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UPS Orders 10 A380s  
User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14474 times:

UPS orders 10 A380s, cancels 37 A300s

http://ups.com/pressroom/us/press_releases/press_release/0,1088,4503,00.html

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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14339 times:

Wow that is great news. Congrats to UPS and Airbus.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14312 times:

Now, there are two American carriers that buy the A380...

pelican


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14296 times:

This has been rumored for a while. The A300 deliveries had been defered anyhow and last I heard Airbus was pushing UPS to convert some orders to A380's.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14278 times:

Ok, this thread will stay now, an explanation can be found here.

Patrick


User currently offlineSU184 From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 236 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14262 times:

Strange timing, thought they would keep it for the roll-out ceremnoy next week, do you think they have more orders to reveal in the event or in the Paris Air Show in June???

User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14257 times:

Thanks Patrick!!

regards


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14229 times:

It should mean that the A300 now has the end in sight and also the A310 as part of Airbus's current portfolio.

As they are legacy non-FBW aircraft it could even work in their favour, eliminating some expensive manufacturing capability which could have been sat idle due to UPS deferments.

With the big two freight haulers on board, wonder who will be looking next at it as a box lugger? One of the Asian carriers? Or maybe a supplemental LH order for the freight version?


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14188 times:

I wonder if this is the end of the A300 line - and if this is really a new order in the meaning that the value of the ten A380s is higher than the value of the 37 canceld A300s.

Anyway, congratulations to Airbus and UPS.

Furthermore congratulations to the USA: they are now the second country after the UAE to have two A380 customers.

A350



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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14092 times:

I'm happy to see UPS buy the A380. Its funny how they copy everything Fedex does. Maybe Fedex will pick up the extra A300's UPS don't want.


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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14039 times:

Congratulations to Airbus!!!
Whitehatter,
LH-Cargo(I guess that`s what you meant) will not order some A380 or even B777LRF this year. They already explained that they (the manegament only) are happy with their MD11 and that they won`t have to make any decisions regarding the fleet before 2007. Sad but true...

Regards


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14023 times:

I think the thread that I previously wrote this in got deleted, so I'll say it again...

...my guess is this will bring the end of the A300, and the long awaited launch of the A330F.

N


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14009 times:

I am really surprised to see UPS drop that many A300 orders. If there is one company in the world that can afford them, its UPS. The A300 is a GREAT freighter airplane. In the growing air cargo market, it is an excellent replacement for the 757/767s they have. Put the A300s in Asia, and bring the 767s back to the US for domestic service.

I still don't see this as a major victory for Airbus though. Cancelling 37 A300s to pick up 10 A380s is still a net loss of 27 widebody orders, even if the A300 is an old design.



FLYi
User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13982 times:

..and Airbus probably could have built the A300s at a profit, whereas the A380 has yet to break even.

Your financial mileage may vary....


User currently offlineBoeingDrew From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13972 times:

I don't know whether to say congrats or to bad... It was obviously a good trade-off for Airbus or else they wouldn't have made the deal, but was it worth it? True they could have made the deal with the long run in mind (more A-380 orders later on), but for NOW (today) was it still an equal trade-off, or just a bad idea? Either way, congrats to UPS and Airbus...

-Drew

PS- The A380's wing is pretty sweet!  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13964 times:

UPS is reaching the limit of their required domestic capacity, that's why they can't really use any more A300s.

They are, however, woefully under capacity on the international stage. Hence the switch of frames.

The 767s really are best for their Asian routes. The 767 has a bit more in terms of legs, which is good for the slightly longer stages between major Asian cities. The A300 is great for the really short hops here in the US.

N


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13888 times:

I don't think this is surprising to anyone in light of UPS's well-known desire to cancel most of its remaining order for new-build A300 freighters. It's a good way for both companies to save face, since it's clear that UPS will have routes on which it can use the A380F and Airbus avoids alienating an important customer and gets a win for the A380 program.

User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

Wow,

Will we see A380's at ONT in the near future?



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13831 times:

I think 10 A380s is worth 37 A300s. Despite staying in production for thirty years, the A300 has never made any money - the start-up costs of Airbus were so great (and mainly billed to the A300 program) that it would never recoup. The first Airbus to make money was the A320.

