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Shortest USA 747 Flights..Any?  
User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

Is it still possible to fly trans con in a 747 anymore? I used to take a UAL 747 from ORD to JFK many years ago... Retired now and just love to ride on these big dogs, just not too long. Thanks!

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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6388 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7920 times:

This present schedule has no UA 747 flying domestic. I'm sure at some pont you will see them again on SFO/LAX-DEN/ORD and a few other hub to hub route. NW never flys them domestically, so thats it!

Does UA's flights from SFO to the desert count?


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5393 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7888 times:

Northwest originally flew the 744 MSP (or DTW) to PHX on proving runs back in '89-'90 and they use to run a 747-200 on the MSP-SEA flight for many years. But not anymore--in fact I don't believe there are any domestic Northwest widebodies save for Hawaii.

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 11166 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

NW's schedule is a lot easier to maintain for the 747s. All of them fly to NRT and Asia. UA needs to do positioning flights for their international widebodies to maximize efficiency. Since there are 747s in the Atlantic and Pacific, there often has been flights domestically connecting them, which leads to less ground time for the planes. NW's fleet is smaller and serves a single hub/focus city. It is still possible to get 777s domestically, and I can't see how UA would eliminate that without a huge schedule change. Having 777s and 747s operate on international flights from LAX, SFO, SEA, ORD, IAD and JFK is a logistics nightmare if you want to keep them flying only international routes. Fortunately us consumers benefit from this by having the option to fly internationally equipped planes domestically, which means an awesome product in the premium cabins that can beat the pants off any LCC any day. Unfortunately almost no one pays to fly 1st class domestically.

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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

While I think it's been changed, in March of '04 I flew UA 125 ORD-LAX which was a 747-400.

Great service and we got in over an hour ahead of schedule  Big thumbs up

I fogured out that it was positioning for SYD... I forget the flight # though.

First and only 747 flight to date & the reason I went with UA,


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User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4536 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7727 times:

Looking at the Star Alliance timetable right now, I can tell you that there are no 744s scheduled between LAX, DEN, SFO and ORD.

There are a couple of 777s though.

Although that doesn't mean that the odd 744 doesn't appear on any of the routes.

User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

anyone remember when nwa flew msp-ord on the 200???i flew it 2x and it was great albeit short......................

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User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7635 times:

NWA had 747's on ORD to MSP about 10 years ago. After NWA gave up the Chicago to Tokyo run.

User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7607 times:


I do remember the daily 747 from MSP to ORD. If I recall correctly, gate 8 (old configuration from 10 or so years ago) used to be the gate designated for the hourly ORD flights. My family and I used to fly NW and would always leave DSM on the 0600 flight to make int'l and Hawaii connections. We used to go down to the ORD gate area as they had the area with juice, coffee, donuts, etc. I thought that they only had the one flight each way as positioning for the 747 that operated to NRT.

For a few years, NW also operated a 744 between MSP and DTW early in the morning. I remember seeing it out at the end of the red concourse in the early 1990s. I think that this was also a positioning flight. I remember it because occasionally, they would place two 747s out at the tip of the old red concourse, one to DTW and I don't recall where the other one went. This was long ago before they upgraded the former gold concourse area...forget what they call it now.

As for the 747 from MSP to SEA, good old flight 7/8. I rode this once all the way from MSP to SEA to NRT. Always nice to have a 747 on the domestic flights.

Does NW still sub the 744 onto AMS anymore during busy seasons? Is AMS largely converting to a 333 and D10 (soon to be only 333?) destination?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34575 posts, RR: 70
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7456 times:

El Al flies 744s domesticly, between Miami and Newark. Though you can't be tickets on the MIA-EWR segment.

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 29180 posts, RR: 73
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

The timing of the UA 744 domestics has also tended to be at a time where they needed hub to hub capacity anyway for O&D and hub to hub connection banks. The shortest of the flights are the always unscheduled LAX-SFO flights but the shortest that have been regularly scheduled, though not at the moment, are the LAX-DEN flights. I do know that my row partner on OXR-LAX on Saturday flew LAX-IAD on a 744 in the past few weeks, most likely a positioning flight for the FRA flight that acted as the leg of UA890 that usually switches from 744 to 763 at LAX.

