PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6172 times:
Channel 9 has always been "at the pilot's discretion". It has been available on most flights I've taken, and I travel UA quite often. There was one flight from CDG to SFO where Channel nine was switched to Jazz selections midway through the flight (offered in the inflight magazine as an alternate choice on Channel 9). Some Jazz fanatic must have begged the captain to switch.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10563 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6168 times:
Channel 9 is available on the captain's discretion. Most flights have it, and many pilots will come on the PA and tell you that it is activated and tell you the flight number, or explain it in some way. It is a fun thing to have, but it is not a guarantee.
There are obvious reasons why Ch. 9 shouldn't be available on all flights. For instance on 9/11, it was inappropriate for passengers to be listening to ATC and all the issues happening. It is a nice feature to have, but sometimes pilots feel that they don't want it activated, sometimes it is inappropriate, and finally it doesn't work all the time along with many IFE systems.
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ORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6069 times:
As others have said, it's "at captain's discretion" It's probably been turned on for about 80-90% of my UA flights over the years. It's a great feature, and something nice that does set UAL apart from the IFE of other airlines. I haven't come across many pilots that actively don't want it on. If its not on it usually seems to be a case of either being broken, or they forgot to flip the switch up in the cockpit.
To ensure the maximum possibility of having Channel 9 on, if I see a pilot before the flight I'll try and mention something like "will channel 9 be availalbe today for the flight?"...I've never been turned down yet. After flights when channel 9 was on I'll make it a point to say thank you for having it on and how much it improves the flight experience for me. I just like to make sure the pilots know that channel 9 is desired and appreciated by the pax.
Feroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6055 times:
On a flight from SIN-HKG in 2003, the pilot and ATC in Hong Kong were having problems. ATC was routing the a/c direct to a specific 5-letter intersection, but the pilot could understand which it was. After four attempts (with ATC getting angrier and angrier) this led to a phonetic spelling of said intersection and the a/c changed heading. At this point, Ch 9 was switched off....
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6030 times:
I have experienced very few domestic flights without Ch. 9. Some int'l flights don't have Channel 9 turned on, particularly the 744s.
Yesterday, I flew from ORD-KIX and the captain had Ch. 9 on all the way. It was only the second time I flew through Russian airspace and the UA pilots had a difficult time picking up the Russian ATC's English. One of the transiting traffic had to relay some of the instructions. Not sure if it wasn't loud enough or just plain incomprehensible English, but I seemed to be able to understand it.
Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5988 times:
I've only flown on IFE-equipped UA aircraft twice as far as I can remember...Both were earlier this year. The T7 LAX-ORD it was just silence, the 744 ORD-LAX was silence. I pulled out the mag and noticed the "captains discretion" note so I flagged down a FA (I think it was before we even pushed) and stated to ask her "Do you know..." and she interrupted "No, we've already talked to the captain. He's not going to turn on Channel 9 for this flight" -- It implies she gets that question often
A bit of a bummer, to say the least. Though that was probably the best in flight service I've ever received in Y... and it came close to what I remember from F on NW (the (great) snack box was nothing by comparison, but the beverage service was...)
I was on an AS flight (either a 73x or a 75x, I'm pretty sure it was PDX-ONT) several years back and found the AS equivalent of Channel 9... (maybe it was EX-UA? They certainly didn't say anything about it). Very cool -- I've hoped to 'stomble' across it on every flight since.
[If UA actually flew where I wanted to go I probably would change preferred airlines. Alas, there is but one way in and out of PLN.]
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ORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5903 times:
is there like a single switch in the cockpit that turns on and off ch.9??
Yep it looks like that is the case
"In the cockpit, somebody has to switch on the "observer's audio" switch, then turn up the volume on the 1st observer's audio select panel." http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/374/
FrndlySkys777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5621 times:
Ah Channel 9, one of the biggest surprises and most rewarding experience of my first United flights. The experience only gets better when you can see other traffic! Anyway, it should also be noted that sometimes there is no traffic. I remember on a recent LAX-HNL flight there were only occasional callings on Channel 9 over the Pacific but once you're in touch with Honolulu Center you hear all kinds of calls.
QuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5475 times:
I've listened to channel 9 before, and that's one reason why I try to fly UA. I enjoy hearing "United xxx, turn right and maintain heading 190" and then immediately thereafter feel the airplane turning right.
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Ordinduaflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5414 times:
I'm a Ch9 junkie... In 2004 I'd guess that about 90%+ of my mainline flights had Ch9 turned on. I've asked a few times when it wasn't on, and the answer was (from the FA) typically that 'this captain never turns it on' or something along those lines of the captain choosing not to turn it on. I've also heard a couple times that the FAs don't like it when the pax are more "up to date" on flight stats (delays, etc) than they are because of Ch9...I've not thought to ask any of the FAs I know about it, so I'm not sure how accurate that is. Also...with a transatlantic flight, sometimes they'll turn it to the jazz in the middle of the ocean when ATC slows down and then forget to turn it back.
BH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5378 times:
I love Channel 9. We had it on ORD-KIX and it is an interesting route to listen in on since you go through Russian airspace. I spent most of the flight listening to Channel 9 and watching the moving map. However, on the return, KIX-ORD, they had it off.
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Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5349 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5353 times:
Channel 9 is enough of a reason to fly United for me. Now that I have enough OnePass miles I can start flying other carriers again--UA has always been a choice of mine. Too bad no other USD carriers offer the service.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5295 times:
IIRC, AA started to disable the cockpit cameras on the DC-10s after the ORD crash in 1979.
A friend of mine who flies for AA said that the ATC channel was removed after the air phones were installed. The belief was that people might misinterpret radio transmissions, whether for that flight or others, and then start calling loved ones, the media, or in the case of delays, AA management or the FAA.
The pilots also have a switch to disable the air phones on the widebody fleet.
ORDZW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5093 times:
I agree with FrndlySkys777 - There are some times when there really isn't much going on, particularly over an ocean. My favorite time to listen is taxiing for takeoff and the approach for landing. This is especially interesting when approaching ORD, since it is non-stop communication - It really makes you realize how busy Chicago airspace is! On longer flights, such as LAX-ORD, I will listen to Channel 9 on while on the ground until we are transferred to the center, then watch the movie, then tune back for Chicago approach.
Now if only UAX could be equipped with this capability...