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Report: 747ADV To Be Launched This Spring  
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16807 times:
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From http://www.sharewatch.com/story.php?storynumber=69352 :


FRANKFURT (AFX) - Boeing Co is planning to build a larger and modernised version of its 747 Jumbo aircraft, to be called 747 Advanced, that could sport 450 seats and the new generation 7E7 model's engine and technology, Handelsblatt newspaper said in a report to be published tomorrow, citing Randy Baseler, head of Boeing's marketing division.

"We are the only ones who can currently fill the gap between 400 and 500-seaters," Baseler told the newspaper.

The newspaper cited industry sources as saying Boeing is bent on launching the project this spring.



Kind of sketchy, but it will be interesting to see that report if it actually is published tomorrow.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16543 times:


I belive that when I see it on the tarmac! Just another stunt from B for the 380 s roll-out on Wednesday........

Micke  Insane



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16534 times:

It's already on Handelsblatt's website, so it would be kind of surprising to not see it in print tomorrow...

http://www.handelsblatt.com/pshb/fn/relhbi/sfn/buildhbi/artpage/0/cn/GoArt!200012,200038,846903/SH/0/depot/0/

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Frank



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16486 times:

Sorry!!

I mean Tuesday, 18 of January Embarrassment

Micke



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16487 times:

So too will I believe this to be serious when I see the first prototype fly. We all know what happened to the Sonic Cruiser....


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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16473 times:

Nyyeeeeehhhh,......... I'll believe it when I see it. As much as I want to see the 747 continue, I won't believe such reports until it appears on Boeing's website stating that the 747 Advanced has been officially launched. One reason I have doubts about this article is the last paragraph...

But if demand for large aircraft proves strong enough, (A380 competitor) it may consider developing its own super-sized jet, Boeing CEO Harry Stonecipher said in a German newspaper interview in November.

Boeing has strongly stated that they firmly believe that there won't be demand enough for two large aircraft in this market. For them to suddenly make an about face with this economy is suspect.




User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16418 times:

Yeah, I agree. Boeing have stated as much that there is room for the A380, and then were happy to watch while they forged ahead with the 7E7.

We may see more of this publicity leading up to the A380 rollout on Tuesday 18th....



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User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16400 times:

If there is not a viable market for the A38, according to B, how successful will two models be in this segment?

Naturally it's a spoiling / deflect publicity away from the A38 campaign. Expect to see some mockups / pictures released on Monday 17th.

B should put their energies into developing the 737 replacement.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16356 times:

B should put their energies into developing the 737 replacement

Totally agree, why Replace a slow selling aircraft instead of replacing there fastest selling product!?

sorry man but this doesn't make sense, the 737NG will be good for atleast another 5 years....


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16347 times:
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Naturally it's a spoiling / deflect publicity away from the A38 campaign. Expect to see some mockups / pictures released on Monday 17th.


That's that I was thinking, PlaneSmart. From a marketing perspective, it seems the 747ADV is to the A380 what the A350 is to the 7E7.


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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16318 times:

Its the same as Randy Baseler (from Boeing) mouthing it off (reported in another thread) about how the A380 orders are no match for the 747 in a comparative time frame...


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16209 times:

B should put their energies into developing the 737 replacement.

The 737NG has not lost its competitive edge (though Boeing sales team might have  Big grin ) and while innovation is great, it must be balanced with sound fiscal sense. If Boeing can carve themselves a new niche with the 747-Adv, go for it by all means... the 737NG doesn't need replacement at the moment...

Its the same as Randy Baseler (from Boeing) mouthing it off (reported in another thread) about how the A380 orders are no match for the 747 in a comparative time frame...

They were launched at different times under different circumstances, but I think many would agree that the 747-400 is one of the most (if not the most) sucessful aircraft programs. 661 sales at a very high unit price is very impressive... probably more so than the 777.

The 747-Adv is basically a hybrid between the 747-400QXLR and new 7E7 technology. This probably means the risk associated with the program (and the critical mass required for launch) is lower than most other programs, but more than just CX will be required. Time to see what the Boeing sales team and RD divisions got  Big grin


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16030 times:

The 747-Advanced will be launched, Boeing is already working on it.


