Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7211 times:
Northwest originally flew the 744 MSP (or DTW) to PHX on proving runs back in '89-'90 and they use to run a 747-200 on the MSP-SEA flight for many years. But not anymore--in fact I don't believe there are any domestic Northwest widebodies save for Hawaii.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7179 times:
NW's schedule is a lot easier to maintain for the 747s. All of them fly to NRT and Asia. UA needs to do positioning flights for their international widebodies to maximize efficiency. Since there are 747s in the Atlantic and Pacific, there often has been flights domestically connecting them, which leads to less ground time for the planes. NW's fleet is smaller and serves a single hub/focus city. It is still possible to get 777s domestically, and I can't see how UA would eliminate that without a huge schedule change. Having 777s and 747s operate on international flights from LAX, SFO, SEA, ORD, IAD and JFK is a logistics nightmare if you want to keep them flying only international routes. Fortunately us consumers benefit from this by having the option to fly internationally equipped planes domestically, which means an awesome product in the premium cabins that can beat the pants off any LCC any day. Unfortunately almost no one pays to fly 1st class domestically.
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Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6930 times:
I do remember the daily 747 from MSP to ORD. If I recall correctly, gate 8 (old configuration from 10 or so years ago) used to be the gate designated for the hourly ORD flights. My family and I used to fly NW and would always leave DSM on the 0600 flight to make int'l and Hawaii connections. We used to go down to the ORD gate area as they had the area with juice, coffee, donuts, etc. I thought that they only had the one flight each way as positioning for the 747 that operated to NRT.
For a few years, NW also operated a 744 between MSP and DTW early in the morning. I remember seeing it out at the end of the red concourse in the early 1990s. I think that this was also a positioning flight. I remember it because occasionally, they would place two 747s out at the tip of the old red concourse, one to DTW and I don't recall where the other one went. This was long ago before they upgraded the former gold concourse area...forget what they call it now.
As for the 747 from MSP to SEA, good old flight 7/8. I rode this once all the way from MSP to SEA to NRT. Always nice to have a 747 on the domestic flights.
Does NW still sub the 744 onto AMS anymore during busy seasons? Is AMS largely converting to a 333 and D10 (soon to be only 333?) destination?
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26113 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6733 times:
The timing of the UA 744 domestics has also tended to be at a time where they needed hub to hub capacity anyway for O&D and hub to hub connection banks. The shortest of the flights are the always unscheduled LAX-SFO flights but the shortest that have been regularly scheduled, though not at the moment, are the LAX-DEN flights. I do know that my row partner on OXR-LAX on Saturday flew LAX-IAD on a 744 in the past few weeks, most likely a positioning flight for the FRA flight that acted as the leg of UA890 that usually switches from 744 to 763 at LAX.
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Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7902 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6631 times:
You could fly to the UK or France, I've done Newark to Heathrow in five hours fifteen, Boston to Gatwick four hours fifty five.* Both 747-100s in the 1990s. Now is the cheapest time to travel. BA have ads in the tube for Heathrow to JFK return for £199 rtn incl right now, I bet they've got deals in the USA to come here for a bargain price. So come and visit The Olde Countrie, you're welcome.
*: If only to remember the old girl, to should be added that I, and many other lucky souls, did Heathrow to JFK in three hours once.
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Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3784 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6631 times:
If question of this topic can be interpreted to mean examples of shortest 747 flights within the U.S., one that comes to mind is Northwest's now-discontinued (10 years ago or more) 747-200 flight MSP-ORD, a distance of 333mi/536km. The flight was essentially a positioning flight from NW's MSP 747 maintenance base to put an aircraft in place each day for their ORD-NRT non-stop (also discontinued). My most vivid memory of my one and only MSP-ORD flight on a NW 747-200 was my seat; apparently the aircraft assigned to the flight that day had a larger business class cabin than some NW 747s, which meant that the "coach" seat numbers assigned to my son and I put us the business class cabin, which meant nothing (in the way of enhanced cabin service -- flight time under one hour) except a more comfortable seat plus the "prestige" and memory of having flown in business class for our coach fares.
Chrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6574 times:
i remember those NW 747's. they had a couple of runs in the middle of the night that went JFK-DTW-MKE-MSP and back...i believe they crossed paths somewhere. eventually MKE was dropped as a 747 destination, and NW used that MSP-DTW-JFK route and continued on to either Stockholm or Copenhagen, cant remember which. it was NW's 1st transatlantic 747 route. originally it was flight #220 one way and #221 back. they actually had a name for the route but that escapes me.
if we're speaking of former short 747 routes, UA had a bunch when they 1st started 747 service. i can recall SAN-LAX, ORD-CLE, ORD-PIT, ORD-YYZ to name a few.
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Leamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6529 times:
SFO-OAK which is 9.6 miles!
Just as a point of interest, years ago when I used to see UA 747s fly out of SFO to OAK which is only 9.6 nautical miles across the bay! UA used to have a maintenance center in Oakland where a few heavies were sent from SFO. But of course these were non-pax flights.
Coyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6449 times:
At one time we had a choice of 747 flights between JFK and Miami, with Tower Air and TWA both flying it - Tower had a couple each day I think on -100 or -200s and TWA had an evening flight, TW005 which ran on a 747 -100 or -200 for ages, sometime was flown with an L1011 instead, and in the last months was downgraded to a 727. I'm happy to say I flew on all of them. Those were the days.
AirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6367 times:
I believe the shortest 747 US domestic route was PHL-JFK by PA in 1975 which was part of a daily SJU-PHL-JFK-FCO route.
I wish someone can resurrect an all-747 fleet airline similar to Tower Air with the same service as JetBlue!! It's time to decongest the airways by using wide-bodied aircrafts like what they do in East Asia and cut down on regional jets!!!
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6291 times:
I don't understand the title of this thread and how it relates to the question posed: Is it still possible to fly trans con in a 747 anymore?
To answer that question, yes, you can, on Qantas, if you purchase a through ticket JFK-LAX-SYD. It runs three times a week with a 747-400.
Shortest 747 flight in the continental U.S. surely was OAK-SFO and it did carry paying passengers. I was one of them. I'm rather sure it wasn't a 747-400 when I flew it to qualify for triple miles with MileagePlus in early 1988, as I believe the first 400's didn't arrive in UA's fleet until 1989-90. I don't know how long the route lasted, nor how long it was operated with a 747 or with which version(s), and it's quite possible the 747 opened for sale to accomodate all the passengers buying up every short flight in town to qualify for triple miles if it wasn't normally scheduled, but that's pure speculation.
(I think there are some other threads in the archived forum you can search for more info.)
Future757 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6184 times:
I thought there was a UA 747 that flew SFO to ORD. I thought it was a leg of an international flight. Maybe it was just a repositioning. I thought I remembered reading about this somewhere.
If you are really desperate to fly on a 747 domestically, you could always crawl in a box and try to hitch a ride to ANC on a freighter!
I know this topic is about 747, but as far as domestic heavies go, as all you Peter Max fans know, continental does IAH-EWR on a 777.