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UAL "Channel 9" Not All The Time?  
User currently offlineManta From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Greetings,

I've noticed on a few recent UAL flights out of ORD, channel 9 has either been music or not available at all - just silence.

On one particular flight I asked one of the F/A's if they could find out why Ch.9 wasn't operating. She returned and said the pilot can't turn it on.

I was wondering if that is normal practice on UAL. Is Ch.9 supposed to be ATC all the time, or do some pilots just not want you listening to their conversations with ATC?

It seems like a gamble every time I fly. I quickly check to see if Ch.9 is operational, and then once it is, I can sit back and enjoy the flight.

I'm just curious why Ch.9 isn't just set to ATC all the time and locked.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,

--Scott


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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2016 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5691 times:
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Channel 9 has always been "at the pilot's discretion". It has been available on most flights I've taken, and I travel UA quite often. There was one flight from CDG to SFO where Channel nine was switched to Jazz selections midway through the flight (offered in the inflight magazine as an alternate choice on Channel 9). Some Jazz fanatic must have begged the captain to switch.




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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Channel 9 is available on the captain's discretion. Most flights have it, and many pilots will come on the PA and tell you that it is activated and tell you the flight number, or explain it in some way. It is a fun thing to have, but it is not a guarantee.

There are obvious reasons why Ch. 9 shouldn't be available on all flights. For instance on 9/11, it was inappropriate for passengers to be listening to ATC and all the issues happening. It is a nice feature to have, but sometimes pilots feel that they don't want it activated, sometimes it is inappropriate, and finally it doesn't work all the time along with many IFE systems.



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User currently offlineRyanL1011 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

I had the chance to listen to "From the cockpit" on United back in the early 90s on a DC-10 flight from DEN to LAX on United, I LOVED it! I wish every aircraft out there had that capability.

User currently offlineKaputt From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

A few years back i had the opportunity to get into a united 737 cockpit before the flight. and the pilot has the option to turn on the "channel 9" if he wants to.


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User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

As others have said, it's "at captain's discretion" It's probably been turned on for about 80-90% of my UA flights over the years. It's a great feature, and something nice that does set UAL apart from the IFE of other airlines. I haven't come across many pilots that actively don't want it on. If its not on it usually seems to be a case of either being broken, or they forgot to flip the switch up in the cockpit.
To ensure the maximum possibility of having Channel 9 on, if I see a pilot before the flight I'll try and mention something like "will channel 9 be availalbe today for the flight?"...I've never been turned down yet. After flights when channel 9 was on I'll make it a point to say thank you for having it on and how much it improves the flight experience for me. I just like to make sure the pilots know that channel 9 is desired and appreciated by the pax.


User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

On a flight from SIN-HKG in 2003, the pilot and ATC in Hong Kong were having problems. ATC was routing the a/c direct to a specific 5-letter intersection, but the pilot could understand which it was. After four attempts (with ATC getting angrier and angrier) this led to a phonetic spelling of said intersection and the a/c changed heading. At this point, Ch 9 was switched off....

Feroze


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5549 times:

I have experienced very few domestic flights without Ch. 9. Some int'l flights don't have Channel 9 turned on, particularly the 744s.
Yesterday, I flew from ORD-KIX and the captain had Ch. 9 on all the way. It was only the second time I flew through Russian airspace and the UA pilots had a difficult time picking up the Russian ATC's English. One of the transiting traffic had to relay some of the instructions. Not sure if it wasn't loud enough or just plain incomprehensible English, but I seemed to be able to understand it.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

I've only flown on IFE-equipped UA aircraft twice as far as I can remember...Both were earlier this year. The T7 LAX-ORD it was just silence, the 744 ORD-LAX was silence. I pulled out the mag and noticed the "captains discretion" note so I flagged down a FA (I think it was before we even pushed) and stated to ask her "Do you know..." and she interrupted "No, we've already talked to the captain. He's not going to turn on Channel 9 for this flight" -- It implies she gets that question often  Smile

A bit of a bummer, to say the least. Though that was probably the best in flight service I've ever received in Y... and it came close to what I remember from F on NW (the (great) snack box was nothing by comparison, but the beverage service was...)