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4773 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16005 times:
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If CX does announce a A380 order as other reports are saying, I would say the 747Adv is dead on arrival much as I would love to see the 747 go on for eternity!.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15958 times:

If CX does announce a A380 order as other reports are saying, I would say the 747Adv is dead on arrival

CX really is the star-gate on this one. I believe they are tendering an order for around 10-12 frames, either A388 or 747-Adv. That's light for a product launch, but if CX doesn't get the ball rolling, who will? And if CX does launch, who is going to follow-up?

I expect (and hope) there is market for the 747-Adv, but it needs mass or it will die on the vine. Who has yet to commit on a 773ER/A346/A388 solution and needs large aircraft?


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15928 times:

Why would a 747Adv be dead on arrival? There is such a huge gap between the 773/A346 and the A380, and a A380 shrink would probably be too heavy. Moreover, the 747Adv will likely be a good cargo carrier. If the investment required is low, and Boeing can take advantage of investments they have made in the 7E7 program and 777 program, going for it makes sense.


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26525 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15904 times:

>We all know what happened to the Sonic Cruiser....<

It became the 7E7

>Moreover, the 747Adv will likely be a good cargo carrier.<

Heavier lift and more versitile than the A380, and a plane LH Cargo has been begging for for 4-5 years

CX almost launched the 744QLR, but wanted a plug to make it 450 PAX sized. The 747ADV would be quieter, longer ranged and more efficient, so they would like it even more



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User currently offlineQFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15749 times:

If there is not a viable market for the A38, according to B, how successful will two models be in this segment?

If you'd bothered to read Boeing's Current Market Outlook, you'd probably get your answer.

Who has yet to commit on a 773ER/A346/A388 solution and needs large aircraft?

Just BA and CX (if you'll allow me to disclude their 3 leased A346s) out of anyone of note.


User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15701 times:

People groan on about "filling the gap between the A380 and the 773ER/A346" but is it really necessary to add a whole new fleet when aircraft rotation could probably match the demand well enough?

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15684 times:

Why would a 747Adv be dead on arrival? There is such a huge gap between the 773/A346 and the A380, and a A380 shrink would probably be too heavy.

The technical abilities and market potential are irrelevant if the market dynamics are negative. The 747-Adv could be a great airplane, but only if it's recieved well. Yes, there is a 100+ seat gap from the 773ER to the A388... but what if enough airlines don't want an aircraft in this niche? In many instances, the 773ER is just as much of a profit machine as the 744 while other fleets (like AF) want to consolidate to fewer long-haulers.

Just BA and CX (if you'll allow me to disclude their 3 leased A346s) out of anyone of note.

I'd argue that there are others out there, but minor in comparison to blue-chip customers like EK, QF, AF, LH, SQ, ect.

We have yet to see Northwest and China Airlines, ect...


User currently offlineQFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15347 times:

We have yet to see Northwest and China Airlines, ect...

Granted, I misplaced CI. However, by saying of note I was hoping to imply airlines that other airlines would care about what they did.  Big grin

NW is a good one to add the A346/B773ER list. However, those airplanes may be too large even for NW. I get the impression that the airline is embarking on changing its Pacific business model considering they laid down B7E7 deposits and are currently in A350 vs B7E7 negotiations.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15284 times:

An excerpt from the Handelsblatt article:

"Baseler did not want to confirm that Boeing will announce to accept orders for the '747 Advanced' as soon as on the Paris Airshow in June. Boeing's management will come to a decision over this year, Baseler said.
Experts say the estimated development costs are in the region of 2.5 billion Euro."



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15154 times:

Don't know about this... could kill the 773.

Anyways, if Boeing goes ahead with this... would the 747-Adv. look like an average 744 with some aerodynamic upgrades, or would Boeing re-design it without the "hump"?

Cheers,

PPVRA



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User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 888 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15100 times:

Curious if it will become the 747-500, -600, 797, 787(considering Boeing leaves 7E7 as is and if 747ADV actually does get launched). I know this is premature speculation since we still don't even know what the final name of the 7E7 will be, but I'm curious to see what others think.

User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15099 times:

Don't know about this... could kill the 773.

I'd say vice-versa has already happend.

would Boeing re-design it without the "hump"?

You may or may not be suprised to hear, that removing the hump would actually degrade the aerodynamics of the 747.

The 747adv is like a 744 but with about a 3m? stretch.


