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Bring Back BA World Tails...on Engines!?  
User currently offlineIntheknow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5532 times:

Hi All

I really admired BA with the world image tails. I can see the mistake of not having the union flag on the tail so why didn't they transfer the images to the engines rather than scrap them altogether?

Then everyone is happy, flag on tail where it belongs and world image on engines where it is visible to those inside the aircraft as well.

Just a thought. Bring them back. They were a bold idea and made aircraft more interesting to look at.

Could some of you wizard artists have a go at producing an image of this?

Many thanks

ITK

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User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

Oh come on. Even I know that engine changes are a fact of life. The jets would end up flying around with all sorts of different designs under each wing and look even more disorganised that the different tails shambles.

What are you going to do. while they fly overhead. Stick your head under the wing to admire them, or use binoculars?


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Actually Antares, you only change the engine, and not the cowling so the design wouldn't get muddled up. However, as a BA employee, I actually think the tails were crap and should be got rid of at the earliest opportunity. We are an airline, not an Art Museum. Yeah sure


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User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Thanks Skidmarks.

I suppose that you must very occasionally change cowlings too, when they get run into by hail, gravel or ramp vehicles (no doubt rarely) but presumably much less so than changing the actual engine.

I recall being told that the tails of the world notion was also discovered to be bad for the sense of 'brand' that was BA. There are few stronger brand images than the Union Jack, so in that sense BA is back on track with an identity that says BRITISH! And good on them.


User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Although some of the designs were attractive I agree that they were completely inappropriate to go on the tails of British Airways aircraft. Britain's flag carrier should have some version of the union flag on the tail.

I do like the more subtle use of some of the artwork which can still be seen in various parts of the airline today; such as on name badges, ticket wallets, baggage tags, seat covers etc. Makes a nice change from plain dark blue!

It seems that all traces of the world images will disappear from BA eventually and I doubt they will be brought back in any form. Personally I'd like to see them stay in the situations mentioned above and also added to those dull white winglets on the 747-436 fleet.


User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

Please.....Those world tales were awful! o.k so BA was supposedly the worlds favorite airline but to get rid of our British Identity....NO WAY... I agree with some posts that the old scheme was a little dull and out dated (made the 747 look dirty and old) I much prefer the new design.


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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5297 times:
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Iregardless if whether you agree with a world look for a world airline one reality much decide any cowling paint.

If an engine developes a fuel/oil/hydro leak inside that cowling many times the first way to spot it is a blemish on a solid painted surface. Complicated designs could possibly hide a needed clue to a mechanical problem.



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User currently offlineIntheknow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

So that'll be a "no" then  Big grin

User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5225 times:


BA has never had a decent livery, although the current stylised union flag on the fin is reasonably okay---it looked best on Concorde, for which it was originally designed.

The most frightful part of the today's livery is that awful "ribbon" logo. It looks like a piece of toilet paper caught around a car radio aerial. If it's symbolic of anything, it beats me what that might be. So much for a "British image"...





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User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

Those world tails at least looked interesting. I'm starting to get tired of this new version of the Union Jack on the tail, looks so much less exciting. Getting tired of seen this livery already (and I don't even see it as much as you guys in the UK)

They diminished the blue area as compared to the Landor colors, and that makes their current livery even more boring now that the world tails are gone.


User currently offlineReady4pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

The most frightful part of the today's livery is that awful "ribbon" logo. It looks like a piece of toilet paper caught around a car radio aerial. If it's symbolic of anything, it beats me what that might be.

It's called the "Speed Tick", isn't it? At least that's what my cabin-crew friend says it's called. I like it anyway - beats having just a design on the tail, and the name printed, like most airlines. Personally, I really liked the world tails, but I love the Union Flag tail. The old grey livery was awful.


User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Actually going back in some way to the 'retro' Speedbird symbol of BOAC times might work. And I'm not referring to the service standards of the old BOAC, be assured from vivid personal recollection, that won't work!

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

It's called the "Speed Tick", isn't it? At least that's what my cabin-crew friend says it's called.

I believe the official name is Speedmarque. I think it looks stylish and has now become part of a strong brand, though what it represents is not entirely clear to most people. It is an adaptation of the red dash Speedwing logo from the Landor livery, which itself is an adaptation of of the BOAC Speedbird logo.


User currently offline9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Isn't the wavy thing called a "Speed-marque"?

9V-SPJ


User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

I thought the world tail logos were cool. Maybe a little "ahead" of their time, for some folk.

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

I wouldn't have minded if they had kept the world tails to British themes based on designs representing England,Scotland, Wales and Ulster but to have Poland and Saudi Arabia and other themes on British aircraft was pushing the patience of the British public and no doubt confused a lot of travellers.