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User currently offlineJfrworld From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7376 times:
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I flew a 747-400 from SFO-DEN in 9/04. I believe the original equipment was a 777, but was substituted with a 747-400

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8628 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

You could fly to the UK or France, I've done Newark to Heathrow in five hours fifteen, Boston to Gatwick four hours fifty five.* Both 747-100s in the 1990s. Now is the cheapest time to travel. BA have ads in the tube for Heathrow to JFK return for £199 rtn incl right now, I bet they've got deals in the USA to come here for a bargain price. So come and visit The Olde Countrie, you're welcome.

*: If only to remember the old girl, to should be added that I, and many other lucky souls, did Heathrow to JFK in three hours once.

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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3813 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

If question of this topic can be interpreted to mean examples of shortest 747 flights within the U.S., one that comes to mind is Northwest's now-discontinued (10 years ago or more) 747-200 flight MSP-ORD, a distance of 333mi/536km. The flight was essentially a positioning flight from NW's MSP 747 maintenance base to put an aircraft in place each day for their ORD-NRT non-stop (also discontinued). My most vivid memory of my one and only MSP-ORD flight on a NW 747-200 was my seat; apparently the aircraft assigned to the flight that day had a larger business class cabin than some NW 747s, which meant that the "coach" seat numbers assigned to my son and I put us the business class cabin, which meant nothing (in the way of enhanced cabin service -- flight time under one hour) except a more comfortable seat plus the "prestige" and memory of having flown in business class for our coach fares.

User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7251 times:


i remember those NW 747's. they had a couple of runs in the middle of the night that went JFK-DTW-MKE-MSP and back...i believe they crossed paths somewhere. eventually MKE was dropped as a 747 destination, and NW used that MSP-DTW-JFK route and continued on to either Stockholm or Copenhagen, cant remember which. it was NW's 1st transatlantic 747 route. originally it was flight #220 one way and #221 back. they actually had a name for the route but that escapes me.

if we're speaking of former short 747 routes, UA had a bunch when they 1st started 747 service. i can recall SAN-LAX, ORD-CLE, ORD-PIT, ORD-YYZ to name a few.


User currently offlineLeamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

SFO-OAK which is 9.6 miles!

Just as a point of interest, years ago when I used to see UA 747s fly out of SFO to OAK which is only 9.6 nautical miles across the bay! UA used to have a maintenance center in Oakland where a few heavies were sent from SFO. But of course these were non-pax flights.

User currently offlineBrowntailwhale From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Not that you can ride on the flight, but UPS flies Honolulu-Kona in a 747.

User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 477 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

At one time we had a choice of 747 flights between JFK and Miami, with Tower Air and TWA both flying it - Tower had a couple each day I think on -100 or -200s and TWA had an evening flight, TW005 which ran on a 747 -100 or -200 for ages, sometime was flown with an L1011 instead, and in the last months was downgraded to a 727. I'm happy to say I flew on all of them. Those were the days.

User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

I believe the shortest 747 US domestic route was PHL-JFK by PA in 1975 which was part of a daily SJU-PHL-JFK-FCO route.

I wish someone can resurrect an all-747 fleet airline similar to Tower Air with the same service as JetBlue!! It's time to decongest the airways by using wide-bodied aircrafts like what they do in East Asia and cut down on regional jets!!!

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

I don't understand the title of this thread and how it relates to the question posed: Is it still possible to fly trans con in a 747 anymore?

To answer that question, yes, you can, on Qantas, if you purchase a through ticket JFK-LAX-SYD. It runs three times a week with a 747-400.

Shortest 747 flight in the continental U.S. surely was OAK-SFO and it did carry paying passengers. I was one of them. I'm rather sure it wasn't a 747-400 when I flew it to qualify for triple miles with MileagePlus in early 1988, as I believe the first 400's didn't arrive in UA's fleet until 1989-90. I don't know how long the route lasted, nor how long it was operated with a 747 or with which version(s), and it's quite possible the 747 opened for sale to accomodate all the passengers buying up every short flight in town to qualify for triple miles if it wasn't normally scheduled, but that's pure speculation.


(I think there are some other threads in the archived forum you can search for more info.)  Smile

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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6933 times:

It's not up now, but you can sometimes fly a 744 between IAD and ORD on UA. Also, they constantly switch flights 946/947 b/t 744 and a 772 (IAD-LAX-IAD).