25 BENNETT123 : This would certainly be good news. I do not see the continuing rise in passenger numbers being handled by an ever increasing number of slots. If Boei
26 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I'd personally like to see the Hunchback of Puget Sound receive a bullet between the windshield panes and forever be put out of its misery.... ...but
27 SNATH : Don't know about this... could kill the 773. I very much doubt it. The difference in seating between the B773 and the B747Adv would be around 60-80 se
28 Lnglive1011yyz : Here we are on the dawn of a new day with the advent of the A380 -- granted, Airbus hasn't re-invented the wheel with the A380, but they certainly hav
29 ContinentalFan : I agree that it depends if a significant market for 450 seat planes exists... seems like many carriers are replacing 400 seat 744s with 773/346 size a
30 DfwRevolution : The difference in seating between the B773 and the B747Adv would be around 60-80 seats (fitting nicely between the B773/A346 and the A380), and that's
31 Boeing nut : Don't know about this... could kill the 773. If anything, it will improve the Boeing line up. There is nearly a 100 passenger count difference between
32 Airxliban : We all know what happened to the Sonic Cruiser.... Speculation has it that the Sonic Cruiser was just Boeing's way of hiding what they were really wor
33 PVG : While I'm not a full-time aviation nut like many of you, what I do observe from reading these posts and news articles about Boeing is that do not make
34 Zvezda : PPVRA, the B747Adv would not kill the B777-300ER. On the other hand, the B747Adv would forclose any business case for further stretching the B777. It
35 Trex8 : there has been no more, or less, "noise" to substantiate that a 747Adv is more or less likely to happen than the X, QLR etc etc which got no where.
36 DfwRevolution : Speculation has it that the Sonic Cruiser was just Boeing's way of hiding what they were really working on... Not exactly... the "Project Yellowstone"
37 Nyc777 : I belive that when I see it on the tarmac! Just another stunt from B for the 380 s roll-out on Wednesday........ Dude, How's that a stunt when Airbus
38 JoFMO : I don't know if there are a lot of carriers who want to operate a 747Adv side by side with an A380, because most current bigger 747 operators already
39 DfwRevolution : But all others like BA,UA,NW etc who haven't already decided for the A380 might be very interested in a 747Adv and could cancel their plans for an A38
40 PPVRA : I thought the 747Adv would be the same size as the 744... But a 3m stretch can add a significant number of seats. I stand corrected. Anyways, if the 7
41 PVG : There has been alot of noise dating back several months on this issue. The difference that I see now as compared to previous attempts to market a new
42 Wdleiser : The original reason for the cockpit and upper deck on the 747 was so incase heavy cargo were to shift, the pilots would be out of harms way. A 747 wit
43 Airbus3801 : Oh please, this sounds just like a plot to draw attention away from the A380 rollout. Why would Boeing completly contridict themselves when they annou
44 ConcordeBoy : A sincere, just curious question.... what is it about the 747 that you don't care for? Well.... ...it's a quad; it looks like something Victor Hugo de
45 2H4 : not to say that Airbus wouldn't do the same thing if they had a 747 Jumbo coming out. Well, in a way, Airbus did do the same thing...they launched the
46 Post contains images QFA001 : it looks like something Victor Hugo designed while on an acid trip Perhaps the '47 could "be as a bird perched on a frail branch that she feels bendin
47 RayChuang : I think the big question right now is can the 747 Advanced fly non-stop between MEL and LAX on a full passenger/cargo load year-round? That type of th
48 Atmx2000 : So ConcordeBoy, would you object to any future aircraft with humps, even if they were twins?
49 Carpethead : The problem is that Boeing will not invest in a new aircraft unless there's a market for the 747Adv. The US majors are in no shape to order with only
50 United Airline : If Boeing builds the B 747 Advanced, SQ will probably place a large order. It fills the gap between the A 380 and the B 777-300/300ER. SQ has expresse
51 BOEING747400 : Does anybody have the estimated or predicted technical specifications of the 747ADV aircraft out yet? What key features will likely be different in it
52 FLVILLA : Im sure BA would be watching both aircraft but what people are failing to realise is that if, and that's a big ass IF, BA ordered 747ADV it would have
