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Airbus A380 "Target For Terror"  
User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12261 times:

In light of the Airbus A380's world debut this month. I have received feedback from close friends indicating that if an A380 crashes it can involve upwards of 550 passengers. Larger derivatives have this number approach 1000. Mixing two larger-derivative A380s and you have a disaster on the scale of the World Trade Center attacks.

Does the sheer size of the A380 make it a more appealing target for Terrorist networks attempting to achieve maximum casualties with minimum effort?



[Edited 2005-01-12 06:23:08]


"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12167 times:

Why, then, did Al-Qaeda not target 747's? Or even 777's? Or evrn 340's?

IMHO, such an argument is B.S. If we are going to assume that terrorists will attack whatever is biggest, maybe we should stop building new buildings that are, say, bigger than an A380.  Big grin



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12068 times:

Why does everything have to be 'terror related' these days? The 380 has never even left the ground and already the terror threat is spreading


Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12052 times:

I think that if terrorists were to go primarily for an airliner to bring down that they'd naturally go for the larger plane to inflict more casualties. I think that the reason we didn't see bigger planes used on 9-11 was because the 767/757 were lightly loaded and full of fuel for a cross country flight (unfortunately it got the job done for the terrorists). A 747 would likely have had more passengers aboard which could carry the possibility of the passengers combating the plans of the terrorist scum.

TW



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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12022 times:

500 vs 19 is not a real good idea. TWA hit the nail on the head they chose those flights because they new they would be dealing with less people. Best advice would be don't worry about it.


Never under estimate the power of US
User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11969 times:

I did not mean terrorists commandeering an aircraft just merely shooting one down or suicide bombing one. After all, the TSA swabs baggage for explosives, but a carefully arranged wallet packed with C4 plastic explosives can elude security screenings in the back pocket of any terrorist. In the era of online seat selections a terrorist need only to select a seat in the vicinity of his target aircraft's belly fuel tanks to accomplish his wicked task.

I think women may be even better at hiding plastic explosives by stuffing it into their braziers.



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User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11921 times:

IMHO, the risk of terrorism is the worst of the usual arguments against the A380. For one thing, the aircraft is only 25% bigger than the 747-400, and 9/11 proved that even relatively small aircraft can be devastating in the wrong hands. If taken to its logical conclusion, this argument would have us flying around on Beechcraft 1900s.

The key to combating aviation terrorism is prevention. Once the bomb, hijacker, missile, etc. gets through, the aircraft type is mostly irrelevant.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11884 times:

Fly it's a little more complicated then just putting C4 in your wallet. The right measures are in place and like I said before I wouldn't worry about it.


Never under estimate the power of US
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11863 times:

*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING*

Stop building skyscrapers? Stop cruise ships? Stop Japanese domestic 550-seating B747s?

*PARANOIA*PARANOIA*PARANOIA


The arguments against the A380 get more and more insane...and the funny thing is: they won't stop the project! Sorry guys, try something else!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

depends-the next 9-11 (like the first one) will occur where and when Bush wants it to-if you wanna know if/when the a380 will be hit ask him-saying that the a380 is potentially a significant competitor to certain US aircraft manufacturers-he complained about govt money which airbus was recieving-how better to get his own back than blowing up (of getting 'the tyrant' or 'the killers who kill') to blast the flagship out of the sky?

User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11636 times:

 Insane Oh God !!! "Miss U.S Paranoïa 2005" is back !!!!  Insane

Let's all stay at home, buy tons of kalashnikov, close doors and windows, and pray !!!


User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11563 times:

Too much Fox News watching is dangerous for your mental health. Besides "terror" has no target. A terrorist strike has a target.

User currently offlineYhz78 From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11542 times:

In addition to the above reasons given about light loads and high fuel the B757 and B767 were also ideal to the terrorists because of the cockpit similarities. We might as well start making every cockpit completely different as well to make it even harder for the terrorists should they ever get that far again.


Canada Rocks! From the west coast to the best coast!
User currently offlineDTWA320 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11470 times:

I think most of the things Americans say annoy the French... vice versa  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Sebolino... you don't have to listen to the term "terror"... every television or radio comes with an on off switch. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11451 times:

The USA are the prime target of global terrorism, the A380 a European product that will be mostly operated by airlines from countries who do not invade whole countries (or do not support that) to fight terrorism.
Besides that I do not think that terrorists would choose a certain airliner for their horrible "work" logic has it that a 777 would be a far more fitting object ...

But, paranoia doesn´t help nobody. Somehow I´m getting tired of all those threads here who try to downwrite the A380s success and rightful existence.
There is so much obvious envy and jealousy in it.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11406 times:

DTW - I think most things non American annoy Americans, and to a much lesser extent vice versa.




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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11365 times:

Meow!!!!!!!!!

Need plenty of saucers of milk for this one chaps!

