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MX Applies To DOT For GDL-CLT Service  
User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=309784&docketid=20008

Seems like they and AM are applying for a lot. Should be interesting to see when all of these new flights between AM/MX are going to actually start (DTW, IAD, CLT, etc.)

PlaneGuy27

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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Interesting! I did a search and found that AM applied for a PVR-SAN which is about to start and HMO-DTW; MTY-DTW, both routes have been approved. Perhaps service will start next February.

On the other side, MX applied for HMO-DTW; MEX-CLT; BJX-SMF; MLM-SMF; CUN-SMF; SJD-SMF; SJD-LAS; SJD-OAK; CUN-OAK which all have been authorized. SJD-LAS is the only route that has already started. And the most recent the GDL-CLT service is pending for approval. MX just quit HMO yesterday so it looks like DTW will be exclusively from AM. A very active start from both carriers. According to the last date given, next March 01st MX will launch all their new flights to DFW.

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Could this mean competition to US Airways? From what I've heard, US Airways is doing quite good on the MEX-CLT route! Hope they start it soon! At last it seems as the "giant is waking up" (CINTRA of course).

Winds of change are getting closer and closer!

A. De Leo
"PiloT"



Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

I like that qoute LeoDF "giant is waking up." They better be waking up, because they are getting a swift kick in the butt by U.S. airlines. And I hope to see them expanding their fleets. And the giant needs to be waking up in Europe and Asia.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Will MX and AM be expanding operations(adding new destinations) at U.S. airports where they have a big presence like LAX,ORD, or MIA? Like MX can open up CUN-ORD or Ixtapa-ORD


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

MX plans to start the CLT-MEX and CLT-GDL service Summer 2005 using A320 or B757 aircraft. They have already notified the Charlotte airport so they can get rolling on ticket counter and gate space.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3477 times:


Will MX and AM be expanding operations(adding new destinations) at U.S. airports where they have a big presence like LAX,ORD, or MIA?


AM just added a fourth daily MIA-MEX and last spring resumed MIA-CUN.

Rumour is that MX will be adding MIA-GDL in 3Q05, and possibly another MIA-Mexico run (ACA, MID and/or BJX) as a result of their new AA partnership.



a.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

I am very glad to read that. I understand that CLT is conveniently located for a large number of Mexican immigrants so I am sure that MX will do well with its flights to CLT. And with the possibility of a US demise becoming stronger every day, MX stands to win a lot in the MEX-CLT route.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineFlydc10 From Mexico, joined Aug 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Hey

I know i am a little of topic here, but I would like to know what are Mexicana's fleet plans, are they going to retire their 752 and their sole 763 and going for big airbuses, or what are they gonna do with their fleet.


Regards

Fly DC 10



vivan nuestras aerolineas nacionales
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Hi Alex, I think there is a thread on MX's flights to Ecuador in which the discussion has morphed into what MX's fleet plans are. Try looking there for answers. In any case, I recall reading that it seems that, unlike AM, MX was able to renegotiate the lease of the 752's so they may be staying a little longer. As for the 763ER, the lease of the same has a term of three years, but there are rumors that MX could maybe assign the lease to AM and instead get one A330 (probably a -200) for the flights to EZE. On the other hand, there is also a possibility that MX will receive two A321's in order to evaluate how well they perform from MEX and whether MX could use them in some routes that have a lot of demand. Finally, it looks pretty certain that MX will get more A320's (not sure if only A320's or a mix of A320's & A319's).

Cheers,


Eddie



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineFA4AM From Mexico, joined Nov 2004, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

If MX starts flights to DFW, will AM drop out? Having AA flights out of DFW and MX taking in, would it make sense to have AM on this route? Is this market big enough to accomodate these three carriers?

And has anyone heard anything about AM's plans on opening MEX-IAD?

Any comments would be appreciated.



User currently offlineAnthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

So far, the point is not dropping any international route at all. AM will keep DFW at the minimum.


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User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 488 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3321 times:
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Can't understand why AM and MX are ignoring Hispanic growth rates within the state. In the Triangle area the rates have skyrocketed during the last six years. AM could easily afford bringing in a 319 MEX-RDU and I am sure they would be very surprised how full the cabins were. MX could run a 752 RDU-CUN with the same results. RDU has far superior O&D traffic to CLT
























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User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

We were told MX will fly DFW-MLM and DFW-ZCS to start with, then maybe add a few more routes later on. MZT was another route being possible, plus supplementing AA on a few routes as well. They are suppose to use mostly Airbus's, with a few 757's thrown in.

User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Obviously MX has done their math on the DEMOGRAPHICS of Charlotte and sees that the Mexicans in Charlotte have money and are in positions of power (on the county commision and presidents of prominent companies in Charlotte) the same can't be said for the Triangle. There are Mexicans there...but a different demographic that is less likely to have the money to fly.

Plus Bank of America subsidizes the CLt-MEX flight.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Obviously MX has done their math on the DEMOGRAPHICS of Charlotte and sees that the Mexicans in Charlotte have money and are in positions of power (on the county commision and presidents of prominent companies in Charlotte) the same can't be said for the Triangle. There are Mexicans there...but a different demographic that is less likely to have the money to fly.

