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Pilot Arrested for operating under the influence  
User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 581 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

This is just being reported on the Las Vegas news. Thought I would pass it on.

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=2805841&nav=15MUUi4B

An Air Tran pilot is under arrest in Las Vegas. Metro says, a TSA employee smelled alcohol on the pilot's breath when the pilot was passing through security. Police boarded the plane and made an arrest. McCarran airport officials say, they're proud of the security guard who contacted authorities.

Although no information on flight is available at this time, FL 1780 LAS-ATL, 12Jan, 11:45p-6:33am, is showing cancelled. There was a ferry flight, FL 8300, LAS-ATL, 13Jan, 12:47pm-7:07pm




If not now, then when?
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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

On the lighter side

That is why they put the wavy line on the taxiway


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User currently offlineL104me From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8580 times:


Here's More

Police officers boarded an Atlanta-bound AirTran flight in Las Vegas early Thursday morning where they arrested a 38-year-old pilot after a screener smelled alcohol on his breath.

Pilot Oliver Reason Jr., is suspected of having a blood alcohol level above the legal flight limit. He has been charged with the operation of an aircraft while under the influence.

"At no point was the flight under the captain's command," said Tad Hutcheson of AirTran Airways.

The Orlando-based airline subsequently cancelled Flight 1780 destined from McCarran International to Hartsfield-Jackson and removed all of the 60 passengers from the plane. Other flight accommodations were made.

The ordeal started just after midnight when a Transportation Security Administration screener reported smelling alcohol when the pilot passed by. Police were then notified and went to the gate, only to find out Reason had already boarded the plane. He was arrested in the cockpit.

AirTran officials said Reason was a member for the Federal Flight Deck Officer Program, run by the TSA, which allowed him to carry a weapon.

A spokesperson for the Orlando-based airline said the airline immediately contacted the Federal Aviation Administration about the incident. The FAA has made a medical certification suspension and started an emergency review.



User currently offlineNikv69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

I am just watching the story on the NBC's affilate channel 3 here in IFP. WOW! Arrested and taken off the plane in cuffs in front of everyone. What the hell is going on Air Tran? Unreal.

User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7566 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8483 times:


This is not limited to Air Tran.

There was a BA pilot caught yesterday.

Some people do not seem to understand the rules.


User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

Maaan, this is very bad PR for companies. The jokes are still going around about the guys from AmericaWest.


Flying is a privilege!
User currently offlineNikv69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8388 times:

Being someone who is learning to fly in a small Piper and also someone who would kill to fly a big commercial jet I have to say that pilots should never be anywhere near alcohol before a flight. Pilots have to be held the highest standard. This person is an idiot and should be fired, I saw the story rerun just now and they say Air Tran has suspended him. If proof exists he climbed into the cockpit to fly under the influence he should be never allowed to fly commercially.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8314 times:

He should also be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Ya'll know that the 747 captain from NW got his wings back and his job back. Granted he pay his dues and I understand that he heads the anti alcohol/drug abuse program. He also had to write a huge petition to the judge for a pardon. But this is not the first I hear of someone getting back in after a full conviction.


Flying is a privilege!
User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13086 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8237 times:

There is no doubt that alcohol and flying doesn't mix. Yet, many commercial pilots over the years have had (and few still have) problems with and addiction to alcohol and have clinical alcoholism. Just about everyplace in the world are becoming far less tolarant of the abuse of alcohol at their workplace and elsewhere in their lives and and have developed far less tolarance to it's misuse. You have to seriously question a person who would dismiss their responsibilty, the enjoyment of being able to fly, the decent pay and the costly time and money investment they made to become a pilot by comming to work intoxicated. Maybe what they have to do is put some of these clowns like this pilot upon conviction to spend some time in a real jail for their criminal and irresponsibility beheavor.

User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

The best thing to all this is that the turd was even carrying a gun!!! I guess he thought he was "Home on the Range"..... sad, cowboy....