Ring the milk marketing board for extra supplies!

Grow up boys and stop being silly.

Andy  Nuts



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User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11357 times:

Great topic, as Udo mentioned. Lets stop building skyscrapers, cruise ships, planes with more than 400 seats, airports with more than lets say 1,000 passengers a day, etc.

Have put this terror target onto the Number5 list of "good" reasons to avoid the 380.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1901085/

How many people did an AA767 kill?

@Flyssc: "Let's all stay at home, buy tons of kalashnikov, close doors and windows, and pray !!! "
Don't make this suggestion, gas masks have been sold out in lots of US shops before Iraq War began because people believed what US admin said.

So there is no need to make panic, it's a tawdrily propaganda - shameless.




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User currently offlineDTWA320 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11344 times:

I believe that's a valid point, BestWestern. On a personal level European or world "things" don't annoy me at all. I still get up every other weekend, and watch the F1 races from Europe, and beyond. And I may one of the few Americans on A.net looking forward to the A380... something I've been looking forward to for a very long time. Some Americans may "tune out" those countries we have disagreements with, but I believe most of us are perceptive to what the world has to say.

User currently offlineCouzinet70 From France, joined Dec 2004, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11338 times:

Could you please have the decency to let this plane roll-out of his factory, be presented to the press and to the great team of people & supliers who have built it before talking about his destruction !!!!!!!!!

And please, for the sake of aerospace industry and airlines, let's not play with topic like these. I really do not undertand your motivation Flybyguy ??????


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 854 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11240 times:

"BE AFRAID.........BE VERY AFRAID"!!!

The US paranoia is spreading like wildfire on this topic!! Jeeeehhhh, watta bunch of cow manure.

Micke/SE  Insane



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11214 times:

Why worry???

The peace of mind of say a few thousand individuals isn't going to do anything to Airbus's proposed production plans of the A380, so i suggest not worrying about it. If you feel unsafe about don't fly it!

Chris



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User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11152 times:

It seems that as the A380's entry into service gets closer, as it looms larger on the world stage and as the day appoaches when it supplants the 747 as the Queen of the skies, it seems to annoy those people who suffer from Not-invented-here-syndrome (NIHS) more and more. There has been a constant stream of drivel about potential problems, failures etc. about the A380. Where are the true airliner fans, those that are excited about flight, those that can appluad the engineering effort being made to build such a beautiful machine as the A380. Lets celebrate this achievement just as we did when the 777 was born and many others before it. This time, the biggest and best comes from Europe, get over it people. Shove all the politics and nationalistic claptrap up where the sun don't shine!

GU



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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11082 times:

I contrast to most others in this thread, I do think that among all types of a/c the A380 is the most attractive for terrorists and many terrorists dream about attacking one.

However, past 9/11 safety standards are high and attacking an a/c became extremely difficult for terrorists anyway. There is no absolute safety, but the risk is very low.

And the point there Udo is right is that we should never allow terrorists to dictate us what to do and what not to do, so continue to build skycrapers, big planes, etc.

A350



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11046 times:

I am getting really bored with these "Anti" A380 forums, where do people get some of this shit from!

In Japan many 747-400's are flown in an all Y configuration and these hold 500+ passengers, you dont hear any scare mongering about these and possibility if one of these crash.

If they are such terrorist threats why in the 9/11 tradegy did Al-Queda not use the 777 or 747 for maximum impact???

We should be celebrating engineering and technology at its finest! Regardless of if it is an Airbus or Boeing aircraft, this is one of the most exciting things to happen in civil aviation since the launch of the 747 or Concorde.


