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Wow Turbulence Can Kill!  
User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 9718 times:

I was reading that in 1997 a United 747-100 flying near Japan encountered severe turbulence that led to the death of one passenger and left 3 crew members with serious injurys. From my research the a/c was NRT?SFO and that shortyly after take-off the pilots hit severe turbulence during "clear-air" flight and caused the death of one passenger and left close to 100 with minor injurys. Does anyone else know of this incident?

For all those "How bad can turbulence get?" here's an example of how bad it can get. Now from my understanding "severe" means loss of alt. and some loss of control over the aircraft.

Any other info on this crash would be great!

Thanks again for all the help!

UA777222


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User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

I can't help you with that, but I do remember a while back in 2004, there was an IB A340 somewhere over South America that hit really bad turbulence. For some reason I remember that 6 or 8 people died and a lot of people had to be hospitalized.


Joe


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 9630 times:

The link below list almost all fatalities since 1980



http://www.airsafe.com/events/turb.htm



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 9580 times:

Below is a link on the United 747 you were asking about.

Hope it helps


http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/misc/971228.html


Rob



Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

I remember this incident and a few others of the sort. The aircraft was N4723U and was enroute from Tokyo to HNL. The turbulance was not anticipated, however, according to the NTSB, " ... the Japanese-speaking flight attendant did not fully translate one of the captain's instructions to fasten seat belts into Japanese. Most of the passengers spoke only Japanese."

In November 2000, An American A300 enroute from MIA to Port Au Prince encountered severe turbulence that caused a passenger's death.

This is exactly why we are instructed to keep our seat belts fastened even when the sign is off.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 9525 times:

Severe turulence is loss of control. If I remember correctly another UA 747 hit it as well after leaving NRT. About 1 year later w/ less injuries.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

Is it me or are pacific flights more bound to hit hard turbulence? I (have told this story many times on a.net) was flying home (HKG-SFO) and about 3 hours into the flight the capt. came over the PA, in a semi-frantic voice, for all passengers and crew to stop the meal service and strap in. I was worried b/c on CH. 9 there was talk of actually diverting to HNL or to fly a more northern route (A company 744 was just a few a head of us and had hit the turbulence first). In the end a few people wore their dinner and our caption objected to diverting and just flew wayyyyyy north and then down the coast. Took about another hour.

I too heard of that IB incident but can't recall where or when it happened though it was on a newer jet (going to guess 346) and was pretty recent.

Thanks for the great posts!

UA777222



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 9461 times:

OOh yea it can. Some where in Europe a few years back all the passangers on a bizjet where killed when the aircraft hit turbulance.

*update*..I knew there was a photo....

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[Edited 2005-01-03 06:00:42]


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User currently offlineATL2CDG From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 296 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

And these incidents are just a few examples of the MANY reasons why passengers should always observe and comply with the fasten seatbelt sign AND keep seatbelts fastened all at times when not immediately out of one's seat.

Just a friendly reminder from your inflight safety/security/service professionals worldwide.



Ignorantia juris neminem excusat.
User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

UAL had a 747 enroute to HKG via ORD few years back that encountered severe turbulence and had to land somewhere in Canada. Severe turbulence was to blame, and nobody was hurt.

I do remember the story you write of. I was working a flight and the newsreal came across that a UAL 47 hit clear air turbulence and 1 pax was killed, hit the ceiling after the aircraft dropped 2000 feet I believe it was. Several F/A's were hurt as well, returned to NRT.


UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineBrink777 From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 9229 times:

somone actually video tapped some of it I think they showed it on the dsc channel does anybody have a link possibly!

User currently offlineWhisperliner From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

just wondering, but regarding the story on the business jet- how did all the passengers get killed? were they not buckled in? perhaps that is why the crew was ok?

User currently offlineN867bx From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

I was flying TWA stl-mia in 1999. I was extremely tired and drifted off to sleep shortly after receiving a Coke. I awoke to the guy next to me nudgeing me and telling me that I might want to hold onto my beverage. Before I could grab the glass, my Coke was literally bouncing off the ceiling and splattered the three of us in our row of seats. No FA'S were around to help clean up as they must have been warned to be seated b4 the rough stuff. I am also certain (although I was asleep) that the pilots warned the fa's and pax of the rough air ahead. My hips were a bit sore from the seatbelt. It was a short amount of rough air, but I am certain anyone not belted in would have been seriously injured or killed.

User currently offlineCo 757-300 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

i'd like to see that video link too

User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 9045 times:

Article:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9712/28/japan.turbulence.update/

Video:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9712/28/japan.turbulence.update/united.nhk.11.320.mov

In the video, you can see someone walking around with a piece of the bulkhead...  Wow!


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 8933 times:

About the IB A340 incident, it happened during initial descent to Lima, Perú. The A340 was descending while crossing a thunderstorm area over the Peruvian andes when it was caught by severe turbulence. According to passengers it was really bad, however and despite what was posted above there were no fatalities, only some injured passengers that were not using their seatbelts when it happened and a couple of cabin crew members. The aircraft was an A340-300.

There was another IB-aircraft incident with severe turbulence. This time it was a B747-200 near the Canary Islands while flying from Buenos Aires to Madrid. Things had been pretty rough for a while and everyone on board was with their seatbelts fastened...but there's always one who doesn't understand about rules, and a 60-year old English woman decided to go to the lavatory under those conditions. The result was that she was thrown against the cabin ceiling and the Captain had to make an emergency landing at Las Palmas de Gran Canaria and request medical attention for that passenger...she had a severe neck injury and was on a wheelchair for a long time after that (not sure if still is).