Say goodbye to your career- I hope it was worth those last $1 Busch Lights...

 Big grin



I do, I don't, whatever.......
User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8102 times:

It's amazing how mad people can get. If you assume that pilots are representative of the general population, then you have to accept the fact anywhere from 3%-5% of the pilots have a substance (alcohol) problem. That's what it is in the general population. If you look at specific careers it tends to be even higher.

Secondly, as post 9 alluded to, alcoholism is considered a disease. Like it or not, that's a medicat fact. ALPA and most airlines have worked together to make sure situations like this don't happen. Sending someone to jail isn't going to make any difference, depriving them of their career isn't going to make any difference either.

The problem is situations like this tend to get very emotional. And any sort of rational approach tends to get pushed to the side.



User currently offlineCopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1083 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

The best thing to all this is that the turd was even carrying a gun!!! I guess he thought he was "Home on the Range"..... sad, cowboy....

I missed something here Mtnmanmakalu, where does it say he was armed? The postings here say he was a member of the Federal Flight Deck Officer Program, which permits him to carry a weapon. I see nothing to indicate that he was actually carrying one.

Did I miss something?

Pilot Oliver Reason Jr., is suspected of having a blood alcohol level above the legal flight limit. He has been charged with the operation of an aircraft while under the influence.

"At no point was the flight under the captain's command," said Tad Hutcheson of AirTran Airways.


Can he be charged with "operation of an aircraft..." when "at no point was the flight under the captain's command."? UNless perhaps, it was under the command of the first officer and the "pilot" was acting as a crewmember.

More likely, the flight was under the captain's command, even though it was still parked at the gate.

After reading the CNN story, it is even more confusing:

The pilot has been suspended from his duties as a federal flight deck officer, which had allowed him to carry the firearm, the TSA said.

It does not say that he actually had one in his possession!





[Edited 2005-01-14 06:16:17]

User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8045 times:
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Reminds me of an old joke....

Q: How many <<< insert name of airline currently in the news >>> pilots does it take to fly an airplane?



















A: Two and a fifth.



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User currently offlineN867bx From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Weren't ALL THREE pilots on NW 727 intoxicated? And they actually flew the plane. I guess there isn't much to do in Fargo.

Yes, alcoholism is a "disease" but I think someone with this sort of "disease" should find a new line of work. There are plenty of diseases which would disqualify one from being an airline pilot, why should this "disease" be any different. Hell, you can't even deliver a pizza for Domino's if you have a DWI, even if you received it off duty. Why should we hold an AIRLINE PILOT to a lower standard than a pizza delivery guy.


User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

N867bx,

Who said anything about a different standard? If you had a heart condition or some other medical problem would you seek treatment? I would venture to say yes. ALPA has worked for years to implement the program that is in place at most airlines.

I noticed your profile, I would imagine you would advocate the same standards for your profession then? I have worked for major airlines and have been in the hangers at all hours. There are problems there too, just like in the population as a whole.

Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it some day!


User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

Horrible, what makes it worse as someone said is he was armed.

Hawk44



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3619 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7937 times:

So the guy is an alcoholic because he had alcohol on his breath? Some of you people jump to conclusions too quickly.

I can drink a SINGLE beer and have the smell of alcohol on my breath, that doesn't make me an alcoholic, or drunk for that matter. Since the average age around here is 13, I'll assume most people didn't know that.

"The problem is situations like this tend to get very emotional. And any sort of rational approach tends to get pushed to the side."

My thoughts exactly.

-77



PHX based
User currently offlineNikv69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Philsquares,

There is no excuse for a pilot and alcohol. Diesase or not, these people are responsible for hundreds of lives. It's that simple. You have a problem, hand in your wings till you can get a handle on it. Emotional? You bet it is, having a huge number of people die for alcohol can not happen.


