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I Heard An AA Rumor  
User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

On December 31, I was at the gate at MIA boarding a flight to SFO on my return from LIM. I asked the gate agent if the flight was full since I had requested an upgrade, which I did not get because I needed 4 spaces and they only had 2 available. So I asked how full the flight is and she responded that it was totally full. So I made some smart comment about how AA must be making money since the flights seem to be full. She responded that (I am paraphrasing) "I guess we are still losing money and we are going to have layoffs again in mid January". I didn't ask any more since it was time to board the flight and I like to get in early since we travel with small children.
So, I am repeating the words told to me by a gate agent at MIA. I assume she heard it from within the company. I am curious to know if there are going to be further layoffs.
Does anyone have any concrete information regarding this?
Thanks,
FLY2LIM


Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9988 times:

Rumor is AA is preparing to screw the remaining TWA folks. In COS they are laying off 4, and yes, they are the TWA folks. Over at UAL we have had relations with TWA folks for decades, so to say the least we help each other out. They told us AA is preparing to screw them. Good luck TWA folks.

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9948 times:

Check out:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1890691/


User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Yes, there are more layoffs coming. AMR has said it will launch a new round of efforts, including layoffs and a reduction in its fleet of airplanes, to cut costs and boost revenue. The maintenance and engineering departments plan to cut 1,000 employees early this year. Management is taking an 8% reduction in workforce and the APA announced another round of about 100 pilot layoffs.

Preceed your weblink the 'less than' symbol "<" and end it with the 'greater than' symbol ">" and your link will become clickable.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1890691


User currently offlineRipcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

AA is not going to screw the TWA/AA employees they wouldn't have a job if it were not for AA TWA would have been liquidated if it were not for AA. Also as of right now they at least have a pension it may not be huge but they have one. If AA did not buy TWA they wouldn't have one look it at that way. It is sad that so many employees of airlines are getting laid off but its a reality we live in. My only question is why did it take the airlines to lose billions to figure out how to save billions in cost cutting measures ( And I mean without cutting wages.) Were would most airlines be today if they were able to save a billion a year when they were making a billion a year image the condition were they would be today.

User currently offlineBistro1200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

I can substantiate this rumor from a friend who is a AA flight attendant. Same stuff as you heard, cuts and layoffs. Billed as a "big" announcement, so maybe more?


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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9581 times:

Thanks for all the responses. I am glad that I wasn't just spreading false rumors. And I am very sad that anyone, whatever the airline, is getting screwed.
I am sorry I did not know about the other thread. I thought I was getting some "fresh" rumor. I should know that the a.nutters are on top of anything airline related.  Smile
FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9539 times:

Although no airline job is completely safe, AMR employees may be more secure at American Eagle as opposed to mainline American Airlines. I've worked at both (currently with American Eagle) and I don't feel the axe sitting in the corner like I did at American Airlines. Who knows, I could be wrong...and find myself in the unemployment line tomorrow...but somehow I don't think so. Good luck to all of my fellow American Airlines and American Eagle employees. And for that matter, good luck to everyone in the industry.

Regards,
AAgent



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User currently offlineQantasheavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9522 times:

I heard that more "furloughing" was coming from a mate who's a 75/767 captain with AA. Too bad, really.

It is odd, but AA does seem to be filling planes and still losing money. The pilots there say it is due to underpricing the tickets. I am afraid American is trying to compete with Southwest, which it can't do. American should try to differentiate itself and focus on customer service -- not compete against the LCCs. In the Crandall days, they could steam-roll a competitor, but Southwest is too big. Southwest has a great model, but American is not strucutred to be like Southwest and can't compete on costs. They should exploit Southwest's gaps -- such as premium, long-haul and more ammenity-based services.

I hope AA management gets it right, or a lot of good people will lose their jobs (same for any airline... or company).


User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9422 times:

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I AM SO SICK OF THIS AA SCREWED TWA SH*T!!!!! TWA was a B R O K E airline with NO MONEY! They had what $150 Million in the bank upon take over??? That would last what a few more months? AA should of never bought TWA. THEY WOULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION had they not and not a few thousand but ALL the TWA employees would a GONE WITH THE WIND!

AA employees got screwed not TWA. People that were flying for AA got stuck under TWA people and are also furloughed. They chose to fly for TWA! They had no rights for a seniority list merger because there was no god damn merger it was a buy out!! TAKE OVER! As long as their recalls rights don't expire they can all be recalled. So if they want to wait and see or go back they still have a job at AA. Until then stop the crying if AA didn't make the dumb decision to buy TWA none of them would have jobs and they could of moved into STL free and easy.

Oh and those being furloughed.... They are to start with pilots. I heard around 300+.



"TWA... One Mission, Yours."
User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9349 times:

Annoyedfa...calm down. You really must be annoyed!

I have a neighbor who used to be a TWA FA based out of STL for a good twenty years. After AA bought the company, she was 'demoted' to a lower senority and then furloughed after 9/11. Very sad. She loved her job a lot.



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User currently offlineBustraveler From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

What kills me is that besides labor, fuel is the largest cost for an airline. Yet when oil rises from $10 per barrel to $50, people scream if the airlines raise fares $10 bucks per way. Fuel costs are definately a large, yet not the largest, factor in airlines' continued problems.

