N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3461 times:
I think there are a couple of reasons that they are being used on regional routes first. First the long stage lengths of flights to North America and Europe necessitate more than one airplane per route to support regular scheduled service. I am not sure if either airline has taken delivery of enough B773ER to make this happen yet.
Second since the 773ER represents a new aircraft/engine combination, the airlines are not automatically authorized to operate the airplane in 180 minute ETOPS "out of the box." The type certification basis is not enough and the individual operator needs to demonstrate that the particular type is robust enough for the more demanding flights.
The 3 routes that Flying Belgian requires are not operated under ETOPS. It allows the companies to build up a service record and iron out any EIS bugs close to home base.
TokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3306 times:
Every time when JAL gets new international equipment they always break them in within Japan flying domestic routes..and then within Asia for equipment familiarization such as crew training and things that N79969 already mentioned.
These B777-300ERs may do well for routes such as NRT-SFO or NRT-ORD..or I wouldn't rule out any KIX-Europe routes..
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3021 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3138 times:
N79969 is correct that the Japanese authorities do not grant ETOPS 180 or 207 'out-of-the-box.'
NH has a problem that it only one 773ER, so it really can't be used anywhere in its network outside of Asia. This spring it will take its second aircraft, so it will be interesting where those two will be placed. NRT-IAD being the likely rumor.
The JL 773ER will also find its place on transpac or trans-Siberian flights as its aircraft are configured for three-class service but again delivery is at a very slow pace or both airlines.
A newly updated delivery list for the 777s shows more than 10 773ERs going to Emirates this year while Air France will take over 10 in less than a year. A stark contrast to Japanese carriers adding only two a year, but then again they aren't replacing or growing drastically at the moment.
9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1802 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
JAL and NH have intentions to fly their 773ER to US , but like the earlier posts have said that they are working on to get their ETOPS. Most likely they will fly their 773ER to US after JAL received their 3rd 773ER in summer this year and NH getting one or two more 773ERs at least before flying to US.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3724 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3113 times:
Actually, JAL does fly the 777 to HNL. It has just been used only on extra sections and charter flights. That's why it doesn't show up on the schedule. JAL also has starting flying the 767 to HNL as well, again only on charters for now. With the DC-10s due for retirement soon, the 777 and 767 will be the replacement aircraft on flights currently using the DC-10.