JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 3432 times:
As of this morning, pilots in JAT have gone on a general strike. All outbound domestic and international flights are cancelled. Aircraft that are abroad will be repositioned to Belgrade in accordance to the regular flight schedule, and grounded thereafter.
The JAT pilots have a long list of demands, for which they have given the government ample warning. The list includes the payment of their wages for November and December, and the resignation of numerous directors that have not done much to simmer the on going problems between workers and management. This strike came nearly two months after the airline's Engineers and mechanics had a strike of their own, paralyzing operations for a few days.
The Serbian government is expected to respond with the possible appointments of new management.
Meanwhile, due to a recent engine fire on one ATR-72 as it was about to depart Belgrade, the fleet of regional aircraft has been grounded until the aircraft are re-check with the manufacturer. Since the grounding, JAT has re-introduced the Boeing 727 and additional DC-9's to fill the temporary void.
BEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 877 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 3341 times:
And, as of this morning, the US Department of State imposed "partial" economic sanctions, so that JAT cannot resume flights to the US that were scheduled for June 2005. The reason - no cooperation of Serbian Government with the Hague War Crimes Tribunal. If this doesn't hurt the government nothing will. The same kind of cr*p we have seen so many times before. And Department of State wants to punish the government, and not the people... Yeah, right.
Four groups in JAT have very different interests:
(1 and 2) Mechanics and engineers want their wages to be a certain percentage of pilots' earnings. So after all the strikes they had last Summer and Fall, they signed an agreement (kind of weird contract) with JAT's management determining the ways wages are calculated (% of pilots' wages).
(3) Pilots refuse this agreement because they don't want anyone's wage to be pegged on their own's. In addition, JAT's management claims that pilots do not have a representative union (?!?), and that's why they were not even asked to consider the above mentioned agreement. Now pilots want the whole management ousted!
(4) Flight attendants also announced they would start their own strike on January 20, and they also want their salaries to be a certain percentage of pilot's wages.
If something really serious isn't done soon, JAT will go down the drain. It's a shame how people (government, management, and employees) can destroy 77 year long tradition of this, once upon a time, great company.
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JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2212 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 3317 times:
The Government HAS to put this company out of its misery, fire everyone, sell the planes, sell the AOC and finally let somebody capable of running the Serbian airline business to do it.
Beef-up the real competition, allow Ryanair, easyJet and all the other carriers who want to fly to Belgrade but were prevented through JAT Management's gimmicks, to fly the people and let them travel without fear that they may actually be stuck somewhere 'cause someone is not happy with their terms of employment. I'd then really like to see if JAT employees would be as demanding when their business boards "the jets next door".
Serbia's most spoiled employees are again showing their disrespect for the very people who pay their wages - passengers. If they are not happy working for JAT, go, leave, resign...
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2212 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 3316 times:
imposed "partial" economic sanctions, so that JAT cannot resume flights to the US that were scheduled for June 2005. The reason - no cooperation of Serbian Government with the Hague War Crimes Tribunal. If this doesn't hurt the government nothing will. The same kind of cr*p we have seen so many times before. And Department of State wants to punish the government, and not the people... Yeah, right.
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 3209 times:
With regards to the staff in JAT, it is necessary to balance the salaries out in such a way that ensures a fair disparity between each profession. In my opinion it would be unacceptable for employees of one profession to receive a higher percentage increase in wages in comparison to another. At the same time I firmly believe that these disputes can be settled without strikes, since the company and passengers both lose. I am certain that JAT lost some valuable customers due to these strikes, and this should not be overlooked! However, the management will not escape without my strong criticism, since they did not do their job properly, by ensuring good relations with its employees.
With regards to the latest announcements from the United States government, it is their decision what comes in and out of their country. If I am not mistaken, according to the US embassy in Belgrade, no assistance will be provided to JAT, in relation to the planned resumption of flights to JFK in June. I wonder what exactly is that supposed to mean? In any event, it is up to the Serbian government as to what extent it is willing to cooperate with the Hague tribunal. In my opinion Serbia has done more than its fair share.