I was on an AS flight (either a 73x or a 75x, I'm pretty sure it was PDX-ONT) several years back and found the AS equivalent of Channel 9... (maybe it was EX-UA? They certainly didn't say anything about it). Very cool -- I've hoped to 'stomble' across it on every flight since.

Lincoln
[If UA actually flew where I wanted to go I probably would change preferred airlines. Alas, there is but one way in and out of PLN.]



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User currently offlineErj145lr From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

is there like a single switch in the cockpit that turns on and off ch.9??

User currently offlineBIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

I know a lot of people that get nervous when they shut that off LOL


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User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

is there like a single switch in the cockpit that turns on and off ch.9??
Yep it looks like that is the case
"In the cockpit, somebody has to switch on the "observer's audio" switch, then turn up the volume on the 1st observer's audio select panel."
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/374/


User currently offlineCaptainTim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

It isn't on all the time, it has ahppened to me on many occasions and now befroe every flight, i head up to the cockpit and take a few pictures and ask if CH. 9 could be turned on.

the captain flips a switch and turns a dial clockwise to full

this is found in the radio section of the cockpit right under the dial that changes the frequency of the radio.

and yes.. on some rare occasions.. its very stupid jazz music or jsut plain silence.~~ its a pain when its off...



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User currently offlineNisson From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

has any other airline ever offer this service (in the past)???????????????

User currently offlineUCLAX From United States of America, joined May 2003, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

AA had it until the late 80s on their 767s and DC10s, along with flight deck video cameras connected to cabin screens turned on for takeoff and landing on their DC10s.


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User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5198 times:
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I've heard ATC communications on another airline when I was younger, can't quite remember.

Some of my previous UA flights had Channel 9 switched off, was quite a bummer.


User currently offlineN229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

There was one flight from CDG to SFO where Channel nine was switched to Jazz selections midway through the flight

Hmmm, if that were me at that point (esp. if the captain says "Oh shit!" before he/she suddenly switches it to jazz), that's when I start to see my life flash before my eyes...  Wink/being sarcastic

For real, I'm flying United in a few days. Looking forward to channel 9...



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User currently offlineFrndlySkys777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

Ah Channel 9, one of the biggest surprises and most rewarding experience of my first United flights. The experience only gets better when you can see other traffic! Anyway, it should also be noted that sometimes there is no traffic. I remember on a recent LAX-HNL flight there were only occasional callings on Channel 9 over the Pacific but once you're in touch with Honolulu Center you hear all kinds of calls.

User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

I've listened to channel 9 before, and that's one reason why I try to fly UA. I enjoy hearing "United xxx, turn right and maintain heading 190" and then immediately thereafter feel the airplane turning right.


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User currently offlineOrdinduaflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

I'm a Ch9 junkie... In 2004 I'd guess that about 90%+ of my mainline flights had Ch9 turned on. I've asked a few times when it wasn't on, and the answer was (from the FA) typically that 'this captain never turns it on' or something along those lines of the captain choosing not to turn it on. I've also heard a couple times that the FAs don't like it when the pax are more "up to date" on flight stats (delays, etc) than they are because of Ch9...I've not thought to ask any of the FAs I know about it, so I'm not sure how accurate that is. Also...with a transatlantic flight, sometimes they'll turn it to the jazz in the middle of the ocean when ATC slows down and then forget to turn it back.

User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

I love Channel 9. We had it on ORD-KIX and it is an interesting route to listen in on since you go through Russian airspace. I spent most of the flight listening to Channel 9 and watching the moving map. However, on the return, KIX-ORD, they had it off.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Channel 9 is enough of a reason to fly United for me. Now that I have enough OnePass miles I can start flying other carriers again--UA has always been a choice of mine. Too bad no other USD carriers offer the service.