As you said, they have done their homework, which is why they will be operating CLT-GDL, aimed at immigrant workers (and believe it or not, they can afford to fly, and make MX flights like PDX-GDL and SMF-GDL succsessful) many of who work on tobacco plantations in North Carolina, rather than CLT-MEX, which does have some business traffic, but with one daily US Airways flight, is well served.



a.
User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

If in your opinion the CLT-GDL service is for immigrant workers on tobacco plantations...then why not do RDU-GDL service instead....considering RDU is much closer to the tobacco plantations than CLT is.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6762 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

RDU-anywhere Mexico would be purely O&D. RDU does have the luxury of having leisure and business traffic. Whether the demand for any Mexican flights on a Mexican airline is there or not has yet to be seen. I believe that when the time is ready, RDU will have it's increased international service. If not AM or MX, then perhaps one of the twleve hunderd new startup airlines in Mexico. I would definitely look forward to RDU being on someone's radar. It's not a question of if, but of when. Until then.. a connecting we will go!


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

"And has anyone heard anything about AM's plans on opening MEX-IAD? "

I take the UA IAD-MEX flight about once a month and it is almost always full. Becasue the fares were around $1200 rt in y class last month I ended up taking DL/AM DCA-ATL-MEX and I have to say I have never had better international service than I had on the AM flight, it was cheaper and far better than UA.

I asked an AM ticket agent and fa about any plans on direct service to DC and they both responded that all DC service will continue to be handeled by their Sky Team partners. What a shame :-(

Would MX ever consider flying direct to IAD or BWI?

A bigger question is how much room does MEX have for movement growth? It seems fairly congested already. Will MX and AM have to turn to less frequencies and larger AC in the near future?



"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

If in your opinion the CLT-GDL service is for immigrant workers on tobacco plantations...

Not an opinion, it's pretty much a fact. That is why they are starting this route. That's why they started GDL-PDX/SMF, for the large Mexican immigrant commuities in the area, mainly working in agricultural areas. There is no high-yielding business traffic to speak of between Charlotte and Guadalajara. There is barely any between Charlotte and Mexico City.

then why not do RDU-GDL service instead....considering RDU is much closer to the tobacco plantations than CLT is.

Charlotte offers more interlining connections, Charlotte is probably a larger market to Mexico, and no matter where those tobacco plantations happen to be, those tobacco workers will get their way to Charlotte.



a.
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

At last it seems as the "giant is waking up" (CINTRA of course).

Hey! I also liked that phrase! Despite we will have two different brands at least it finally seems we are going to have an international flag carrier with a very decent presence!

MX and AM are currently studying all possibilities of international expansion and at the same time are reducing market share in certain domestic airports. Looks like finally they'll work as a real holding and being also a little more aggressive!


If MX starts flights to DFW, will AM drop out? Having AA flights out of DFW and MX taking in, would it make sense to have AM on this route? Is this market big enough to accomodate these three carriers?

Till now AM has been flying the route to DFW but AFAIK as soon as MX enters DFW from MLM, ZCL, BJX, CUN, GDL and MEX, AeroMexico will leave DFW. MX is mainly staying in America (Canada, States, Central and Caribbean, North of S.A. and hopefully ASIA), AM is getting the 'best' and long haul routes within the continent (South of S.A) and overseas (Europe).


And has anyone heard anything about AM's plans on opening MEX-IAD?

AFAIK, MX will also be the assigned airline to fly this route.


I take the UA IAD-MEX flight about once a month and it is almost always full. Because the fares were around $1200 rt in y class last month I ended up taking DL/AM DCA-ATL-MEX and I have to say I have never had better international service than I had on the AM flight, it was cheaper and far better than UA.

I'm glad to hear this NUAir! If you every try MX you won't regret! They have a very similar service compared to AM and sometimes it's even better!

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Ricardo,

Thanks for the info and I will pray for a direct MX flight.

Do you know anything about capacity restrictions at MEX and its ability to handle more flights?

I was in Texcoco during the whole protest over the new airport and the gov't did such a poor job of planning and public relations that it really didnt surprise me that they didnt go through with it. While it looks like a lot is going on at MEX it doens't seem like they have a lot of room to expand (since filling in the garbage dump and sewage treatment to the East probably still couldnt support the weight of a new runway). It simply amazes me that a city as large as Mexico can make it with one airport.




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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Do you know anything about capacity restrictions at MEX and its ability to handle more flights?

According to non-official stats last year MEX airport reports over 22.5 million pax. AFAIK, MEX can handle 25M pax in the current terminal.

This year the construction of the new terminal, T2 on the East side will start. This new building will have 26 contact positions and 12 more non-contact positions for a total of 38.

MEX airport currently has 60 positions in which only around 40-45 are contact positions the rest are served with buses (mainly used for domestic flights also). I don't know exactly how many new positions MEX will later have but I estimate something around 90. With this, MEX airport will be able to handle around 35M pax a year. More over, some routes and flights will be decentralized and sent to other airports around, TLC (Toluca), QET (new Querétaro airport, second biggest airport in the country), PBC (Puebla), CVJ (Cuernavaca). SCT forecasts to move 50M pax by 2010 in the 5 airports above mentioned including commercial and biz flights.

That's what's going to happen in the near future! We need a new airport but we also need to decentralize some operations. Over 35% of the pax who fly to MEX fly to other cities. This is, we need to move more operations to GDL or MTY or airlines need to start more direct flights between other mexican cities.

MEX still has a lot of free slots, you might want to check them out here:

http://www.aicm.com.mx/Principal/Corporativo/Slots/Invierno/2004/SlotsInvierno.htm

Even at peak hours, MEX still has slots to offer. Maxium number is 60.


Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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