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Vasp Update!  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Can anyone please tell me what's VASP status?

How many aircraft are they currently flying? How many aircraft grounded?What are the destinations currently served and how many destinations have they dropped in the last months?

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

The last thing I heard about VASP is that they were cutting their fleet to 5X 737-200's. Can anyone confirm this?

About destinations, it's obvious they'll be serving only a few within Brazil.

I liked a lot VASP's MD-11's. Hope to see them someday back in the air!

Thank god they didn't take LAB to misery!

Saludos!

A. De Leo
"PiloT"



Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

VASP was suspended by IATA for sales through BSP Germany, with the explanation "Suspension of flights per 21 December 2004" being given...

The relevant release - in German, as PDF file - can be found here:
http://www.iata.org/NR/rdonlyres/epg2lvriymffvjzegzl5tpfimespl6hdl2x4sjgxhn67f2s67ixuucw775uuccyfgyvgwwnrv7m5zp/vaspagenteninformation21dec05.pdf

While I'm not sure if they really suspended all flights, or if that was only a temporary measure, I have not seen any updates by IATA here in Germany, so I can only guess that they are still suspended.

Not a good sign.

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8943 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

Can anyone please tell me what's VASP status?

The same status as a zombie... I don't understand how they still manage to fly.

Sorry, but I don't have the exact number of aircraft and the exact destinations still served... however, I can tell you that they have been chartering some 732s, most notably to a group of Soccer fans going to a game... they chartered 5 732s on this occasion!!

Their market share in december 04 was less than 1%  Sad and they are cancelling any flights with less than 50% capacity filled.

I liked a lot VASP's MD-11's.

So did I... IMO, sometimes even better than RG's (looks wise).

Thank god they didn't take LAB to misery!

Amen.

Cheers,

PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

VASP is still surviving because of Govenment incompetence in proceed the liquidation of the company.

And there is another serious thing under this issue.... if Government and Brazilial Civil Aviation Department take an action against VASP, than should take over VARIG too, which has a much worse situation.

I have very, but very good information from someone very close to VASP boarding relationship that said to me; Mr. Canhedo is waiting anxiously for a legal action agaisnt him and his company bacause he is going to sunk together with VARIG.

As this Government is a joke and is not conducting the issue with the attention required, than things stay like this.......


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8943 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

JJMNGR,

VP already has 23 legal actions against them. RG has no lawsuits filed against them and has not bounced FOUR Infraero checks (cheque sem fundo). Not to mention a HUGE break from the lawsuit against the government and foreign investors interest in buying a stake in RG. They have also been turning out profits in the past months.

As this Government is a joke and is not conducting the issue with the attention required, than things stay like this.......

Completely agree.

Cheers,

PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Thank you very much all for your update!!

Their market share in december 04 was less than 1% and they are canceling any flights with less than 50% capacity filled.

What??? Can't believe it!

Does VP's market share reduction has something to do with JJ's rise to 41% in the domestic market share? IIRC JJ last numbers were only 34% of MS right?


Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Well, without being 100% certain and without being in Brazil, I think it is obvious that VP's woes have played a key part in JJ's growth. To me it is pretty clear that there is a correlation between VP's drop in market share and JJ's high numbers.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8943 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Does VP's market share reduction has something to do with JJ's rise to 41% in the domestic market share? IIRC JJ last numbers were only 34% of MS right?

If you asked me that question before this numbers were published I would have told you most of VP's pax would go to GOL... but since G3 and JJ have grown so much it's kinda hard to say. Take a look:

Here are the growth numbers for each of the major airlines for the full year of 2004:

JJ- 21,3% growth (the 41% market share figure is for the month of december 2004 only, but likely to stay as high from now on)

RG- 3,6% growth

G3- 28,3% growth

VP- In december 2003 they had 11,95% market share, down to 0,75% in the month on december 2004.

PAX number increased 11,9% compared to 2003 and a 2,5% increase in seats offered. Which gives an average 66% loads for the sector in 2004.

2005 is to be another good year as an increase between 7-10% in traffic is expected.

Cheers,

PPVRA

[Edited 2005-01-08 22:36:54]


"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

PPVRA

AS per your username you probably is an RG fan and I respect this ok? But I was fan of PANAM and Braniff and both of them arre no oonger with us...and I continue to be fan of them...

The fact of some like RG is one thing, but the airline is really struggling...
Of course salaries are not paid with checks, but fact is that they are paying with difficulty. 13Th salary not even thinkable....isn´t the samne as a no funds check?

The fact of the economy is doing well not and they are operating with some operational profit, doesn´t mean their situation is going to be solved. If a foreing inverstor decides to throw money out and put this money on a lost fund, just remembering they can´t buy more than 20%.
20% of what? As the airline has a negative patrimony of USD2.5 BILLION? I am not mentioning debits...USD2.5 BILLION of negative patrimony!!!

Their president said in the newspapers they fly to some dstinations for "patriotism"....come on...what kind of company is this? They should fly to where they can make money...

Plese, understand that I don´t want to turn this, a discussion between you and me ok? But RG sucks....

Abraço!!!


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8943 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

JJMNGR,

Let me start by agreeing with you on at least one thing:

Plese, understand that I don´t want to turn this, a discussion between you and me ok? But RG sucks....

Only a difference in opinion, nothing more. What sucks about RG is their management and service... heck, that's the whole company! (except the 777s  Smile ) But look at what I mean:

For the Brazilian aviation industry sake I think we need at least two airlines competing. PANAM and Braniff are gone, but the USA still had DL, AA and UA to name a few. The thing I want to keep from happening is another airline to become too "comfortable", like RG did (arrogant, some would say), and then another new airline starts up and kick JJ out of business... repeating history.

Obviously, not a healthy industry scenario... which began when the military shut down Panair do Brasil back in the day, but let's not go there.

And to fix this problem, constant competition is needed. GOL is an LCC, not really competition for JJ. That's the whole point I was trying to make.

20% of what? As the airline has a negative patrimony of USD2.5 BILLION? I am not mentioning debits...USD2.5 BILLION of negative patrimony!!!

That's why it is called an investment... look at Embraer before they were privatized.

I'm not saying all this because I'm a fan of RG, but because I want the industry to be healthy and see RG and JJ competing as the best way to do it.

Abraço!

PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

PPVRA

I agree with you 100%....RG´s problem is very, but very bad management...let´s wait and see if JJ is not going to operate them....

Abraço


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