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AC//767-200's Back To SFO  
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3655 times:

To take advantage of heavy passenger and cargo traffic, effective March 1st, AC757/756 YYZSFOYYZ will see the return of 767-200's after several years absence. I've heard that the flight will operate with 762's 6 times weekly, with narrow body Airbus service on Sunday.

Hopefully a sign of the times that transborder traffic is picking up, although surprised to see SFO being upgauged before LAX.


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User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Interesting.

Is AC YYZ LAX all narrown body these days? Times really have changed haven't they.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Iv'e missed that plane! Good news for SFO spotters.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Looks like in the summer it will be back to narrow bodies but and increase in frequency adding a 4th flight.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

A. That was on my mind as well, why is SFO being upgraded before LAX?

B. How many 762s do AC still have, and are they being retired anytime soon?

Thanks,
Alex



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

How many 762s do AC still have, and are they being retired anytime soon?

Currently, 12 + 2 762ers pulled out of the desert. I believe there will be two 762s retired this year so it will probably be 12 at the end of the year. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess. AC continues to add used 763s and is in negotiations for new aircraft, too.



User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

I guess it is a bit strange that they would start 767 service to SFO before LAX.

I am booked on a aflight from LAX to YYZ the end of this month. It'an A319.. that really surprised me....



User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

SAN747 -

The reason for the upgauge probably because SFO is strong with AC being the only operator on the route.

LAX is in a bit of an overcapacity situation right now with Air Canada, Jetsgo, American, adhoc charters on Skyservice, and until recently Westjet which withdrew from the route due to poor profitability. Can remember the days at LAX where all AC flights were widebodies including the nightly AC793 on the 74M.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

YYZ-LAX also has Skyservice & EL AL. With Westjet, that made 6 airlines.

You would think that WJ would have gone after YYZ-SFO which just has AC and probably has stronger yields.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

WJ has dropped Toronto-LAX

User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4915 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Back in the old days, then YYZ-LAX started, AC had only two flights a day, a DC-8-60 in the morning, returning around noon, then a DC-8-40/50 in the evening, returning the following morning. At the same time, AA flew one B707 a day. (Actually, it was a B720, they just called it a B707!)

When AC went to L1011s, AA responded with the DC-10. When AA pulled out, AC was still flying only two trips a day, usually L1011s, sometimes a B747 combi.

When the frequency increased, the gauge decreased with B727s, then A320s.

Now, they fly 4 round trips a day in winter, 5 in summer. Usually, the morning flight is an A321, (yes I know it is scheduled as an A320, but it is almost always substituted with a 321 ... heavy loads)

Same thing with YYZ-SFO, started with one L1011, then increased in frequency with a reduction in gauge. Now it is 3 round trips a day in winter, 4 in summer, again with the first round trip as an A321.

Why so few widebodies? Well, basically, on 5 hour flights, the A321 has a lower seat mile cost than a B767-200. And, as passengers choose by price, not aircraft, why give them a widebody? That is one of the "legacies" of LCCs, they showed airline accountants that passengers will fly a narrow body aircraft to the moon and back, as long as its cheap!

As far as J is concerned, it is still a very strong market for AC, and in my opinion, J in an A320 series is no less comfortable than a domestic B767-200.



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