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User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

BH346,

Who had it off? Channel 9 and the moving map?

Sorry, one-track mind!

Feroze


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5308 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

IIRC, AA started to disable the cockpit cameras on the DC-10s after the ORD crash in 1979.

A friend of mine who flies for AA said that the ATC channel was removed after the air phones were installed. The belief was that people might misinterpret radio transmissions, whether for that flight or others, and then start calling loved ones, the media, or in the case of delays, AA management or the FAA.

The pilots also have a switch to disable the air phones on the widebody fleet.


User currently offlineORDZW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

I agree with FrndlySkys777 - There are some times when there really isn't much going on, particularly over an ocean. My favorite time to listen is taxiing for takeoff and the approach for landing. This is especially interesting when approaching ORD, since it is non-stop communication - It really makes you realize how busy Chicago airspace is! On longer flights, such as LAX-ORD, I will listen to Channel 9 on while on the ground until we are transferred to the center, then watch the movie, then tune back for Chicago approach.

Now if only UAX could be equipped with this capability...



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25 BH346 : Feroze: on the return flight, only Channel 9 was disabled. As far as I know, the moving map is always available. Sorry for the confusion.
26 Nucsh : I have never been on a flight where I could listen to ATC, and I fly at least 3 times a year. Mainly on USAirways, sometimes on Delta. Do they normall
27 DesertJets : Ch.9 is interesting, but can be downright boring while en-route. You may have to wait at least 30 seconds until you have any transmission. During crui
28 Feroze : BH346, No confusion. Apologies for my Brit humour... Feroze
29 PresRDC : I know for a fact that AA had both the "From the Flight Deck" audio on the DC-10s and 767-200s and the cockpitt cams on the DC-10s as late as the summ
30 ORDflyer : I have never been on a flight where I could listen to ATC, and I fly at least 3 times a year. Mainly on USAirways, sometimes on Delta. Do they normall
31 Frequentflyer5 : I recently flew UA 881 ORD to NRT and 882 NRT to ORD. Both ways with no ch 9. I asked the FA's if they would ask the captain to turn it on but nothing
32 Post contains images FriendlySkies : Ah Channel 9, one of the biggest surprises and most rewarding experience of my first United flights. The experience only gets better when you can see
33 Flyorski : About a year ago I flew UAL from SJO-GUA and then to LAX. From SJO to GUA the captain did not turn on channel 9. Then, when we crossed the U.S. border
34 PA110 : Most captains elect to turn it on. On transatlantic flights, you get to hear the transatlantic crossing instructions being given for the period the ai
35 Post contains links Venuscat2 : How come UA doesn't have "From the Flight Deck" on the 737, 757, or 767? http://www.discmarketing.com/UA/249/channel_grid.html
36 PA110 : Venuscat2, I wouldn't go by that reference. I've listened to Ch9 on all aircraft types including 737, 757 and 767.
37 Sfo212 : I really enjoy listening to Channel 9. I have mainly listened to it on the SFO-HNL route. Once the aircraft gets out of radar range, they communicate
38 Post contains images N243NW : Hi all- On my only flight with UA (last April, ORD-SAT-ORD on the 737), I visited the cockpit before departure from ORD and chatted with the captain f
39 Post contains images 3201 : Any of you guys ever hear commercial radio on Channel 9? I got it tonight, for the second time (I think the other time was about a year ago)... starti
40 Mcg : Sometimes UA tunes channel to am radio so that football games can be listened to. I suspect the channel 9 on your aircraft was tuned to radio station
41 Skymonster : Last time I flew UA, the captain in his pre-departure announcement said "...and if there's anything we can do to make your trip more pleasant..." And
42 Flybyguy : I don't see what pilots are so jumpy about... someone's going to hold up the plane with a plastic fork? After all the scrutiny a person gets going thr
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