If Washington indeed wishes to keep JAT out of the United States because of an unrelated policy, then it is most certainly impeding with the virtue of democracy: the right to agree to disagree, and the free flow of thought, people, and goods. In this case, it's their loss as much as it is ours!
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2212 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
I doubt that this lease, as you say to ET, will be affected by the Belgrade strike. Pilots working on such contracts sign separate agreements and I'm almost positive that strikes are a big "no-no".
It appears as if some of the flights will operate again, JU 346 to Stuttgart may actually depart on time at 12:55 with the rest of international services to follow as normal, though Domestic services will remain grounded for now.
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2964 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
"Since the grounding, JAT has re-introduced the Boeing 727 and additional DC-9's to fill the temporary void."
Are these things safe to fly?!
I flew on both types in the 80's when they did UK charters to pring tourists to DBV, SPU and PUY. Back then they looked worn out, the cockpits were a mess with glass cracked on the dials, and cables hanging out of the facia of the cockpit.
It was an experience with the JAT Cabin Crew, back then they were the 80's equavalent to Ryanair and you was thought lucky if you had a delay of less than 2hrs. Amount of times we were stuck at LTN back then when I was a kid due to their aircraft going tech.
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2212 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3065 times:
JAT to LTN? Nope, maybe AGX, JAT only flew to LHR, while charters went to either to LGW and very occasionally to STN.
In the '80s, JAT 727s very barely a few years old hence no way that they were in the state you are mentioning, trust me, flew on the entire 722 fleet during the mid and late '80s and never saw any cockpits in the state you just mentioned.
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2964 times:
I really have a hard time understanding your question, and almost take it as an insult that you would question the safety these aircraft. Had these aircraft not been air-worthy, JAT would not be flying them.
It looks like the strike is holding strong. The flight attends may join the strike soon. Its no doubt that this strike will be very costly for the airline.
Dc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1554 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2872 times:
I flew JAT in November from BEG-CDG on a JAT 737-400. I suppose that particular aircraft was either an ex BA or US Airways 737. Service was good considering the load factor was nearly 100%. I saw a DC-9-32 taxi into the adjacent gate, it like most of JAT's fleet was all white. Loved the sound of the JT8s! Hopefully with new management JAT will have a new livery, anything but the Flying Circus colors.
Aleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 33 Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2876 times:
Interesting piece of information is that all pilots were given doctor's notice that states how unable they are to fly! Well, that should make things less complicated. If they are unable to fly, why don't they simply take a leave until they get better? How bad is their condition? If they are really in such a bad condition they should be grounded for good. There are lots of unemplyed pilots ready to jump in their places. I bet all Aviogenex pilots would be more than happy to fly for JAT for such salaries and they would also be closer to their families and not in Africa or Cambodia!
This strike made me REALLY angry!!! Salaries of JAT's pilots are way above the average salary in Serbia and it isn't enough! I believe that comparison would not be fair if JAT is an independent airline that has nothing to do with country's budget but it is not the case. So, what do they want? Money they did not earn? At any price? How? Maybe the government should simply stop subsidising expensive drugs, or maybe they should cut heating in hospitals, nursing homes, schools. Why not, everything for JAT's "sacred cows".
It is very possible that JAT flew to LTN in 1980s. They also flew charters. Take a look at photos of 727 and you'll see that many were taken at MAN, GLA and LGW.
Unfortunately, you are right. At that time JAT was also known as "joke about time" and very often FA were very rude and arrogant.
It's a million dollar question. While preparing the article on JAT for "Airline Review" in 2003, I simply couldn't find their annual report. The only one was from 2000/1 and it was a joke that showed not a single information on money spent or earned.
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
I think the financial situation in JAT is fairly stable. Their results from the past three years were by no means impressive, but they apparently managed to turn out a very minimal profit each year. The unfortunate thing is that the airline most likely made some handsome profits, but due to corruption, this is of course is never properly documented. Serbia has a long route to travel until it is able to weed out large scale corruption in it's state-run companies. The most significant problem in the Serbian economic and political model is the fact that the government appoints members from ruling political parties to head these companies. Many of these politicians have some form of education and qualification, however, this notion presents a huge opportunity cost when qualified experts (from within the companies) do not call the shots.