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

Up until recently, Saudi Arabian flew 747s on IAD-JFK although you couldn't book tickets on it. I believe it is operated with 777s now.

User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

i have not seen a 747 doing trans-con for a number of years. by the way who still flies the 747 anyway it seems that they are getting fewer and fewer and im getting mad

If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineFuture757 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

I thought there was a UA 747 that flew SFO to ORD. I thought it was a leg of an international flight. Maybe it was just a repositioning. I thought I remembered reading about this somewhere.
If you are really desperate to fly on a 747 domestically, you could always crawl in a box and try to hitch a ride to ANC on a freighter!
I know this topic is about 747, but as far as domestic heavies go, as all you Peter Max fans know, continental does IAH-EWR on a 777.

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3813 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Not to overlook Delta's ATL-DAL (later DFW)-LAX and ORD-MIA routes operated by their 747-132s for about 5 years before their TriStars took over as their only widebody type.

25 Kanebear : Not that you could book it but IIRC SV ran positioning flights from MCO to IAD.
26 APFPilot1985 : You cant book on Qantas' JFK-LAX unless you continue on to sidney right?
27 Erj145lr : i've flown one from IAD to ORD
28 AeroWesty : You cant book on Qantas' JFK-LAX unless you continue on to sidney right? Correct, but it's been stated in other posts that you may take a stopover in
29 Jfrworld : Between 1989 and 1991, HP flew 747-200's between PHX and LAS continuing on to HNL.
30 EIPremier : I have flown UA 747s on LAX-ORD, SFO-ORD and LAX-IAD within the past two years.
31 DBCooper : I used to regularly fly SFO-LAX on a TW 747 many many years ago. Routing was SFO-LAX-LHR (flight 760 eastbound/761 westbound). UA used to fly 744s on
32 Nwfltattendant : Just adding (so dont freak out as a double post) to the NW MSP-ORD posts... Those flights which featured the 747-100s and 200s operated as part of NWA
33 Danpio : Getting back to the original question, shortest USA 747 flights: DL used to fly 747's ATL-JAX in the early 70's before they started flying trans-atlan
34 Erj145lr : Saudi Arabian flies 777- JFK to IAD
35 AF022 : according to OAG, the only B747s operating within the 50 states are international carriers without traffic rights: JFKANC on CI or KE or OZ EWRMIA on
36 Jtamu97 : Didn't Lufthansa used to have a DFW-IAH-MEX? I thought as a kid I remember seeing this flight on the screens at IAH.
37 Drerx7 : Yes--for many years it was a FRA-DFW-IAH routing--but then they separated the routes. The closest thing you can get until UA puts 747s back in the dom
38 Post contains images Iowa744fan : The closest thing you can get until UA puts 747s back in the domestic schedules is Cathay's (i think) routing JFK-YVR. They do have traffic rights on
39 Post contains images Drerx7 : Which is why I said 'the closest thing you can get'
40 VC10BOAC : I have flown the UA IAD-ORD route on a 747 too. This was probably back in 1992. The flight actually originated in LHR and after clearing customs and i
41 KDTWFlyer : COAMiG29, I couldn't agree more. Nice to be born in the mid 80s and grow up into an era of aviation stagnation where emphasis on efficiency and ETOPS
42 APFPilot1985 : Just checking on that CX flight from JFK-YVR, it looks like for the next two weeks its either an a346 or 343
43 MDW22L31C : I think TWA had a flight STL-ORD-LHR back when TWA was moving its Hub from ORD to the St.Louis.
44 Chrisjake : MDW22L31C, they sure did. i cant remember if it was flight 770 or 720 eastbound, but it definetely was a 747 STL-ORD-LHR and back. chris
45 DTManiac : I flew a UA 744 from FRA to IAD and they said the service would be continued to SEA after arrival to IAD. I guess that would be what we are searching
46 NBGskygod : I remember about 4 and half years ago, I flew a UA 742 from DEN to ORD.
47 DCAYOW : United is notorious for having a single flight number FRA-IAD-SEA, but then downgauging the IAD-SEA sector to a 757 or a 320/319. I have long thought
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