The way I see it, it's true the A380 isn't profitable but unlike the A300, it will be, and these 10 frames take them closer to the target. The A380 is the most important civil aviation project of modern times, and after taking it this far, Airbus will do whatever it takes. An order for ten - and finally close down a historic but faded product as well to make room for the A350? Absolutely!!



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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13814 times:

The pic on the UPS site actually looks good IMO.


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User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13810 times:

I will be surpised if UPS ever takes delivery of these aircraft. Stuck with an order for A300s that they did not want and no way of selling or transfering these orders to another carrier and Airbus not letting them out of the contract, left UPS with little choice but to order A380s or risk losing millions in deposits. Buy ordering A380s gives them the option of selling off these aircraft or if the A380 does not live up to promises, back out of the contract altogether. Not like it hasn't happened before ALA Northwest A340, TWA A330

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13794 times:

That's ridiculous. This was a right-sizing of the order to match the capacity that UPS now needs.

It was a good move for both parties.

N


User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13776 times:

The other thread got deleted, so I'll ask my question again:

With UPS coming onboard with the A380, how many more airports are going to be reconfigured here in the States?



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User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13768 times:

IF thats ridiculous why the 2011 delivery postions. UPS has never been a trend setter when ordering aircraft ,they always go with mature product lines AKA 767 A300 757

User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13766 times:

LH-Cargo(I guess that`s what you meant) will not order some A380 or even B777LRF this year. They already explained that they (the manegament only) are happy with their MD11 and that they won`t have to make any decisions regarding the fleet before 2007. Sad but true...

None of which means they won't be ordering later. It seems to be an airliners.net idea which has gained its own life, that all orders have to be in before the first one flies!

LH Cargo could well be in there later on, as air freight is growing year on year and LH will have the technical support in place.


