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Student Pilot Violates Nasa Airspace  
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

A student pilot believed to be from Vero Beach told officials that he was lost in a cloud bank on his way to St Augustine Airport when he wound up in restricted air space over Cape Canaveral.

The pilot corrected course and landed the Piper PA-28-161 at St Augustine, where he was met by deputies with the St. Johns County Sheriff's Office.

The FBI asked St. Johns deputies to interview the pilot, and then relay the information to that agency and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Aviation records show the plane is owned by Flightsafety International of Vero Beach.



http://www.local6.com/news/4056733/detail.html

I hate it when I get lost in the clouds and end up over Ft Hood!  Smile

AA777jr

[Edited 2005-01-08 09:51:41]

[Edited 2005-01-08 09:58:07]

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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3294 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

The fact that the student violated NASA's airspace is terrible (and the fact that the student ended up in a cloud when he/she should have avoided it altogether), but I have to give due credit to the student for not becoming disoriented and maintaining control of the aircraft. A student pilot on a solo cross-country flight will have only an hour or two of simulated instrument time already in the logbook. In reality, any student under the view-limiting hood or foggles during training in VFR weather knows in the back of his/her mind that if they get disoriented, they just remove the limiting device, and/or their instructor would be there to take over if they do inadvertently enter a cloud.
This student had NEITHER option, and managed to get out safely.

Good Job!



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Pretty scary to go into a cloud, and come out with some NASA T-38s flying escort with you I'd imagine.

User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3294 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

I don't know if I'd be as scared if T-38's were on my wing, since they are only "trainer" aircraft with no ammunition. OTOH, if I saw a few F-16's from Patrick AFB, i do believe i'd need a new change of underwear on the ground...


"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

I'm assuming that the student was simply flying up the coastline trying to skirt between the Cape and Orlando's Class B, but I'm pretty sure the restricted area starts at 10,000 ft, seems like a high cruising altitude for a relatively short flight.

I bet the DAB approach controller was having a field day with this one  Smile


User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

haha imagine coming out of a cloud to see a space shuttle passing by 50 feet infront of you Big grin

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

"Pretty scary to go into a cloud, and come out with some NASA T-38s flying escort with you I'd imagine."

I highly doubt that NASA would ever do that, not their business (especially given the abundance of fairly close airbases with fighter units)...besides, I think the T-38's are based at EFD, not the Cape...

Greg



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2233 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Question. How does a T-38 fly escort with a PA-28?


I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Question. How does a T-38 fly escort with a PA-28?

They don't. As USAF Hummer stated, NASA doesn't send up aircraft to intercept airspace violations. That would be handled by the Air Force. I also believe that the T-38's are based at Huntsville. They are used for crew pilot proficiency and they fly them to the Cape shortly before their launch date. And they are never armed. Besides, I don't believe their airspace is tightened up or exceptionally protected until a shuttle is on a pad, and especially on launch date. I've flown thru the airspace several times (with the proper authorization of course) and I've heard a guy get chewed out for entering the airspace without the proper clearance and the controller told him he was "lucky if he didn't have a couple of F-16's out on his wing".

As for an F-16 intercepting, I'd gather that the single's cruise speed is just about at the bottom of the 16's low speed capability (around 130kts) and I'd assume they would 'dirty up' with flaps and gear down, and come alongside and rock the wings.. signalling to the pilot to land. They probably would have to be actually doing a slow pass instead of flying formation, but it would get the point across. The kid who flew his plane into a skyscraper in Tampa in 2001 had a CG Dauphin flying off his wing right up until impact... don't think the 16 could do that.

And Corey, the airspace is as follows...

R-2932 to but not including 5,000' (Continuous)
R-2933 5,000 to unlimited (Intermittent)
R-2934 Unlimited (Intermittent)
R-2935 11,000 to Unlimited (Intermittent)

That's from an older sectional.. can't find my new one atm, but it's a good indication and probably hasn't changed much.


[Edited 2005-01-09 00:22:15]

[Edited 2005-01-09 00:35:45]


Here Here for Severe Clear!
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

This is the Coast Guard/DHS's new tilt-rotor UAV. I think this would be even scarrier than the F-16, just because it's unmanned and freaky looking. And it can slow down as much as it needs.




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