User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

And the number 1 FA for TWA was with the company for 55 years.... and she is now furloughed..... What can you do? I am just sick of blame being places on AA. Atleast she is on furloughed and still has recall rights.


"TWA... One Mission, Yours."
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9154 times:

UAL777contrail:

Do you have anything to back up your claims? Since your animosity torwards AA is well known I suspect you might be speaking of something which you know nothing about. By the way we just had another round of layoffs here on the M&E side. Most of those affected are AA, not ex-TWA.

Another thing, before you get on your soap box about how AA "plays hard ball" with the competition and "screws" employees I take it that UAL has NEVER played hard ball and has NEVER screwed anyone.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Annoyedfa:

Actually I think they had around $36 million in cash at the time of their third chapter 11 filling. Not much for a major airline.


User currently offlineRemymartin11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 68 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

I fly to LIM quite often. I was amazed at how many AA staff get upgraded at the gate while the full fare pax, like me, watch in disgust. I now only fly Lan Chile - Airbus equipment and much better service (and no flight attendant party in first). AA and the demise of service led by Dan Garton.....Mediocrity is the level of acceptance with AA.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

Yes, 36 million sounds like the number at the end of days.
Also heard they were burning through over a ONE MILLION USD per day!

TWA sadly would have never made it through the latest fuel price increases.
So one does wonder, if the ex-TWA employees are better or worse off?
In the end, it all depends entirely on who you ask.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

Annoyedfa:

I agree with you that but for AA, TWA would have been liquidated, and all of its employees would have been lookig for new jobs.

But at the time that Carty announced the takeover, it made a lot of sense. First, the summer of 2000 was terrible at ORD. All summer, there were severe weather watches and warnings for the Chicago area. It seems that 4 nights out of 7, the airport was setting up cots in the baggage claims of Terminals 1 and 3. Add to the problem that UA's pilots weren't working overtime, which meant a lot of people being sent over to AA due to cancelled flights and missed connections.

So, AA having a 3rd mid-continent hub at STL made sense. STL and ORD are seldom hit by severe thunderstorms at the same time.

In addition, if the UA/US merger had gone through, AA would have swapped the TW 757s for US's 757s. That would have improved operations a lot.

The purchase made a lot of sense until September 11th.

Qantasheavy:

I agree with you. Certainly, AA needs to reduce its costs. Every legacy carrier needs to make cuts. But AA can't match Southwest's fares, unless it completely adopts the Southwest style of operation. AA management needs to understand that it has to do 2 things.

First, adopt a fare plan that is similar to Delta's. The gripe about the legacy carriers is that they charge way too much for the traveler that must book at the last minute.

Second, also understand that as a premium carrier, AA can charge a reasonable premium for premium service. That means pillows on the MD-80s, using planes with built-in and free IFE on long-haul routes, free meals in coach on flights over 1:45 in length, etc.

If a business cheapens its product too much, then the loyal customers will either find a better product or a similar product that costs even less. Marshall Field's learned that buy selling less expensive goods, the well-heeled customers left for Nieman Marcus and Nordstrom's, and the bargain hunters found the same goods for lower prices at Kohl's.



User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

I fly to LIM quite often. I was amazed at how many AA staff get upgraded at the gate while the full fare pax, like me, watch in disgust. I now only fly Lan Chile - Airbus equipment and much better service (and no flight attendant party in first). AA and the demise of service led by Dan Garton.....Mediocrity is the level of acceptance with AA.

Remymartin11:
I am not AA crew but I know one and I believe that you are only partly right. AA crew fly only if there are open seats. If the flight is full, they are S.O.L., and many are flying back to their job the next day or, maybe, that day. I also believe that they can pay (a minimal fee) to upgrade, or they reserve a "non rev" place on C class over Y. From what I understand, they never fly over a full fare pax. As far as whether or not you deserve the upgrade over them, that's another question.
I do disagree with the "mediocrity" comment. Those f/as working the LIM flights are all LIM based and they bust their tails. Have someone explain to you their work itineraries. They don't do any one day turnarounds. When you are flying to LIM with them, they are returning from a 7 or 9 day trip.
Any AA crew member please correct/rectify any information I presented.
As far as your Lan comments, I have no objection. I have not flown Lan but I do hear that their service is excellent. They don't, however, offer "all Airbus" equipment. They fly the 767 to both MIA and LAX from LIM.
FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineYhz78 From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

Apparantly RDU is now becoming an AE base, so all the AA employees have the choice of taking the chance on a transfer and hoping that there is a spot for them in another base or applying to AE for less wages and presumably lower benefits and pensions. Does anyone have any specifics on how many are going to be affected or if this is even all true?


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User currently offlineVScaptain From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7099 times:

When I was at MIA on the 2rd of Jan I was told by someone who works for AA that all the bags heading for an AA flight was put on the wrong flight. Luckily on the day of my flight which there was not a spare seat on the aircraft with 12 people on stand by. When I got to DFW my other AA flight was also full with 15 people on stand by.