User currently offlineN867bx From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

Philsquares

I don't work in the industry anymore but I have ZERO tolerance for this sort of nonsense. ZERO tolerance when I was fixin planes and ABSOLUTELY ZERO tolerance now that I own a pizza store. There is simply too much at stake for everyone. I'm not saying we should shoot the guy, I'm saying he should get a new career. A career that does not put him in control of any type of vehicle. Screw his career, safety should come first. If this guy crashes (even sober and not his fault) the punitive damages awarded by letting this known "unfit pilot" fly a transport aircraft could bankrupt a company like Airtran.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

I just can't believe the stupidity some people have.

He should be fired and never be allowed to be a pilot for an airline ever again...



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 969 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

Haven't seen it in years, but this news story reminds me of the movie "The Pilot" with Cliff Robertson.


Maybe a new argument for pilots not to carry firearms?



LD4



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

Furthermore, I find the fact that the federal regulations allow for a pilot to have any measurable amount of alcohol in their blood when reporting for duty. Sounds like the FAA could take a hint from the Federal Railroad Administration and the Association of American Railroads (AAR). Railroad prohibition of working under the influence of alcohol or drugs predates federal requirements by decades. The predecessor to the AAR, the American Railway Association held annual conferences of railroad managers who drew up and made periodic changes to the ARA standard book of Operating Rules, which all member railroads adopted (essentially all of the railroads in operation). One of the principal work rules was Rule G. It simply stated that the use of intoxicants while on company property is prohibited and that employes reporting for duty while under the influence of intoxicants will be immediately dismissed. Many railroads also had company rules that forbade employees from entering establishments that served alcohol when in company uniform-concern for their public image. In fact, federal law forced the railroads to relax their rules. Now railroaders who have alcoholic problems and are caught on a Rule G violation cannot be immediately terminated if they are reported by a co-worker using the company's confidential reporting system and enter voluntarily into rehab. If they refuse, they can be terminated then. Airlines could gain a lot by examining how the railroads manage their employees.


"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

According to some people's logic here, if a pilot is an alcoholic the airline and passengers should suck it up, because the poor (wo)man has a disease.
Well, this is where I beg to differ, just like the case of the BLIND med student at the UW-Madison that I happen to know.
There is a limit as to what can be tolerated because the harm to innocent people is larger than the individual harm to the person whom might be "discriminated" against.
(Damn this argument sure sounds like a pro-Guantanamo stance..., although I would doubt that anybody there means too much harm)

Anyway, that guy should know better.
And dear 777STL, you need to drink more than one beer to FAIL a breathalizer test.

The guy should get hired and some laid-off pilot, whom lost his job due to no fault of his own should get hired.

But at least he could have defended himself in the ever so likely case that some Arab was on the plane, just waiting to kill innocent, Chirsitan, white, middle-class Americans...



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

Looks like the pilot in question was a F.F.D.O and was carrying his H&K .40 cal. when police arrested him in the cockpit. Will this in any question give question to allowing pilots to carry firearms on domestic hauls?