25 Gigneil : IF thats ridiculous why the 2011 delivery postions. The deliveries begin in 2009. You apparently pulled that date out of nowhere. Keep in mind the fir
26 William : Nice spin Cedarjet.................Anyway,congrats to Airbus and UPS. The order makes ECONOMIC sense. UPS is competing with Fedex on routes from the U
27 Gigneil : The A380 doesn't fit the mission profile of Atlas or Polar, nor would Airbus engage in a buyback of 747s. N
28 Dtw9 : original stories stated 2011 so I did'nt pull it out of the air . also the 767 was a mature program and proven airframe before UPS ordered their freig
29 Usairways85 : So now what airports will see the UPS A380. I'd assume SDF since it's their main hub, other than that i know PHL has 5 or 6 flts to Europe on the week
30 WGW2707 : I agree that now is definitely the time for Airbus to scrap the life-expired A300/A310 family. The A300/A310 series lacks the commonality that charact
31 Post contains images TransSwede : How about ONT? It would certainly be sweet for me... About my only chance to see an A380 in person...
32 Post contains links TransSwede : Here is a link to an rendering of the A380 in UPS colors: http://pressroom.ups.com/staticfiles/images/354_low_res.jpg
33 Velasco : TransSwede, that is a wonderful rendering of the A380..! I know there's not a chance I might one day see one of those birds at Lisbon but I surely wou
34 Hirnie : @WHIThatter: I`m totally with you stating that LHC might (and will for sure) put big orders for freighters in the future. I only wanted to enlighten t
35 Unitedkatw : SWEET! I am proud of UPS to order these. Hopefully they'll also buy some B7E7's also.
36 Ltbewr : It's too bad the first A380's we will probably see in the USA will be freighters ;( , but at least with UPS putting in some early orders, maybe it wil
37 Post contains images Hirnie : Be sure they will... Regards
38 QFA001 : UPS has never been a trend setter when ordering aircraft ,they always go with mature product lines AKA 767 A300 757 You'd struggle to find a more 'tre
39 Dtw9 : QFA001 Were not talking derivitives , Yes freighters are derivitives of pass aircraft. All the aircraft you mention were MATURE airframes, tried and
40 Post contains images SATL382G : I think the winner in this deal is going to be the guy who makes/sells the A380 capable cargo loaders. UPS is going to need 15-20 and there hasn't bee
41 Post contains images Gigneil : It's too bad the first A380's we will probably see in the USA will be freighters Nah, you'll see a whole slew of them at LAX and JFK. N
42 RayChuang : I think UPS ordering 10 A380-800F's may mean FedEx may up the number of A388F's they will buy. People here have to remember that transpacific air frei
43 BlatantEcho : wouldn't the A388F be field limited out of OAK? What's the runway there, 9,000'? I know UPS gets their 741s out of there ok, but how will a full A380
44 Post contains images UPS Pilot : The A300 contract had options to convert some A300's to a possible A330f or A380f. The A300 was purchased when UPS bought Challenge Air Cargo. The dem
45 Dc10guy : Nice post UPS pilot, UPS Bought their first airplanes in 1981 in order to copy Fedex's express overnite biz. UPS didn't take over operating their own
46 N754PR : Great news for Airbus and UPS. IT's about time the UPS scheme was seen on a NEW heavy!! Shame about the A300's but all good things must come to an end
47 Post contains images Glideslope : UPS Pilot, Great post. Nice history lesson on the 721 hush kits versus the more long term performance driven approach by UPS. Nice to see another 380
48 SATL382G : One tidbit UPS pilot left out: FedEx launched the production 722F.
49 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : Linked rendition http://pressroom.ups.com/staticfiles/images/354_low_res.jpg
50 Post contains images UPS Pilot : There was alot of information I left out. I wanted to summerize not right a book I'm not knocking Fed Ex. They are a great company it's just on the ou
51 N685FE : UPS Pilot UPS' A300 has been designed to haul one more can than the Fed Ex A300. Fed Ex operates a large 722 fleet. UPS operated I think only 5 which
52 Gigneil : The UPS A300s have a different forward bulkhead that they designed themselves that allows for another can. N
53 N685FE : So that would mean there is virtually no space left in the currier section. Does UPS have jumpseats in the currier section? One more space would put
54 UPS Pilot : UPS designed a rigid barrier that doesn't need the extra space required for the 9 g net in the forward bulkhead. That is were the space is taken for t
55 Post contains links Scbriml : A press release is now posted on Airbus' website: http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/press_releases.asp#1656
56 SATL382G : The Airbus press release does not mention the canx'd A300. They must be still chewing on that issue. Maybe they think they can still sell them to UPS
57 Trevd : 37 Cancelled A300-600F's for 10 A380F's ?? Pretty sad when you have to canabalize existing orders to get a new customer on-board. And with the A380 be
58 Gigneil : And with the A380 being offered at discounted pricing around $125M I think this is a pretty unfounded statement. N
59 Daedaeg : And with the A380 being offered at discounted pricing around $125M, that suggests the residual value for a BRAND NEW A300-600F has fallen to the low $
60 Post contains images Scbriml : ..and Airbus probably could have built the A300s at a profit, whereas the A380 has yet to break even. One way to turn a profit on a new product is to