Both things happened last year.

And finally there was a Lufthansa A343 that was also hit by severe turbulence while cruising over the US on its way to somewhere in Texas. There even was a thread here about it. The topic was something like "LH A343 (or what's left of it) lands after being hit by turbulence".



¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 8900 times:

That is why - Always keep your seat belt on while seated!


It's Scandinavian
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months ago) and read 8660 times:


http://aviation-safety.net/database/1997/971228-0.htm

As you can see, the a/c was even written off due to this accident.


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Daniel


User currently offlineIlsapproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

My seatbelt ALWAYS fastened the whole flight...................I have witnessed people without them come out of their seats and hit their heads on overhead!

OUCH.................good way to snap your neck quickly!!!!

But I do love the rides from turbulence!!!

Mike @ MSP


User currently offlineMadjones From Canada, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

http://www.ainonline.com/issues/07_00/july_struggle_6.html

This link describes the VERY tragic Falcon flight.

Madjones
CYYC


User currently offlineLuv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6144 times:

This is very interesting to me since I just flew NRT-SFO on Jan 1st. We had such horrible turbulence, it was scary. Stuff was falling and crashing around. The captain got on several times to tell everyone to sit down and the flight attendants looked visibly worried, and I heard from one that it was really bad. The turbulence was really violent with lots of drops and not so much shaking back and forth.


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Has anyone read the book "Airframe" by Michael Crichton? It describes an incident like the ones described above (fiction, of course), and follows the investigation afterward. I read the book before I really got into airplanes, so I'm not sure if it is entirely accurate, but he seemed to know what he was talking about. Anyway, it a good read.

Here's the link to the book on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0345402871/qid=1104782618/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-9403403-0314511?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Harry



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17186 posts, RR: 66
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

http://www.ainonline.com/issues/07_00/july_struggle_6.html

This link describes the VERY tragic Falcon flight.

Madjones
CYYC


Having read that it sounds as if the pilot didn't know what he was doing. PIO has been the cause of a few accidents, including one with the SAAB Gripen and one with the F-22 Raptor. Michael Crichton's "Airframe" also describes such an accident.



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User currently offlineBAtripleseven From Greece, joined Dec 2004, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

wow. Scary,,, i remember hearing about the UA incident

User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

This has happened once on one of my flights it was about a 1 hour flight from some town in Texas over to IAH.... Just as I locked in the bar cart it felt like someone put their hand on the plane and shook it rapidly up and down. The locked carts lifed and hit the small space where they are locked in. I just grabbed a wall and the ceiling and watched everyones drink bounce up then back on them. It was completely unexpected. Also a CO flight coming up from Mexico about a year ago had to call for medical assistance for the flight attendants due to the same type of situation.


"TWA... One Mission, Yours."
25 Ua777222 : In reference to the seat-belt awareness comments. On a flight from FRA to LAX the pilot for some reason or another had to correct at the very last min
26 Britannia : In the "old" days when propeller aircraft operated flight to WSSS Singapore turbulence would make the aircraft lose 5000ft sometimes! Not very nice at
27 JrMafia90 : Can we clarify how they die, my friend they die because there is a hole in the plane (I have no clue how he thinks that), but don't the people die bec
28 Ua777222 : My mother has a co-worker who owns a Bonanza and she was told that they were flying from Palm Beach to their aviation community in Northern California
29 FSPilot747 : " got caught in their jetstrem " ..Wake turbulence
30 Newark777 : Can we clarify how they die, my friend they die because there is a hole in the plane (I have no clue how he thinks that), but don't the people die bec
31 Post contains links WhiteHatter : Link to some notable incidents http://www.airsafe.com/events/turb.htm The Air France one was a particularly unpleasant incident, and the 744 coped adm
32 RyanL1011 : That United 747-100 was sure a beautiful aircraft. I am curious as to everyones worse turbulence expierence would be.
33 Copter808 : There was an incident several years ago in Japan where extreme turbulence brought the airplane down. Think it may have been a 707 (NWA maybe?) It was
34 Lono : Flying into ANC is always interesting.. I remember being on final once when a F/A was walking back to her seat after cleaning up... we hit a pocket an
35 TrnsWrld : My mom (a TWA flight attendant of 28 years) was in the hospital after the DC-9 flew through a very bad hail storm. She ended up hitting the ceiling of
36 Post contains links Kalakaua : Here's the story from the Honolulu Star Bulletin. One of the flight attendants was my chemistry teacher's husband... http://starbulletin.com/97/12/29/
37 Post contains images Barney Captain : " would loose 1,000's of feet in a matter of just a few short seconds....." Fairly common comment but is in all actuality, aerodynamically impossible.
38 BuyantUkhaa : The Mt. Fuji accident to my knowledge was caused by a rotor - common phenomenon near mountains.
39 Starlionblue : This is one reason it drives me nuts when I am on a flight and see parents that dont make their children where the seatbelts. Only if they knew! It's
40 Iakobos : EMBQA, The caption about the Greek Falcon incident over Romania is totally wrong, and so is your post. The cause has nothing to do with turbulence (wi
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