Within the last 4 years, JAT has gone through three separate management changes. One must recognize that every time a management change is made, the new director must impose himself/herself in the company by making different abstract decisions, thus leading the company (possibly) in a different direction. My best example of differences in management is the contrast between Vujovic and Milutinovic. Vujovic had the vision ascertaining JAT as a feeder to western carriers, renewed part of the fleet, attempted to divide the company (by forming a separate regional airline), but disappointed aviation enthusiasts when he adopted a new visual identity for the carrier. In the meantime, Milutinovic has changed the strategy into the vision of resuming transatlantic flights with leased 767's, attempting to accelerate the acquisition of new aircraft (Boeing 737 and Embaer 170), and revamping the visual identity. In principle I am supportive of the visions of Mr. Milutinovic, however, his poor relations with the employees does not make things easy. Perhaps Milutinovic came at the wrong time, since many of the union contracts expired last year.
At this point, probably the best thing for JAT would be to go into privatization, and introduce more competition for the airline market in Serbia in addition to competition between employees within the airline itself.
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2212 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
Good summary of JAT's two top men (past and present). The biggest difference between the two is the fact that Mr Vujovic has many years in the airline business unlike the current chief, Mr Milutinovic. This fact was/is very evident in that during Mr Vujovic's time, JAT had a far more solid and realistic plan than the one that has been floated with Mr Milutinovic's mandate. Mr Vujovic more realistically saw the real capabilities of JAT, he managed to make a lot of improvements in bring the airline back up again from its dormant period of the '90s, and adopted a slow but steady growth plan for the carrier, starting by eliminating the many obsolete and funds-draining departments and companies, streamlining the work force, refreshing the fleet with newer aircraft... Than comes Mr. Milutinovic and decides to "abandon the foundations and goes straight for the roof". C'mon, 767s? Flights to America and the Far East? Now?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a pessimist, rather a realist. How in the world can a small airline like JAT, with liabilities spanning more than USD 500 mill. even think of going long-haul and fighting with the "big dogs" before it "cleans house".
No disrespect to anyone but, JAT's crew look like an old-age home going on holiday, the planes are unpainted and tacky, the fleet is old in comparison to our neighboring carriers albeit in very good technical shape thanks to JAT Engineering, the work practices are still borne from the communist past, and I could go on and on.
At best, JAT should come to terms with a fact that it is no longer the national carrier of 25 million people. It should understand that its past glory is exactly that, the past! I am confident that Mr Vujovic's plan would have brought JAT far more closer to Europe and its standards even as a feeder carrier for a while. I'm not saying don't grow into a intercontinental carrier again, but start over, start again, start new and small, then watch it grow and watch it shine in the future, again, far brighter than ever before!
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2780 times:
In principle I have to agree with most of the things you said. I think that Vujovic was an innovative character, and had a very difficult job in trimming expenditures while improving service, public relations, modernizing the fleet, and bringing new technologies to the company. He had a rational plan, however, I totally disapproved of his idea of Intair Link. I think that he could have transformed JAT Airways into two divisions instead: low-cost and conventional air service. In this case, JAT could carry out low-cost flights to alternative destinations within its network instead of just on the regional level. In any event, Vujovic is a qualified individual, and came to the head of JAT because of his experience in the industry (with Lufthansa), rather than his political affiliations with politics.
Where you and I differ is the rationality of JAT resuming flights to North America, nonetheless because of the recent indications from Washington, such a dream will not be realized anytime soon. Nevertheless, I must credit Milutinovic for taking initiative on this matter.
Another positive step forward was the recent arrangement between JAT and a company in the UAE of finding a willing buyer for the original Airbus 319 contract signed in 1998.
With regards to acquiring new aircraft, the most appealing to me would be the possibility of JAT flying the Embaer 170. The aircraft is ideal for regional flights in addition to the fact that it is an excellent supplement to lower yielding routes that are flown with 737's. Such an aircraft can also improve flight frequency on other routes, thus promoting the possibility for more transit passengers going through Belgrade.
With regards to the JAT debt, I believe that the figure is around 300 million USD.
In any event, while we talk about truly constructive issues, these moronic unions are destroying a company with so much history, tradition, and prospects for the future.