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How Safe Is AMS?  
User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1947 posts, RR: 19
Posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Hey everyone. After looking at amazing pictures from AMS and hearing how awesome that airport is for spotters, it made me think, "Is AMS catering to it's passengers safety or its community spotters? I'm not complaining or siding with the USA's mentality of "anti-spotting" after 9/11 because I'd love to visit AMS one day, if I can ever afford it. It just makes me wonder, how safe is AMS to fly out of if there are NO fences around the airport? How hard would it be for a Terrorist to put a bomb on the runway or fire a missle directly at a US airliners departing from AMS? I discussed this with a cop once and his response was, "well, we'll see how much security they have after they have an aviation terror attack on their soil." I really wanna come to AMS sometime in the next few years but I just can't believe there are no fences.

-Justin

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

How hard would it be for a Terrorist to put a bomb on the runway or fire a missle directly at a US airliners departing from AMS? I

About as easy as firing a missile at a plane from outside the fence, cutting through the fence or getting to LGA from a boat.

No real difference in security from that standpoint.

EDIT: And may I just note how many Americans always seem to think that other countries cannot possibly do things as well as theirs can. Before 9/11, US airport security was the joke of the commercial aviation industry!

[Edited 2005-01-03 22:45:25]


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1947 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Starlionblue,

the last thing I want to to label me as is a "stupid American". I think the way this country has settled things after 9/11 is A JOKE! I am not praising America for their aviation security measures at all. If anything, I'm scoffing at our government for their rediculousness in creating the Homeland Security Department and TSA!!! I realize that it would be just as simple to fire a missle at a plane without a fence but I just seem to think AMS is lot less secure with the ability for people to just prance right up onto the runway and tarmac. Again, I'm not saying this to boost America's airport or say that America's security is better, I just think having a fence up a LITTLE bit better than no fence at all. As a passenger, I'd feel safer with a barbed-wire fence up. But as a photographer, I'd obviously prefer the fence's absence of presence.


User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

I'd love to visit AMS one day, if I can ever afford it. It just makes me wonder, how safe is AMS to fly out of if there are NO fences around the airport? How hard would it be for a Terrorist to put a bomb on the runway or fire a missle directly at a US airliners departing from AMS?

Well, AMS is a safe Airport, although concerning to Fire a Missle at an Airline, This Could be Possible, Just as it would be possible as other Airports around the world. Off Course we have an intensive security control at AMS, and all U.S airlines go through several security measures at AMS. Also there is a 24 hour Runway security control at AMS

Anyway Enjoy my Airport and do not worry too much!

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

No offence to you personally Dlx737200! It's just that I think AMS is very safe. They have obviously given the matter a lot of thought and decided that the system works as is.


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineN774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

AMS,

Also there is a 24 hour Runway security control at AMS

Can you clarify that. I've never heard of such thing.

N774UA



...follow his instructions, switch off at the stand.
User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

N774UA,

Yes, Having worked myself at AMS for several years I can Confirm that AMS does have a 24 Hour Runway Security. The main task of the Runway Security control is to determine if there is any metals or other parts, which airplanes may have lost during Departures and landings.

The Runway Control is in contact wit the AMS Control tower 24 Hours a day. Off Course they work in several shifts.

Regards,
AMS



User currently offlineN774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

OK,

you are referring to the "checker". I know their job. Big grin I thought that you meant a post 9/11 measure.

Regards,

N774UA



...follow his instructions, switch off at the stand.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

After TLV, AMS is possibly the most secure airport in the world.

N


User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

you are referring to the "checker". I know their job. I thought that you meant a post 9/11 measure

Yes that is completely correct!. The Security Checker is Trained to look for may kind of objects!,

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

While there are no fences, there are ditches and canals between the runway and publicly accesible areas. From checkpoints and control towers these canals are observed 24/7 and if anyone swims, drives or climbs over them there, police is there in seconds.


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

I just think having a fence up a LITTLE bit better than no fence at all. As a passenger, I'd feel safer with a barbed-wire fence up. But as a photographer, I'd obviously prefer the fence's absence of presence.

Again if someone want to sent a missile to an airplane, a fence does not provide any protection!. Again as MEA-707 stated, there are large Canals between the Runways and the Other side of the Airport, as well a a tight security control.

