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Japan Air Lines Maybe Orders 50 A-320 Aircraft  
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10059 times:

Heard on CNBC, will find link.


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9923 times:
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Not yet though Mr Leahy from Airbus was quoted yesterday as saying that the RFP they had responded to from JAL was for 50 A320 series. JAL has nothing on their website yet but will be interesting given they obviously moved forward their decision on the 7E7.

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User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9911 times:

If confirmed, will be surprising penetration of A to B stronghold. Real surprise.


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User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9892 times:

not heard or seen anything about this, JAL is set to sell it's entire fleet of Airbus planes in the near future, this is a suprising move if it proves to be true.


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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9872 times:

G'day

Not quite yet!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1518&ncid=1518&e=1&u=/afp/20050113/bs_afp/japanairjalairbusboeingcompany_050113075918

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9836 times:

WHAAAT!!!!!!

U gotta be kidding?? Feeling my bloodpressure rising...JAL, of all carriers??

Since when did JAL need 50 narrowbody a/c? Dont belive it til I see it in b/w.

Micke



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User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9763 times:

i'd think JL would lean the 737's way, they've been quite clear in the fact that they are going to dispose of the airbus fleet gained from JAS, not sure what they'd want with a single aisle A320. they have a widebody fleet, this will be interesting to see.


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

I would be surprised if they buy the A320s. They already have a few 734s in their mainline fleet. They have a few more in their JEX and JTA fleets. I would put my money on Boeing. Some of these 150 have to be replacements for the JAS MD80s and MD90s. How many did they inherit?

The article mentions, "Geoffrey Tudor (JAL) said JAL saw a need for single-aisle aircraft for the growth of its domestic network, particularly in light of the expansion of Haneda airport near Tokyo.

Haneda, Asia's biggest airport, is primarily for domestic flights and is set to open a fourth runway in 2009, expanding by 40 percent its number of takeoff and landing slots."


HND might be expanding but so is Japan Rail which is in direct competition with JL and NH. Is there really a need for that many aircraft on domestic routes when almost every major city on the big three islands will be accessible by shinkansen not long after the HND expansion is complete?



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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9568 times:

I have the feeling politics play a major role in aircraft orders placed by JAL.

So perhaps they want to stay friends with the EU.

Not filling a WTO complaint for the enormous Japanese government subsidies for the Boeing 7E7 was a good start & perhaps even part of the deal..



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9548 times:

Boeing needs to fight tooth and nail for this order. If JAL orders the 320, that will establish an airbus relationship far more likely to result in a 380 order than without.

If Boeing is ever going to bargain on price, now is the time.



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User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

it'd be hard for JL to go past boeing, JL has invested alot in the design and layout for the 777 and 7E7, the relationship is solid and as i said JL is looking to offload the Airbus fleet inherited from JAS.

interesting to see the outcome.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9472 times:

If this agreement does go through then Boeing will loose their last stronghold. I think JL will go for the B737 considering the strong links between Boeing and Japanese companies, but I guess we'll just have to wait...

Horus




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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9363 times:

Maybe the trade deficit Japan-US plays also plays a role in these multi billion contracts.

How is the trade deficit with Japan lately? $7 Billion ?
(that is $7b .. a month  Wow!)



User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9272 times:

Despite Keesje's inane innuendo, JAL is a private corporation that is not owned or operated by the government. The same independence does not apply in the case of Airbus.

User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9216 times:

Airbus are on a major roll at the moment!

User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

The thread title is completely misleading. The link you refer to only states that there is a 50% that JAL may go for the 320 over the 73G, which is pretty obvious, as they are the only two completing aircraft.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9107 times:

JoseMEX-CNBC has been reporting all morning that they received a report that JAL has decided to go with the A-320. Somehow, this hasn't made it onto their website, however, the thread title is NOT misleading if CNBC has their facts straight.


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9078 times:

Nothing in the WSJ. Until I see it there, it's bunk.  Big grin


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User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

The thread title is very misleading. All that Airbus said was "They have 50/50 chance." I think JAL buying A320s seems very far fetched to say the least.

