FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4 Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14581 times:
According to Air et Cosmos magazine , both will be launch customers for this new version of the T7.
Since UPS cancelled A300-600Fs , moving to A380s , this paved the way for a 777-200LRF order.But for what ? Replace these cheap acquire MD11s ?
I do not really understand why they will add another airplane type to their fleet.
Surely for Air France T7Fs are the right size for Africa , where the 747-400F and ERF are too big.For many years now , they leased and still lease planes especially for the African market.But why LRF ? They do not need this range to reach Africa from their CDG hub.
Surely we can also put Eva Air in the T7F launch customers basket.
Lufthansa as already mentionned in other topics is not ready to be included.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 15267 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14323 times:
I'd be somewhat surprised to see the parcel carriers ordering new-build 772LRFs. Apart from the fact they'll be hugely expensive, they'll bulk out way before they get anywhere near max payload. They'd be using a very expensive plane to carry way less than it can.
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Daedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14195 times:
I'm not surprised with Air France, they seem to really love the 777. They even made a little presentation for the Boeing employees on the rollout of the 500th 777 celebration. It should be interesting to see who else joins in the fray for the 777LRF.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3808 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14178 times:
It's not that surprising. UPS will mainly use the 380 in asia where freight traffic is booming and landing slots are limited. In a few years all of UPS' 747's will be gone and the 380 will have to step in its place and replace current 747 routes as well as expand to new routes. The A300 will mainly be used for domestic freight the 772 will be used to Europe and current 747 routes that don't need the 380 and the 763 will be used for Europe as well. Don't know about the MD-11's, some people have mentioned that UPS could sell them back to Boeing possibly for these 772's.
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13386 times:
Well, would imagine with the 777 order that UPS will finally retire those DC8's. MD11 would be used to cover the 747 flying, 777 to cover the DC8 flying...... So, just a guess 747 & DC8's to be retired in the near future......
Rtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13218 times:
Good grief - AF stating that 'they seem to really love the 777. They even made a little presentation for the Boeing employees on the rollout of the 500th 777 celebration'. Seems terribly pro-Boeing of them (for a European carrier) .... whatever next...?
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 29203 posts, RR: 73
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11994 times:
>Replace these cheap acquire MD11s ?
I do not really understand why they will add another airplane type to their fleet.<
Because number of types does not mean as much to cargo carriers as it does to PAX carriers, just like fuel consumption. They can keep both planes. The problem with the MD-11 is that only 200 were ever built, and they are all accounted for (including those WFU or W/O)
>Surely for Air France T7Fs are the right size for Africa , where the 747-400F and ERF are too big.For many years now , they leased and still lease planes especially for the African market.But why LRF?<
At MTOW, because of the increased weights of freight carrying, you are talking 5200 nm range, which is still amazing in freight carrying context.
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DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1206 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11646 times:
Seems terribly pro-Boeing of them (for a European carrier) .... whatever next...?
Sorry... there are a good deal of people in this world (like AF) who don't make impulse decisions based on (pointless) "allegience" to a certain product because of its nationality.
AF stating that 'they seem to really love the 777. They even made a little presentation for the Boeing employees on the rollout of the 500th 777 celebration'
Well they are one of the largest 777 customers, was a launch customer for the 773ER, and recieved the first 773ER delivery. They are also one of the largest A320 opperators and an A380 launch customer... what's your point?
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: MidnightMike hit it right on the head. I see the 777 replacing the DC-8s as they are probably the oldest in the fleet.
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: The 333 wouldn't feature the same mission profile as an M11. Its payload would be signficantly lower (65ish tons) and range would be shorter. N
: I wouldnt be surprised to see in the future an order by ANA for B 772LR Freighters replacing B 763Fs currently in the fleet. ANA can not operate freig
: I seriously doubt UPS will up and retire all their DC-8s, you get a lot of bang for your buck on those aircraft. However I believe that a 777 aquisiti
: All you armchair CEO's crack me up! I love it how you guys speculate on what UPS should do. Here's the deal, UPS management has no philosophical probl
: Browntailwhale Oh have some fun dude, this is an aviation website and we are simply talking about airplanes. Most of us realize that change takes time