25 Tsully : On a positive note, I remember my dad (UA pilot) telling me about some commercial pilot (airline not known) whose flight had been delayed due to weath
26 Tsully : Looks like the pilot in question was a F.F.D.O and was carrying his H&K .40 cal. when police arrested him in the cockpit. Will this in any question gi
27 Ushermittwoch : Yes because a gun is the solution to all problems...
28 Tsully : Yes because a gun is the solution to all problems... Yes, you're spot on! A bullet between the eyes of a terrorist who invades the cockpit is the solu
29 Tsully : Yes because a gun is the solution to all problems... When you can convince the bad guys to play nice (i.e. without guns) you'll convince me that good
30 Scbriml : I'm speaking here of the poor unfortunate bobbies who are injured/killed each year after being SHOT by criminals who evidently never received the memo
31 NumberTwelve : @ Bush's poodle - do you get financial supports of weapon industry or why do you post that "weapon" statement?
32 Ushermittwoch : Well apparently you guys have ZERO faith in your US American born and raised, proud as can be TSA agents and the reinforced cockpit doors. But in your
33 Post contains images NumberTwelve : Usher, it's your fault when people here will talk about "... if 9/11 would have happened in Europe, you would ..." And this is what I am not intereste
34 Tsully : So no armed US police ever get killed then? Of course our cops get shot and killed all the time. But we sure as hell won't take their defenses away fr
35 Tsully : And this is what I am not interested to hear, we had Bader-Meinhoff and didn't play cowboy in the streets. Look, I'm not going to pull the "If 9/11 ha
36 Pelican : Airlines should make it clear that if you're drunk and want to enter a flightdeck you will be fired but if you're drunk and admit your fault you will
37 ATLhomeCMH : Skeptics will then realize that guns are a necessary evil. Fortunately for us in America, our politicians have already recognized this, hence the esta
38 Philsquares : Hmmm and the title of this thread is????????? And look where we are now. This is amazing. We have all these arm chair experts. I suggest everyone take
39 Jmc1975 : The title of your topic makes no sense.....what does "und" mean????
40 Goomba : Why in God's name would you risk your entire career by knocking back a few pops before you are due to fly a commercial airliner. If you are on schedul
41 Philsquares : I hate to burst everyone's bubble. However, I would like to remind everyone this person has not been convicted of anything. And until that happens he
42 Tsully : But what we have witnessed are a couple supposed Germans who apparently forgot that the relative freedom they live under comfortably was provided to t
43 777STL : "And dear 777STL, you need to drink more than one beer to FAIL a breathalizer test." Dear Ushermittwoch, one drink will fail a Breathlyzer as it is de
44 MD88Captain : Yeah, it is a disease. I guess. But in my mind it is a disqualifying disease. He should never fly again. And he should/and I'm sure will be held to th
45 777STL : "BTW. From another source I read that he failed a breath-test from the Las Vegas police." Alright. Let me be clear, I do think he should never see the
46 Post contains images Scbriml : But what we have witnessed are a couple supposed Germans who apparently forgot that the relative freedom they live under comfortably was provided to t
47 Haj96 : @Pelican: don´t you think allowing drunken pilots to admit their fault without any consequences would be an invitation for them to drink??? Just like
48 Ltbewr : To follow up on my suggestion that if a pilot is convicted or pleads guilty to attempting to FUI they should be made to spend some time in jail. Durin
49 Aa777jr : we must prepare FFDOs for every possible scenario. I called my CFI to discuss when I can fly again, and he mentioned to me if I had read anything abou
50 Post contains images Boeingfever777 : The title of your topic makes no sense.....what does "und" mean???? Yes it does, it makes plenty sense. "Pilot Arrested For Operating An Aircraft Whil
51 Jmc1975 : Boeingfever777, You're wrong and that's not how the yopic reads. It should read something like "Drunk AirTran Pilot Arrested at LAS". It would be dire
52 Copter808 : I hate to burst everyone's bubble. However, I would like to remind everyone this person has not been convicted of anything. And until that happens he
53 NW7E7 : Only 60 people! Do they still have an A320 on this segment or did they send those away and replace them with 737-700's? Either way that is a little le
54 Rtfm : OK, a couple of points here, and credit to Philsquares to being one of the few voices of sanity and reason on this thread... I have no desire to fly o
55 MD88Captain : Most airlines have programs for dealing with employees (including pilots) who are alcoholics. My airline has both professional assistance and mentorin
56 Post contains links Jc2354 : Airline officials put 38-year-old Oliver Reason Jr. on a flight from Las Vegas, where he is free on bond, to Atlanta. Upon his arrival, he met with hi
57 Post contains images Boeingfever777 : jmc1975 I'm wrong??? How you figure that being the topic name was change? Your the one that is wrong and you can't spell. Yes, he didn't fly the fligh
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