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AirTran Might Take Some Of The Free Gates At DFW!  
User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

In today's Fort Worth Star Telegram AirTran said that they would continue to increase service left by the void of Delta.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/10634707.htm

AirTran says they wont say cities yet, but the will in the near future!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Any guess on what cities might be added? I'm thinking MDW, SFO, DEN, TPA, BOS, CAK, LGA, maybe SEA, PDX, CUN, CZM

AirStatDFW

[Edited 2005-01-14 03:52:59]

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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

When is the full DL dehubbing of DFW take effect? How many flights will
DL have left at DFW after the pulldown? Will DL just have service to the
main hubs at ATL, CVG, and SLC left?



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

From what I read, 21 dailys after 1/31/05 to ATL, SLC and CVG.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Not a surprise at all, especially in light of the TZ deal falling through. Before the TZ deal, it was already thought that FL was going to increase their ops @ DFW once DL closed their hub operation there. DFW is probably going to give them a good deal on gates, and I'm willing to guess that the buildup they would have had @ MDW had they been able to get TZ's ops there will now be focused @ DFW.

As for cities, I'm guessing some of the following will be added (current or announced FL cities):

DFW-EWR
DFW-LGA
DFW-MDW
DFW-IND
DFW-TPA
DFW-SFO
DFW-MIA
DFW-PIT
DFW-BOS
DFW-JAX
DFW-DEN
DFW-SRQ


User currently offlineN839mh From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

Actually the correct number of Delta flights on Jan 31, 2005 will be 22

ATL - 13
SLC - 5
CVG - 4



Solodude!
User currently offlineNisson From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

Anyone know who will buy the delta maintance center,according to early report they were suppose to close it also by feb 05, any incentives by dfw officials to other carriers to lease it.

User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

Srbmod,

DFW-RDU should be on that possible list as well, with DL having already
stopped its DFW-RDU flights with ASA CRJ's, leaving AA with the only
nonstop DFW-RDU service.



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

I'm still hoping for FL to add DFW-PHL


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

I doubt they announce anything until closer to the earning conf. call. No doubt that they have something in mind somewhere, with 19 jets on the way this year. They might have been waiting on some type of development with FLYI or USAir before committing, but it looks like that will be pushed back 6 mos or so.
I wouldn't be surprised if they go after a failing carriers assets before bankruptcy rather than after, in light of what happened with the ATA deal. That's the problem with an auction type of scenerio, not always a bargin if you really want it and your competitors know you want it.


User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

I hope this happens for FL. I think expansion might be difficult due to AA's stranglehold on DFW, but critics said the same thing about DL and FL at ATL.

This would also be good b/c FL can give WN a run for their money in the Dallas market, especially considering FL has a better LCC product.

Best of luck to FL's possible ops at DFW.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17369 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

What are their plans given their dismal performance in DFW so far?


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

"What are their plans given their dismal performance in DFW so far?"

Are things that bad? If so, even free gates are no bargain. Of course Delta is still in the mix until the end of the month, so when they drop out, it should help. Maybe they are waiting to see how DL's exit will improve things before they add flights. Frequency some times builds traffic on it's own when you give passengers an option of more than 1 departure time. I've heard AA doesn't care about profits when it comes to keeping competition out of DFW.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

I could see FL doing the following.

BWI
PHL
PIT
MDW
CAK
BOS
EWR
DEN
FLL
MCO
TPA
ATL
LAS
LAX
SFO
SEA

Only my guess, though a certain amount of cities that WN can not serve from DAL!



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

13 gates is a bit too much, probably why this may take a while, even with the deadline that DFW had initially set for the incentives (forgot what it was, but something like 2wks.). I would believe FL is trying to negotiate the same incentives with less gates.

I would agree with RDU-DFW, on the fact that it is still a fairly large O&D market between both, plus with added connection markets such as DEN and LAS. I have no stats on it, but I can recall a large number of passengers flying RDU-ATL-DFW from personal experience at FL. Not to say it would give RDU another true low cost alternative from AA to DFW!



"Life is short, but your delay in ATL is not."
User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4260 times:
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"What are their plans given their dismal performance in DFW so far?"

The loads in and out of DFW have been great. It is near impossible to get there from ATL, and the other cities are coming along nicely. DFW has 1121 out of a possible 1404 seats filled today. That's a 80% load factor, not to dismal to me. Out of 702 available seats from DFW to ATL 676 are full today making for a 96% load factor, once again is that dismal? Check your facts before you judge an airlines operation. AirTran speaks softly, but carries a big stick. We may not be the golden child of the media, but we run a damn good airline.



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User currently offlineDadoftyler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

Airtran737,

ATL loads *are* spectacular. However, by your own numbers it looks like the non-ATL flights out of DFW have 445 out of 702 booked, or a load factor of 63%. They're longer stage lengths so you're further down on the CASM curve...but 63%'s not all that spectacular. But, even if it's not--it'll grow, particularly after January 31st.



User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Out of DFW-LAS, LAX, MCO, BWI, FLL which has been the most and least successful?

I'm surprised DFW-BOS, PHL, TPA are not in the mix.


User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

AirTran speaks softly, but carries a big stick. We may not be the golden child of the media, but we run a damn good airline.

That's the truest thing Ive read on this board all day!

"Every other start-up wants to be another United or Delta or American. We just want to get rich."

— Lawrence Priddy, ValueJet CEO, 1996.



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3397 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

I'd suspect if they do add cities it would be more florida cities, PHL, BOS, possibly PIT. I'd suspect places that WN can't fly into Love. Maybe some west coast cities to try to get transcon connections.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17369 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

"The loads in and out of DFW have been great"

ATL is doing well; I'll grant you that, but from the OD information that FL files, it looks like last year most of the other routes were running well below a 60% load factor, and often below a 50% load factor. Now they could be getting reeeeeally high yields but the chances of that are between zero and none.



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

They have to be doing something right in DFW. I noticed the other day that they are putting 3 73Gs to ATL (2 returning with 1 MCO - DFW). I would expect them to possibly add DEN, SFO and probably a new city out west (from both ATL and DFW). I also expect them to add somewhere in the northeast, bet chances are BOS and PHL and possibly 2 cities in the midwest. I would suspect CAK, DAY, MSP would all be in the running for these. It will be interesting to see what happens with them, they are definitely poised for yet another great year. Still wished I worked for them =)

Ryan


User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4092 times:
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New routes do tak a while to catch on. LAS has been a pretty good route, as well as LAX. BWI leaves a bit to be desires, but hopefully it will improve.


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User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

AirTran speaks softly, but carries a big stick. We may not be the golden child of the media, but we run a damn good airline

Amen, and that's why...

(a) You have a better LCC product than WN
(b) You'll continue to get my business...



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

I'm surprised about DFW-BWI being slow. They have two dailys, just figured they needed the 2nd departure.

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