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User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

I'm glad SO far everyone has seen my point. I am just tired of this AA screwed TWA stuff. It's simply not true. With only $36 million in the bank if anyone thinks they would be around today if not for AA they are dreaming and anyone not on furlough should be thanking AA. I agree that in 2000 it was a good idea for all but no one could of predicted 9/11 and fuel prices right now.

Remymartin11: I don't know where your information came from but if your not an agent you would have no idea who was an employee in first and who is a full fair passenger. Even if you are a full fair passenger but not a one world member you have no right being up in First or Business class unless you paid for it. AA'S non-revs pay some of the highest fees in the industry. So if they decided to pay for the upgrade good for them! Also at most companies any deadheading crew is upgraded after the elite members.



"TWA... One Mission, Yours."
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

Apparantly RDU is now becoming an AE base, so all the AA employees have the choice of taking the chance on a transfer and hoping that there is a spot for them in another base or applying to AE for less wages and presumably lower benefits and pensions. Does anyone have any specifics on how many are going to be affected or if this is even all true?

I heard that about RDU too. AE is "unofficially" building a maintenance hanger at RDU. Should be open early 2006, I do believe. There are currently 100 AA employees who are being transferred to AE. I think it is an even 1-for-1.. There will be ~40 AA employees left and about 300-400 AE employees perhaps?? That figure could be off, I'm not sure. I hope AE brings in some CR7 or some E170 (pilot union allowing). Would be cool..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineAaer 777 From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

Remymartin11:
Next time I'll raise my glass to you, through the curtains that seperate us...
If you are cheap, sit in the cheap seats, don't moan about it.



Which part of "NO" do you not understand?
User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Annoyedfa
"AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I AM SO SICK OF THIS AA SCREWED TWA SH*T!!!!!"

Pipe down AnnoyingFa, At least you have a job. AA had a chance to truly integrate instead of annihilate the last remaining aviation pioneer. From what I've observed as a passenger, most AA employees show very little loyalty to their company and have very little pride in what they do. As a platinum Aviator on TWA I saw the flight and ground staffs go through paycuts and disasters and cutbacks in service and still treat the passengers like royalty. In my honest opinion they managed to take very little (even at the end) and still turn it into a great experience.
AA had a chance to truly redo it's stainless steel sky nazi image by utilizing the people and legacy of the last true premier airline but they didn't. Sad for this traveler who appreciated having his name remembered...Maybe you wouldn't be so "annoyed" had you flown with some real professionals.

[Edited 2005-01-06 16:41:15]


TWA-Airline To the Stars
25 Ssides : AA had a chance to truly integrate instead of annihilate the last remaining aviation pioneer. It was a dying pioneer that couldn't adapt to changes in
26 QuestAir : As I recall, the number one TWA f/a was weeks away from 50 years of service. She quit before she could be laid off. At the time, everyone was positive
27 ToTheStars : As I recall, the number one TWA f/a was Weeks away from 50 years of service. She quit before she could be laid off. At the time, everyone was positive
28 LMP737 : FLY2LIM: AA non-revs don't upgrade in the true meaning of the word. They can list themselves in first which costs a little extra. If there's a seat av
29 LMP737 : Tothestars: Here's what would have happened if AA had try to "truly integrate" TWA post 9-11 the way they originally intended. They would have gone in
30 ToTheStars : Oh well, I still miss the warmth and great service. It's nice to get on a plane and have the attendant set down your favorite drink because they remem
31 Argonaut : "I am just tired of this AA screwed TWA stuff. It's simply not true." Annoyedfa, I believe the trouble is that AA gave TWA employees the line that the
32 Jmlagrod : AA saved TWA. Without a doubt that if this wouldn't of taken place TWA would have been long gone.
33 Annoyedfa : ToTheStars: I don't know what TWA you flew in the end but let me tell you I wish I flew on your flights. I did quite a few round trips on TWA and expe
34 AAgent : "I believe the trouble is that AA gave TWA employees the line that their jobs were all guaranteed, and then went back on that. If true, that's hardly
35 BR715-A1-30 : I only have one thing to say... Fly the FINEST... Fly TWA
36 Flashmeister : I think it's pretty funny that we're arguing over who was screwed and who was savior, all the while ignoring the fact that in almost every aspect of a
37 ToTheStars : Per AnnoyedFA: "They chose to work for TWA and stay knowing the state of the airline. Just like employees of US Airways and United are still there and
38 Remymartin11 : I pay full fare F, no upgrades. What I resent is paying for $3K ticket and seeing FA's stampeding up to first all giddy just before they close the doo
39 Annoyedfa : Remymartin11: My point exactly you paid for a FULL coach fair not a FIRST CLASS FAIR. So you get just that a coach seat. While the crews pay for their
40 FLY2LIM : AA non-revs don't upgrade in the true meaning of the word. They can list themselves in first which costs a little extra. If there's a seat avaliable
41 LMP737 : BR715: I only have one thing to say... Fly the FINEST... Fly TWA Good luck getting a flight.
42 Aa767400 : OK....First Off, Employees just don't bump full fare passengers off from their seats. Employees can fly in First, or Business if space is available. I
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