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Question About Strange L1011 Picture  
User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9898 times:

I am currently reading Turbulent Skies, which is an excellent book about the history of commercial aviation. It has this picture of an L1011 in it.



I know that 747's can ferry an extra engine, but I never heard of an L1011 doing so. Since this one is in Lockheed house colors, was this capability just being tested? Or did all production L1011's have this capability? If so, are there any other pictures of them ferrying engines?

Thanks all, and apologies for the quality of the scan.


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9779 times:

Evidently, Gulf Air used this feature at least once:


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User currently offlineRyanL1011 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9700 times:

I've never heard of an aircraft carrying an extra engine, what purpose does that serve?

User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9669 times:

Just as cargo to a far off support centre, should one member of the fleet need a new engine in another region.

TWA used to base a C-82 Packet in Paris to haul spare engines and the like around Europe.


User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9650 times:

Back in the days before airfriegt was as common as it is today, an airline had to be able to move a large engine (JT9, CF6, RB211) very quickly if they had a problem in an area where there was no engine available.

The manufacturers decided to add an option to their airframes which would enable an engine to be carried as exterior payload. This engine was non functioning and could be carried on revenue flight. So, your recovery aircraft could also carry your engine. We had one ready to go at PanAm over in one of the hangars at JFK. It only took an experienced crew between 2 and 3 hours to install. I believe the option was available on B747, L1011 & DC10.

Now, with all this heavy lift (B747, MD11, DC10) cpability in frieghters readily available, the practice has fallen out of use. Though I wonder if a Trent or GE90 could be carried on the deck of a B747 or such.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9643 times:

I'm sure they where just doing Aerodynamic Loads Testing. This was in the days before computers, so on paper they could get a good idea of what it would behave like, but the only way to really know was strap on an engine and go fly.


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9591 times:

Still available with the 747-400 series. Here is an SAA a/c ferrying an engine:


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User currently offlineVez From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9523 times:

Here are one more :

a 743 :


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a 742

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and even another tristar!


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9391 times:

DC-8 and DC-10 also were able to carry extra engine pods. Not sure about the 707 however.


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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9158 times:

Not all L-1011's had the ability to carry a fourth engine. At DL, only the ex-PA planes had the capability. BA also had this option.


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User currently offlineTepidhalibut From Iceland, joined Dec 2004, 209 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

On the "head-on" shots, you might notice that the extra engine has no fan-blades fitted. There's also a do-nut shaped blank to stop air flowing into the core of the engine.

This was to stop the core engine shafts windmilling (which could have resulted in some oil system problems.)


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8518 times:

Not sure about the 707 however.

I'm 99.9% sure that the B707 can also do that too. I remember my dad, who worked for an
airline for many years, telling me that once a B707 arrived carrying an extra engine.

Tony



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User currently offlineRams777 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

This is to "SNATH" I found a Middle East Ailrines (MEA) 707 ferrying an extra engine to Beirut. Photo taken in Heathrow


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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

Not sure about the 707 however.

I am 100% sure the 707 had the extra engine mount capability, had to periodically NDI the extra mounts just to check for corrosion.



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User currently offlineBlkav8tor2003 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

Hey FlyingNanook,

Blkav8tor2003 here and this is my first post. I also have a pic for you. Here at KPHX Skyharbor Int'l Honeywell has a private flying testbed of the B720-051B variant and it carries an extra engine pod that works on a/c right side just aft of the cockpit. I will include a link from a photo airliners.net sorry I don't know how to post a pic so you can see it right away but give me time. Good question, I'll keep on reading and start posting more. "Keep the Blue Side Up!"

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/651277/L/



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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1943 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

In one of my old 707 books, I have a picture of a Qantas 707-138 ferrying an extra engine. I believe this is a picture of Boeing's testing of this feature; the idea of ferrying an extra jet engine goes back at least to the early 1960s.

What I find unusual in the picture of the Lockheed L-1011 prototype is that the aircraft is carrying the spare engine on the starboard side; every other picture I have seen shows the spare engine on the port side.

Anyhow, here's a few more pictures:

747 Classics-

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And here's "Ontos," TWA's Fairchild C-82 Packet:

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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3767 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Here is an A330 carrying two spare engines...


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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Has anyone noticed, but the Boeing aircraft carry the engine on the left, lockheed carry it on the right and the Fairchild carrys it on the top.

Dog


User currently offlineRg828 From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5791 times:
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Saw this while browsing:


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Even VC-10s were able to carry a 5th pod.



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User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Why can't the engine just go in the cargo hold?

How long does it take to put one on a plane?

Has anyone ever been on a plane with a spare?

Could any planes ever have one on each wing?


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

Dog, I am not sure if you were serious or not, so for the sake of the people not getting the joke, or too young to know any better, the engine on top of the C-82 Packet was not the spare engine being transported. But you all knew that. Right?
That engine was there to aid in take-off performance.



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User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

WOuld a plane with an extra engine be a non rev flight due to the extra weight and drag?


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User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

There would be a range penalty and you most likely couldn't put as many pax on the plane as without the extra engine, but the aircraft could still be used for a revenue flight if the load factor for the flight is right.

da man



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User currently offlinePl4nekr4zy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Lol, nice one, Birdwatching. Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5033 times:
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I believe that the regs require that engine ferry flights be non-revenue flights.

They are not often used anymore, but will be done in a pinch.



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25 EclipseFlight7 : Is it possible to get a permit for an aircraft to fly with one engine out? Aircraft are built so that they can have an engine failure at V1 but still
26 Dogfighter2111 : Stirling, i was joking. I should have said beside it. Dog
27 Hiflyer : At PanAm it was called a 5th pod...revenue flights with pax...yes range was impacted due drag but more due to the extra weight. Could go east coast Eu
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