MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 16 Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3505 times:
Singapore's SALE Mulls Plans To Buy Additional Aircraft
Lee's comments follow a Straits Times report Thursday that said SALE is looking to buy between 30 and 50 new aircraft, and that it is already evaluating proposals from Airbus (ABI.YY), Boeing Co. (BA) and Brazil's Embraer for single- aisle planes with more than 100 seats.
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12337 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3432 times:
I would suggest that Boeing send some of it's best 737 salespeople on the next flight from SEA to Singapore....Smaller versions of 737 would be good for them, as well documented throughout the world.
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3416 times:
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Well, I was kind of hoping that Boeing would have a 717 sales guy over there, just a wish & a dream.....
D950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
And why not try to help the great folks in Long Beach with a 717 proposal, which by their own marketing, is the best 100 seat aircraft in the world!!
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Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3373 times:
Expect an order for Embraer 190/195s... Likely the best positioned and most economic planes in the 100-seat category. Both the 737-600 and A318 clearly lose out here - and another lessor order here won´t change fortunes for these planes. And the 717... well, no need to keep this line going. Just shut it down.
Dayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3304 times:
Airtran likes the 717, so does Midwest. It is a fine aircraft that needs to be priced aggressively for this order; but I do think that it is a losing proposition to float the 737-600. The A-318 is not good for the same reasons. I see it as between the EMB190 and the 717 for those reasons. Even if Boeing loses money on the 717 on this one order, it is needed to keep the line open and for PR. Besides Airtran will order more in the future, I think they have 6 left to recieve.
StarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3197 times:
Why would a low cost airline operate those Embraers, especially in Asia?
My bet is the 737NG series or even more likely, the A320 series, because SilkAir already operates them. A LCC in Asia needs capacity and comfort, even on longer flights. Nothing against RJs. But they are simply not suited for the mass market or LCCs.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3078 times:
Boeing reps are already in Singapore.
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Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
SALE is an Airbus client already, but diversification would be a good idea if they want to expand.
My money would be on Embraer grabbing this one with their hot new products.
Starflyer
SALE stands for Singapore Aircraft LEasing. They are not an airline as such, and lease aircraft globally. Not just to LCCs but full service and charter carriers.
PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
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I believe SALE will most likely buy from more than one manufacturer. They only have 13 deliveries of A320 through to early 06, most of these are placed. Given that a few LCC have recently ordered A320 series in the region they'll need to at least order some more A320 series to ensure their portfolio can meet growth. So we could see this as part of the 50 frame order.
Hailstone From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 398 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
no - they are not an airline, but SQ owns a substantial stake (35.5%) with the singapore government (thorugh government companies) hold another 29%.
essentially SALE is singapore / SQ
from www.saleleasing.com:
SALE is jointly owned by four shareholders. Singapore Airlines and German bank WestLB each hold 35.5% of the company, while Singapore government investment agencies Temasek Holdings and GIC each have a 14.5% share.
StarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2588 times:
Singapore Aircraft Leasing Enterprise, which is 35% owned by Singapore Airlines Ltd. (S55.SG), is evaluating plans to buy new planes amid surging demand from budget airlines and as it needs to replenish its stock of aircraft.
Whitehatter, to me it seems this order will be for "budget airlines". Hence the Embraers don't make sense in my opinion. Surely in Asia you could fill the 130 seats of an A319/737-700 use the budget business model.
PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2550 times:
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I saw a video Q&A with senior exectuves from SALE about this order. The 35% that is owned by WestLB was only recently aquired by them from Boullioun Leasing. The executives said that given no cross shareholding will be retained by Boullioun that they will not be working as closely as they did in the past and this is another reason why they'll need to enhance the size of their leasing portfolio. I reckon we'll see pretty much a split order overall between Airbus and Boeing and from the way these guys were speaking we may see a few widebodies as well. But most definately an add on order for A32X series.
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2475 times:
Whitehatter, to me it seems this order will be for "budget airlines". Hence the Embraers don't make sense in my opinion. Surely in Asia you could fill the 130 seats of an A319/737-700 use the budget business model.
It all depends where they are going to fly them.
Boeing reps are already in Singapore.
....and reps from Airbus are down there as well
Embraer has an office in Singapore
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Geizistgeil From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2437 times:
One a/c is definitely out (latest news from rati):
"Boeing has confirmed it is to end production of its 717 aircraft next year, noting it will incur a pre-tax charge of approximately $340 million as a result of the decision."
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 5488 posts, RR: 34 Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2310 times:
My bet is the 737NG series or even more likely, the A320 series, because SilkAir already operates them.
I had to double check but I'm quite sure that all the articles state that SALE is looking for 100-seat aircraft... not for 135-seat aircraft.
A LCC in Asia needs capacity...
See above.
...and comfort, even on longer flights.
Let's see... the E190/195 have only 2-abreast seating, and the seats and aisle are wider than on the 73G and A320... could you explain just how this makes the E-jets... uncomfortable... particularly on longer flights?
Nothing against RJs. But they are simply not suited for the mass market or LCCs.
OK, I guess that B6 is NOT an LCC, or that AC is NOT a major airline.
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RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7696 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
I think with the 717-200 now out of the picture, expect SALE to finalize an order for 30-50 Embraer 190/195 planes before this year ends. I think most of those Embraers will be leased to airlines in Indonesia who need to fly to all those smaller islands from Jakarta in addition to the larger single-aisle planes now used.
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