JAL's current plan is to cut cost by simplifying it's fleet structure. They will accomplish this by finding one fleet type for aging MD-90/81/87s that they acquired from JAS. Lets not forget that JAL has subsidiary called JAL Express (JEX) that has been showing growth in the past few years. They operate all B737-400s that also needs to be replaced in the near future. They already have the "know-how" of operating the B737s. Why would they go for A320s? If they really liked A320s they would have purchased them about 10 years ago to satisfy this niche.

All I can say is that JAL is absolutely into Boeing. They love the latest addition of B777-300ERs because it's so efficient and cheaper to operate than their current fleet of B747-400s. For medium market, it is likely that B767-200/300/300ERs will eventually be replaced by B7E7s. This airplane supposed to be cheap as hell to operate too. And my money is on new generation B737 for small market domestic shorthauls. Why wouldn't they? It all makes sense to me.

A380's? We have to wait and see on that one.

TokyoNarita.



User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8977 times:

When Airbus designates a market, such as LCC, to be "strategic", price is no object for Airbus. If LCC such as Easyjet is "strategic" well then so is Japan Airlines.

I would not be surprised if Airbus offers a price so very low that JAL will not rationally be able to reject it. Through the wonders of cost accounting and the benefits of real friendly "stakeholders", any loss on the sale can be allocated away to the A400M, sales of golden-gilded private jets to Arab sheikhs, and some fancy lunches that I am sure Foeregard and Leahy eat on the company expense account.

On the other hand, I think Airbus has a decent shot with JAL with the A380. Singapore Air, Air France, and other premium airlines plan to operate it into Tokyo. If the A380 does what Airbus claims it will and can draw high-yield customers away, then JAL will strongly have to consider the A380. And so will ANA.


User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8890 times:

Another Airbus PR coup. Even the possibility of this gives me the willies. As someone has said in an earlier post, this is the time to negotiate on price for the 737.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

Its an article in Yahoo / Aviation news about JL and 320, it say 50/50......

Micke



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8842 times:

If JL does order the A320 (but will it be A319, A320 or A321), they better have one heck of a deal on spare parts from Airbus. Of course, given that JL is a major customer for GE engines, the A320's JL buys will all be using CFM56 derivatives.  Smile

User currently offlineRobcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8778 times:

Look what it says: Airbus executive vice president John Leahy told the Nihon Keizai Shimbun from Paris in the daily's Thursday evening edition that Airbus was competing with Boeing to replace about 50 older planes in the JAL fleet. Airbus believes it has a 50-50 chance of winning the order of that size, a person close to the negotiations told AFP.


No s**t! Really, I didnt know that it was either Airbus or Boeing, and it was either 737 ar A32X.

Source:AFP - French News Agency. Interviewed: Airbus executive vice president

Now ook at the title of the article on the webpage, and how its all portrayed out.

Hmmm.
I smell "bias" in the air.




User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8594 times:

Still no mention on WSJ's page. This smells to me like a press agency drinking too much kool-aid.