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

I leave it to the locals to describe the measures taken outside to control the perimeter, but I will say that I flew AMS-BOS last Friday, and I went through two separate security screenings and two separate questionings. All done very professionally and efficiently. If this is any indication of how things are monitored outside, I would say that AMS is very safe.

Beautiful city, BTW!

Logan


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

And on a site note, AMS will soon be protected by tulips, that give such a strong smell that the missiles will turn around immediately. See http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Breaking_News/Snippets_/

But seriously, I think the ditches are as good as a fence - as long as they don't freeze over...



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User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

AMS is one of my favorite cities in the world with one of my favorite airports in the world to fly into. I have no problem with no fences as the Security patrols and the ditches do the trick as good as any fences anywhere else in the world...

I always feel safe in Amsterdam- The Airport, the City, the people- WONDERFUL place!!!!

mtnman  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

What about SFO? With all those hotels around? Every time I've driven around there, I've never seen any security presence.


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

I can't wait to visit AMS myself, although I don't see that happening anytime soon, with college tuition costs right around the corner. My parents already think I am crazy for driving to EWR to take pictures of planes, but they would think I was insane if I flew somewhere to take pictures.  Laugh out loud

Milan320:
Security systems are designed to observe you, not the other way around. I'm sure there is ample security there, just not obvious to the casual observer.

Harry




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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

How many stinger missiles have been found in the hands of terrorists in the EU or the US anyway? I can't remember hearing of one single event.

So, someone in Iraq fired a missile at a DHL aircraft and someone in Kenya fired a missile at an Arkia aircraft, and both countries aren't exactly known for terrific security. Do the two attacks mean "Westerners" have to fear the same happening right at home? No. It's little more than a nice opportunity to see the "kill one (not), scare a million" theory at work.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

I think people just get worried when they see a clear line of sight to an airport. We are all so used to the layers of barbed wire and armed guards, we use them to keep ourselves calm, to make us feel it is safe; to make us think that it is safer when the fence is up. As long as there is some kind of diversionary boundary and police presence, both of which they have at AMS, I feel it is safe. As it has been said a bunch of times already, a fence is not going to deter someone with an AA missile.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

I discussed this with a cop once and his response was, "well, we'll see how much security they have after they have an aviation terror attack on their soil."

1) There have been aviation-related terror attacks in Europe long before 9/11. As a result security was tightened to levels above the US standards in the pre 9/11 days. Not to say that it was/is perfect, but I think that this cop's response (not your post!) sounds a bit ignorant to me.

2) Even building a 30ft concrete wall around the perimeter fences would not have prevented the attacks of 9/11. The terrorists used loopholes in the regulations at that time and didn't need to climb over fences or swim through canals.


User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Orlando/MCO has a series of fences and ponds/canals/ditches. Be careful of the alligators in the water! I've actually been delayed a few times out of MCO due to some gators sunning themselves on the taxiways.


If not now, then when?
User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1947 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Jc2354, I live in Orlando. I am quite aware of their security measures.

. Do the two attacks mean "Westerners" have to fear the same happening right at home?

(Sarcasm ON) OF COURSE!!!. (Sarcasm OFF) MCO had found these examples to be more than enough to close down our beloved Frontage Rd in fear of a terrorist shooting down arriving aircraft. I agree with what you said, Aloges. Now please tell MCO this!  Big thumbs up

While there are no fences, there are ditches and canals between the runway and publicly accesible areas. From checkpoints and control towers these canals are observed 24/7 and if anyone swims, drives or climbs over them there, police is there in seconds.

Ok... I was not aware of this. Forgive my ignorance. From picture I have seen, it appeared there was flat, level ground the whole way to the runway. I am familiar with ditches/canals being used because MCO, as Jc2354 mentioned, uses them around their airsides. There are no fences, which would make great for shooting pics. Problem is, no where to pull off, and it is almost a guarantee that a cop would drive by sooner or later and scare us off with the amount of traffic that goes past the airsides.

Again, I can't wait to visit AMS some day, I just wasn't sure what kinda security measures are/were taken there and now I know. Thanks everyone!


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