offlineFloris From Netherlands, joined Jun 2003, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

Some people are easy to intrigue then. Perhaps US orders 100  Wink/being sarcastic If you stay awake all night, you might learn the answer at 4 am!

[Edited 2005-01-03 04:21:57]

User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 12588 times:

The article is about CO's order. I have access to the WSJ Online. However, this article is from Dec. 30, and not today.

Edit: The article is about CO. It came up as a new article because there were some corrections and updates to the one from Thursday. Allegedly in the original article, WSJ gave the specs for the 7E7-3 and not the 7E7-8 that CO ordered.

[Edited 2005-01-03 04:59:00]


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 12565 times:

I wanted to add what Wjcandee already did. The WSJ often is the first to press with such news. Given that they already obviously knew about the CO order and published a piece on it on Thursday, then there is a good chance there is an actual entirely new order for B7E7 since they published a separate article 4 days later.

I hope it is NWA or American. I hope it is not Primaris doubling its order though.


User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 12294 times:

AA can afford it and I am telling you rumors are circling around.....

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 12196 times:

There must also be a news in the FT:

http://biz.yahoo.com/n/y/y0002.html

http://users1.wsj.com/lmda/do/checkLogin?a=t&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2F0%2C%2CSB110436664842212474%2C00.html%3Fmod%3Dyahoo_hs%26ru%3Dyahoo


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5181 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 12112 times:

A friend of mine is an AA pilot, and he's been hearing rumors of an AA order for 7E7s for several weeks. Supposedly, the order will be for deliveries in 2010 or later.



User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 12083 times:

It's the article from 12/30/04 which has merely been been corrected, under "corrections and amplications" at the bottom of the article, to include the specs froms the 7e7-8 rather than 7e7-3 which were originally published.

User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 11862 times:

The 757-300s and 737-800s are coming from TZ's fleet from what I understand.

I also wonder why CO or NW did not take some of Thomas Cook's 757-300s off their hands. They have been trying to unload them for a while through Airbus.

M


User currently offlineVscaptain From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

That's surprised me! I thought Northwest would be the first airline to order the 7E7 because I seem to remember Northwest has already announced the 7E7 pilots pay.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7854 times:

They also already announced the 350 pilot's pay.

AA can afford it and I am telling you rumors are circling around.....

AA can't afford it, at all. But I'm sure there are rumors.

N


User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7390 times:

A friend of mine is an AA pilot, and he's been hearing rumors of an AA order for 7E7s for several weeks. Supposedly, the order will be for deliveries in 2010 or later.

Why not? Even airlines under chapter 11 were placing orders for new aircraft (AC).



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

I don't know if 10 aircraft is exactly a "Big" order.

.....and 'big' might not refer to the number of planes more to the significance (first US major) of the order.


25 Post contains images Nucsh : AA not affording the 7E7?? I chuckle at that. They're the biggest airline in the US, and as far as I know, aren't even close to Ch.11 filing. (Now, re
26 N328KF : Nusch: Yes. It speaks volumes of the analytical ineptitude of many of the Aneters who think that AA is broke. $3bil+ in liquid assets is not "broke."
27 STT757 : "The 757-300s and 737-800s are coming from TZ's fleet from what I understand." CO is getting the 8 757-300s from ATA, however the 737-800s are new bui
28 Mariner : N328KF: Um - hang on a tick. How much money an airline has in the bank is little indication of their financial health. United has a couple of billion
29 WhiteHatter : Yes. It speaks volumes of the analytical ineptitude of many of the Aneters who think that AA is broke. $3bil+ in liquid assets is not "broke." says a
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