25 NoUFO : Terrorists may dream of attacking an A380 but size is secondary. First rule is that they will be able to carry out the act of terrorism "successfully"
26 Dayflyer : I think that the operators, manufacturer and airport authorities have already developed comprehensive anti-terror plans for the aircraft.
27 Goomba : The terrorists targeted the 757 & 767 aircraft on 9/11 because that's the aircraft type that they were able to get some level of training on. Also to
28 N79969 : I agree with the Airbus crowd on this one. To argue that the A380 presents some greater risk because terrorists would be drawn to it is absurd. As som
29 NumberTwelve : N79: "I do not think we should let terrorists or the fear they seek to spread determine how large an airplane should be." This already happened, N79,
30 NumberTwelve : Cwapilot: who is interested in your political statements? And concerning Udo's "rant": He's just tired (as lots of people here) to hear all this paran
31 Cwapilot : Apparently the people who posted their nonsense in the above posts, since they can't expect to post them without having them responded to. Don't fault
32 NumberTwelve : Cwapilot, forget it, watch Fox and agree with us: the Terror theory is nonsense.
33 Cwapilot : I already agreed the terror theory is nonsense...why bring up your Fox nonsense again? I will continue to watch Fox/CNN and all of the other news sour
34 Ltbewr : Why should the A380 or any aircraft be any more of a target than Times Square in NYC or the mall area of Washington, DC or central London by use of a
35 CarbHeatIn : Are we allowed call the A380 the "Queen Mother of the Skies"?
36 Cwapilot : Are we allowed call the A380 the "Queen Mother of the Skies"? -If the "Queen Mother" is named Bertha...although the nose section does give more of an
37 Alphascan : AMEN, Cwa, AMEN. Thank you for your level headed, backed up with evidence, no nonsense, mature response(s). If everyone on this board would have back
38 Alessandro : So how many successful hi-jacking after 010911? If you want to crash into a major building why not hi-jack an AN-124 instead?
39 BAtripleseven : The A380 hasnt even been off the groud yet...
40 Petazulu : I like the A380, but I don't think it is a silly thing to bring up that the A380 is a juicy target for terrorism. So is a 747. the bigger than plane,
41 Udo : He's just tired (as lots of people here) to hear all this paranoia which is spreaded and to hear all those 380 disaster theories. Thanks, NumberTwelve
42 Daedaeg : Here we go again. People are whining because someone asked a simple question. I read the question 3 times and in no way did he imply that he was again
43 Post contains images Udo : @Udo: gern geschehen, but: the Green party isn't as horrible as you discribe, even if you are a serious journalist. lol Uhh, let's get over it. Btw, I
44 Iowa744fan : I believe that NA and NoUFO hit the nail on the head for my argument. I would say that the A380 is not likely to be that much of a terror threat. Yes,
45 NoUFO : I think the thread starter posted a valid question regardless of how easily we negate a seriously higher risk the A380 may be exposed to. Before this
46 Aerosol : Glidescope you seriously need help or I do not understand your kind of humour.
47 Flybyguy : I meant no offense to my European counterparts. I simply had a concern that some people I knew brought to my attention. If one looked at my history of
48 Jaysit : An A380 at a 70% payload carries just as many persons as a fully loaded 744 - about 400 each.
49 NightFlier : My feeling is this and I am sure everyone will agree. All aircraft are targets for terror. The only aircraft that are not targets for terror are the o
50 Post contains images TWAMD-80 : Let me clarify my previous post (post 3). Terrorists will likely aim to inflict the most amount of casualties in a dramatic way, whether in an attack
51 Post contains images Udo : Wait till things start to go south in Russia. What on earth are you talking about? You won't have time to degrade the Ugly Americans. Nobody would dar
52 UAL747DEN : I agree that the A380 will be just as safe as any other plane but I am sick of all the people that think that we are so paranoid here in America. Most
53 Tom_eddf : France and Germany are not in direct support of the United States in the Iraq situation and the US war on terrorism, so attacking Air France or Luftha
54 KBOS : On another note.... If they desired a 747 on that day they wouldn't have been able to get one out of Boston that morning. Most heavies arrive in the a
55 Post contains images Sunilgupta : Arguments such as this against the A380 are unnecessary… the aircraft should be banned on looks alone Sunil
56 Post contains images Thrust : They may not have been able to get a 747 out of Boston that morning, but they could have gotten a 777
57 UAL747DEN : This is getting crazy, For all you people that keep saying that the A380 cant be hijacked because its not an American plane I would like to ask you a
58 AC345YYZ : Aither, can we please stick to the topic here and not be getting into the whole France v.s USA thing, im sure we are all sick of this and this is way
59 EZEIZA : I don't think the thread is an anti Airbus thread, its just a proof of the paranoia ruling most people in the US. 9/11 was terrible, but it is so obvi
60 Sevenair : The terrorists targeted the 757 & 767 aircraft on 9/11 because that's the aircraft type that they were able to get some level of training on. Also to
61 Flying Belgian : The tons of paranoia crap of some U.S members is sometimes amazing and concerning !!! Should I translate it as hidden jealousy ? Do you sometimes ackn
62 DTWA320 : I'm American, I live in America. I guess the only people that think we're paranoid are those that don't live here. I certainly don't see it!!
63 NoUFO : For all you people that keep saying that the A380 cant be hijacked because its not an American plane Who said so?
64 EZEIZA : "I'm American, I live in America. I guess the only people that think we're paranoid are those that don't live here. I certainly don't see it!!" Try go
65 DTWA320 : The government and it's agencies are the one's that need to be paranoid, we as Americans citizens are not overly concerned about terrorism doing our d
66 Post contains links EZEIZA : Don't know about the citizens, but something is really screwed up ovet there: A couple of days ago a top official of the Argentine government (Bielsa)
67 777STL : "They may not have been able to get a 747 out of Boston that morning, but they could have gotten a 777" They chose the 757 and 767s based on the fact
68 Lehpron : >>"If they are such terrorist threats why in the 9/11 tradegy did Al-Queda not use the 777 or 747 for maximum impact???"
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