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25 Xkorpyoh : If they choose the A320 might seem that is based on political reasons, so they can get the EU off their back about the 7E7 subsidies. Or is it part of
26 Clickhappy : maybe JAL is doing a Lufthansa...playing Airbus against Boeing to get a better price. Who knows. It would be odd that JAL would want the A320 after AN
27 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : Also on Reuters, through http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1105612720.html January 13, 2005 Japan Airlines is in talks to buy up to 50 Airbus' A320 p
28 Columba : "maybe JAL is doing a Lufthansa...playing Airbus against Boeing to get a better price. Who knows. " Well in my new Webster´s dictionary "doing a Luft
29 KEESJE : Well IMO it is impossible that the Airbus 320 is selected for other reasons then price.
30 QuestAir : If Airbus DID win the JAL order, the two biggest airlines in Japan would each be repesented by the two largest commercial aircraft companies in the wo
31 Post contains links M27 : As is mentioned in the other thread on this subject where this article from a newspaper is posted http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArti
32 S12PPL : Why would JAL buy Airbus, when they have such a partnership with Boeing???! That makes no sense.
33 RoseFlyer : It would be really weird for JAL to buy A320s while their primary competitor is phasing them out of service. I wonder if this is at all about product
34 Laxintl : Would be pretty interesting if JAL already a B737 operator really went for the A320 series while ANA is in the process of dropping its current A320s f
35 Post contains images Scbriml : Why would JAL buy Airbus, when they have such a partnership with Boeing???! I'm sure people said the same thing about BA, LH, UA, etc. etc.
36 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Of course, given that JL is a major customer for GE engines, the A320's JL buys will all be using CFM56 derivatives. ...JL has a much longer/stronger
37 N328KF : This title is completely asinine. It could just as easily say "JAL maybe orders 50 B737 aircraft" and have precisely the same meaning.
38 Glideslope : "Not filling a WTO complaint for the enormous Japanese government subsidies for the Boeing 7E7 was a good start & perhaps even part of the deal.." OMG
39 Post contains images Airbus Lover : RayChuang I'm sure Airbus will give a heck of a sweet deal for 50 frames like what they did with AK's 40+40 frame order. So sweet AK was in a shock an
40 Carpethead : JL isn't about the replace its 20-odd fleet of Airbus A300-600R anytime soon. The 7E7 order may replace these or its older 767s first. Who knows, its
41 Dimsum : I agree, the A320 might come out on top, especially if Airbus decides to give them away at their usual flea market prices. However, I'm all for boeing
42 Co737800 : If I was Boeing now is the time to take a loss and sell to JAL at lower then cost. They have to keep JAL
43 B-HOX : JAL has always been a loyal Boeing customer. I find it surprising that they might be interested in the A320. Hey Wil welcome to the forums !! yes imag
44 Ha763 : I find the containerized cargo ability of the A320 overrated. The A320 uses a special ULD, the LD-3-46, which is a cut down LD-3 with contours on both
45 Trvlr : I think the real PR coup here is that Airbus has succeeded in making a news story about something that shouldn't be news to anyone. Airbus competing f
46 Dimsum : >If I was Boeing now is the time to take a loss and sell to JAL at lower then cost. They have to keep JAL
47 Aeronuts : Hold the news release. "In an effort to safe money, the US Air Force is in discussion with FedEx and Airbus to secure a large A380 order to replace th
48 Carfield : This is a really surprising report, especially ANA has just decided to switch from Airbus A320 to Boeing 737NGs. JAL is traditionally a strong Boeing
49 Post contains images Dimsum : >Even if JAL buys the 50 A320s, it is still a mainly Boeing operator. Don't worry B fans! It is just a relatively small part of JAL's fleet
50 Adria : "But for pilots, the type rating is the same as the classics and the screens can be configured to display information the same as the classics. ".....
51 EnviroTO : JAL didn't marry Boeing, they bought aircraft from them. I really don't get why brand loyalty is brought up whenever an airline goes to buy a plane. A
52 Post contains images LifelinerOne : "In an effort to safe money, the US Air Force is in discussion with FedEx and Airbus to secure a large A380 order to replace the aging DC-10s and C-17
53 NumberTwelve : The magic word is "Maybe" - maybe they do, maybe they don't. I don't understand why this produces nightmares in Seattle or in airliners.net-world. Isn
54 PANAM_DC10 : The magic word is "Maybe" - maybe they do, maybe they don't. Exactly Isn't it realistic and wise for JL to think about all the possibilities they have
55 Aviasian : Airbus has been knocking on the doors of JAL and ANA for the longest time, and these doors have the creak open at some point in time. Recent A320 fami
56 PlaneSmart : Well said EnviroTO. Like trucking, car rental and shipping companies, airlines should operate what best meets their needs (routes, loads, airport size
57 Knoxibus : As Panamn_DC10, said, this subject was brought during the Airbus Press conference held on 12th January. A japanese reporter asked Forgeard about link
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