61 Geg2rap : UPSPilot, Are these A380's going to replace the existing 747 or compliment? Would the "supposed" 777F order be for international or long haul domestic
62 BDRules : I can see flights to the Cologne Hub from SDF. I wish they would come to EMA but cant see it. other than that more than likely to asia. Regards Stu
63 Nucsh : I must say, I am excited that cargo carriers are picking up the A380. But to be honest, I dont think a commercial carrier will, unfortuately. Maybe NW
64 FedExMEM : UPS Pilot, Do they have the space to accomodate those 380's at SDF, or are they going to fly them out of another location? One of my only problems wit
65 Post contains images QFA001 : All the aircraft you mention were MATURE airframes, tried and tested as passenger aircraft first... Good work Sherlock. You obviously read what I wrot
66 Dtw9 : QFA001, Try and get this through your thick head. UPS has never been in on the launch of any totally new airframe. Yes they have launched Dirivitives
67 Dc10guy : I still can't believe that UPS spent all that cash on the 727-100 re-engineing and now they are being scrapped ... That don't make much sense to the a
68 Post contains images QFA001 : Try and get this through your thick head. Get your hand off it, Banana Pants. UPS has never been in on the launch of any totally new airframe. Yes the
69 Browntailwhale : What you fail to realize is that the re-engining was paid for in just a few months of revenue service. By the time they were finally retired, they mor
70 Dtw9 : I see your maturity level is about as high as you Airways SO tell me ,What totally new airfame, repeat airframe has UPS EVER LAUNCHED? Heres a hint. N
71 Dc10guy : Yeah but ... They could have made the same cash without spending all the cash on new motors ... WHY ??? I'm doing the math and it just don't add up. W
72 Post contains images QFA001 : I see your maturity level is about as high as you Airways Yah. You're makin' a lot of sense there, man. SO tell me ,What totally new airfame, repeat a
73 Dtw9 : QFA001, As I said in an ealier post you have your opinion of what a trendsetter is and I have mine,Your entitled to, as I am. As far as my spelling go
74 QFA001 : As I said in an ealier post you have your opinion of what a trendsetter is and I have mine,Your entitled to, as I am. Ah, the great freedom equaliser.
75 Browntailwhale : They gained good PR in having the 727s stage 3 compliant without having to use a hush kit plus, and a big plus, they were much more environmentally fr
76 Pictues : Dtw9, just because UPS is or isn't a trendsetter doesn't mean that they don't really want the A380. There is alot of frieght to be moved from Asia now
77 Dtw9 : Pictues, Northwest ordered the A340 in its early days, then just kept pushing back delivery when the aircraft didn't live up to the performance they
78 Post contains images UPS Pilot : This thread has really gone south The 727-100 QF program more than paid for its self. The fuel burn over the P&W has more than paid for it's self. The
79 Dc10guy : Flying a 727-100 from SDF to say CID or MCI once a day doesn't burn much fuel anyway. I can't see why UPS spent the money on them old planes and stopp
80 Post contains images QFA001 : Northwest ordered the A340 in its early days, then just kept pushing back delivery when the aircraft didn't live up to the performance they had hoped,
81 Gigneil : By the time the A340 first flew in 1991, NW had orders for 24 A340-300Xs and 6 options. Not quite. The A340-300X didn't become available until the A33
82 QFA001 : Not quite. The A340-300X didn't become available until the A330-200. That was a fair bit later. Don't shoot the messenger. NW specified the same 267t
83 Post contains images JasperEMA : Do you think they will replace B767f to NEMA with them?
84 Post contains images Solnabo : NR 12: Bitte.....stop, Im LMAO!! Micke
85 Columba : UPS will be very unhappy with that plane! Reasons: * It takes hours for loading * This plane is too huge, it will never fly * The 380 is subsidised *
86 Venus6971 : The 380 is going to need alot of butt's in seats to be worth the cost as passenger jet but as a cargo with the long legs it is going to have it will p
87 Dayflyer : It's still one ugly airplane, even in UPS livery.
88 JDD1 : Venus 6971 The A380F will have the upper deck door forward on the port side. The main deck door aft on the port side and the lower deck doors on the s
89 TrevD : Gigneil and Daedaeg - as for the $125M price, I would assert it is totally well founded and in fact, I would not be surprised if some deals are even l
90 Gigneil : Remember, this is a very, very risky aircraft. There is very little new technology in this airplane. Those are contradictory statements, and, that asi
91 TrevD : I have, and the risk I speak of is the financial kind. It is the absence of any new technology in the airplane that makes it risky. There's no big bre
92 N1120a : >The A300 is a GREAT freighter airplane. In the growing air cargo market, it is an excellent replacement for the 757/767s they have. Put the A300s in
93 TrevD : N1120a - Great points, agree wholeheartedly!! Both UPS and FedEx would tend to bulk out before they gross out. Must admit that the airplane makes a re
94 LH477 : A380 is great fit for both UPS and FedEX especially since for the the freight market out of China. In freight operation capacity is key.
95 Post contains images Startknob : UPS! - eh - sorry: OOOPS!
96 William : I could see some domestic routes for this aircraft as well. Coast to Coast,say JFK to Ontario,Ca filled with Reds and other Air packages. Then turn ar
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