The new livery should have been an adaptation of the landor livery not the freak show we were given.

Just my crazy thoughts. Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

Isn't the wavy thing called a "Speed-marque"?

Close. It's called a "Speedmarque"  Big grin



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4967 times:
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Just my crazy thoughts

Actually they are good thoughts, i was thinking the same. Instead of the world tails, BA could have painted their aircrafts tails in the colours of all the four home nations flags. English St Georges Cross, Scottish saltire, Welsh dragon and the Northern Ireland emblem, that would have pleased the entire UK public. That would have been a far more 'British' thing to do than painting the tails with ugly graffiti.




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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Personally, I think they should have stuck with the "interim" colour scheme - the combination of the Landor scheme but in the current colours with the speedmarque.

just my £0.02

 Smile



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

Ok I understand that the World tails were kind of bad for branding but they could have kept Chelsea Rose it is english and it look damn good. I find that I like the landor livery over this one although this one isnt bad.


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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

ITK,

I read your post and thought "yeah right, that would look just plain ugly"... Then I had some spare time and did the following work in Photoshop/CorelDraw (all MY artwork please no one copy!!!). And I thought... Mmm, maybe it isn't such a bad idea after all. But I doubt very much BA would ever bring these images back in any shape or forms...

enjoy anyway:







User currently offlineZander From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 610 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

BA could have moved the world tail motives to the rear fuselage instead,
there is just white anyways.
It doesn't had to be like a square paintings, more like graffiti or something like that (like the Andalucia stickers of Air Europa).
That would be a better solution in my opinion.


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

AlanUK: superb job. They should do it. What a lovely sight that would be set against the white of Siberia or Canada.

User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

AlanUK

what a trouper. Great effort.



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

The world tails were attrocious


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 Gofly : AlanUK, great effort. However they do look absolutely hideous!
26 Intheknow : AlanUK Now thats what I'm talking about, looks great! ITK
27 Prat_eegle : I think this is a great and brilliant idea, because I adored and admired the concept of the world tails and the universality of air travel, of culture
28 Post contains images Planesarecool : I didn't wanna start a new topic, but does anybody know if the British Airways busses will be repainted, as when i go past say T4 or T1 at Heathrow so
29 Post contains images Prat_eegle : Maybe as soon as BA withdraws (if it does) any reference to the world tails, Richard Branson may decide to adapt the idea.
30 Post contains images AlanUK : Thanks for the compliments guys... Took me a good 3 hours to do it! Planesarecool: I believe the buses will be repainted to a plain white top, as the
31 VScaptain : I think that's a great idea!! I would love to see that happen. Its better than BAs blue engines. There disgusting.
32 Post contains images AlanUK : What's disgusting about navy blue engine I don't know? What I do know is that VS are not quite desperate enough to recruit 13-15 year old Captains!!!
33 Post contains images Intheknow : VSCaptain, Welcome to A.net. Where free speech is not always appreciated it would seem! AlanUK, Shame on you, bless him Cheers ITK
34 RedDragon : I agree with Babybus, Arsenal@LHR et al further up the page in wishing BA had used four designs representing the four UK regions, rather than all the
35 AlanUK : No offence was meant. I just can't see how someone can say a blue engine is disgusting when BA, UA and so many other carrier use it! VSCaptain, Welcom
36 Sevenair : British airways should ONLY display anything British, it is a British airline, and it should display, if anything other than the current c/s,things as
37 BRUspotter : AlanUK; I am very surprised that nobody has complained that you put too many engines on that plane!
38 Feroze : I thought that the A380 had four engines...
39 Post contains images Shamrock_747 : Great artwork there Alan. Interesting to see how the Utopia designs look on engine cowlings. Just a shame you painted the underside a disgusting dark
40 Jonty : I love the new BA livery, its modern and way better than the dreary old landor livery! But I reckon that the world tails were one of those moves towar
41 Post contains images Argonaut : "British airways should ONLY display anything British, it is a British airline, and it should display, if anything other than the current c/s,things a
42 Srbrenna : What's with all this "we must have the Union Flag on the tail of BA's planes"? Of the 3 liveries that BA have had since the 70s, only the Utopia desig
43 Miamix707 : The only bad thing about the Landor livery was that awful gray I guess so it could blend in with the cloudy skies.. I don't know. IMO the SppeedMarque
44 Cedarjet : AlanUK: awesome job, I am standing on my chair applauding. You say that UA, BA etc can't be wrong about having blue engines. Dude, you obviously haven
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