LUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
Well, it's not as if people from the west are driving east past both JFK & LGA to fly Southwest from ISP. Every airport has its niche, especially in New York. LGA & EWR is mostly for business travelers because these airports are easier to get to and from Manhattan than JFK. Like ISP, JFK (with the help of Jet Blue) is banking on leisure travelers who aren't willing to spend an arm & a leg to have some fun in sunnier and warmer destinations. I'm not saying that JFK & ISP don't handle any business passengers, but the majority is leisure.
As far as Southwest current codesharing flights, from the list I've seen, it's all destinations that Southwest does not currently fly to but ATA does.
John F. Kennedy International Airport: Where America Greets The World.
ExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
There shouldn't be any material impact on WN's ISP flights, maybe EXTREMELY minor cannibalization at the margins at worst.
You might get a handful of folks who live in western Nassau county who'd rather go to LGA than ISP, and the occasional Long Island resident who works in Manhattan and might go directly to LGA from the office rather than going to ISP from home. That's pretty much it.
WN's service at ISP appeals solely to the Long Island O/D market - ISP is way out of the way for anyone west of Nassau County, especially when there are plenty of other low-fare choices: a certain blue airline at JFK (and LGA for service to FLL), FL is at LGA and EWR, Spirit is at LGA, Song's at all three airports, AA out of LGA is very competitive on flights to Florida, and so on.
(That's not a knock on WN, btw - the Long Island O/D market is a very lucrative market to cater to, and WN made a very sound decision to go into ISP when they did. It's just difficult to appeal to anyone in NYC, NJ, etc. from ISP. WN's presumptions from day one had this built in. I've never seen an ad for WN in Manhattan. They might have them at Penn Station aimed at the LIRR commuters, but that's it.)
Bigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2200 times:
"WN's service at ISP appeals solely to the Long Island O/D market"
I disagree. There are alot of people who are either loyal Southwest passengers or people seeking cheap fares to NY who are willing to fly to the rinkydink airport in Islip. I know ISP caters to a lot of Long Islanders, I still think that at LEAST 25% of passengers that land there are NYC-bound and would much prefer the LGA flight.
I wouldn't be surprised if Southwest almost hid ATA as an option in this market to keep their ISP investment worthy.
IslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2174 times:
when was the last time you were at this "rinkydink" airport? It's actually quite nice now.
I didn't know that WN was coming to LGA. When they do, I don't think they will have much service as they just announced 4 more gates at ISP, in addition to the new $55 million dollar terminal they just built.
Tbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
Joe Southwest isn't starting LGA, they will have a codeshare with ATA because of their recent investment in the airline. As for ISP I doubt their code share with ATA will have any affect on ISP. Their investment in ISP is a clear signal they beleive ISP is a growing market, which it is.
ATA is only code sharing the following destinations with Southwest out of LGA connecting in MDW... Albuquerque, Birmingham, Houston Hobby, Jackson (Miss), Kansas City, Las Vegas, Little Rock, LA, Oakland, Oklahoma City, Omaha, Ontario, Phoenix, St. Louis, San Diego, Seattle, Tucson, and Tulsa. None of these cities with the exception of LAS compete with Southwest's current routes out of ISP.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3030 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
I still think that at LEAST 25% of passengers that land there are NYC-bound and would much prefer the LGA flight.
I think that's a VERY generous estimate. There is some overlap, mainly Nassau county, but ISP and LGA/JFK really serve different markets. ISP still has lots of potential--there are over a million people for whom it is the most convenient airport, hence its impressive growth--but it's really too far from Manhattan to be on most people's radar screens here, so to speak. ExFATboy is right about advertising--they've got ads all over the LIRR, but I've never seen anything aimed at city residents. After all, it's quite a schlep on the LIE to exit 600 or whatever...
But seriously, I really don't think this will have an adverse effect on WN's operations at ISP--not only because ISP primarily serves a different market, but also because there is virtually no potential for further growth at LGA, so I don't expect to see flights from there to anywhere but MDW in the near future.