53 PVG : Does anyone know what the $ investment will be to upgrade the 747 and payback period or unit sales required for breakeven?
54 ZKSUJ : Does any body know any possible launch customers for the 744 advanced?
55 Ruscoe : The 747ADV as proposed will use 7e7 type engines but not bleedless I would think. A stretch for another 50 seats or so. Aerodynamic cleanup, 777 type
56 Vunz : Wouldn't the 747ADV be called 747-500?
57 PVG : OK, can they sell 125 in, say, 5 years to get back their investment and cause headaches for their main competitor? If so, it's a go if you ask me. By
58 Post contains images Ohlbu : First orders will of course come from JL and NH, as it is a Boeing product. Would be nice to see a large, American plane launched by an American airli
59 Sjoerd : The B747ADV has been on offer to airlines several times in the past ! If they wanted it they would have bought it ! Sjoerd
60 Ruscoe : PVG I think you already know the answer. The 250 figure for 380 breakeven only includes the AIRBUS contribution. After they recover their own money th
61 Trent900 : Who much larger can Boeing develop the 747 as in capacity? I cant see that the length can be increased much more then the extra 3 meters they plan. Is
62 DfwRevolution : The B747ADV has been on offer to airlines several times in the past ! If they wanted it they would have bought it No it hasn't. This isn't like any of
63 BALandorLivery : I think that with so many airlines operating the 747 worldwide, when the time comes to replace the 747-400's the 747ADV would be the ideal solution. J
64 UAcsOKC : The original reason for the cockpit and upper deck on the 747 was so incase heavy cargo were to shift, the pilots would be out of harms way. A 747 wit
65 MidnightMike : PVG The answer to your question is that the A380 was a brand new design, while the 747_Advanced is based on an existing design.
66 Dayflyer : A 747 Adv would be very cool if it incorporated all of the 7e7 technologies, not just the engines. A composite 747 that weighed in at 20% less, and fi
67 Post contains images Beowulf : If I am not mistaken, we have been there already. A 747X, a 747 Large, etc. As one poster put, "I believe it when it's on the tarmac." Boeing made a l
68 Post contains images Solnabo : I read on QF homepage that the 380 will have 450 in the pax.configuration, so why the Adv?? I guess here, but I think CX are to order 380 s tomorrow
69 Skymileman : From the depths of Boeing's web-site. I right clicked and clicked properties and it said that this page was created today. Never heard of the idea of
70 DfwRevolution : I guess here, but I think CX are to order 380 s tomorrow at TLS......just a hunch. There is an order likely to be announced tommorow, but it will prob
71 LH477 : strange....alot of naysayers of the A388 are suddenly jumping the 747ADV bandwagon. It would be ironic indeed for Boeing to introduce a plane it state
72 Zvezda : The 400 to 500 seat market is a signficant sized market. Boeing have a great opportunity here because Airbus cannot stretch the A340 to accomodate thi
73 KEESJE : Boeing can ... stretch the B777 another 6 meters beyond the B777-300ER. Well not sure about that one... What Boeing should do IMO is get the 747 adv o
74 Post contains images Boeing nut : it's a quad; it's a quad, it's a quad, etc, and it's a quad And so is the Concorde. Yea, yea, yea, I know..... it still kinda looks like a quad. (dee
75 Mdsh00 : It would be ironic indeed for Boeing to introduce a plane it stated in past as having little to no market potential. Airbus said the same about the 7e
76 Na : A 777-300 stretched even further wouldn´t fit in the famous 80m square box anymore. Besides that it would easily be one of the ugliest airliners ever
77 Thrust : Should it turn out that there is a niche in the market for the A380, should we expect that Boeing might stretch the 747 Advanced even further to seat
78 Zvezda : Na wrote: "A 777-300 stretched even further wouldn´t fit in the famous 80m square box anymore." Sorry, the B777-300 is 73.9 meters long. A 6 meter st
79 ConcordeBoy : Concordeboy, just how many engines did you think the Concorde had? ...say that last word one more time. Well not sure about that one... ...too bad Boe
80 United Airline : Well if the B 747 Advanced is a huge success, and when the market is there, Boeing might build the B 747X Stretch. This will not happen in 10-20 years
81 Zvezda : Thrust, if Boeing were to perceive a worthwhile market for a 550 seat aircraft, stretching the B747Adv would be an option. Stretching the B777 to acco
82 DfwRevolution : Boeing can introduce the B747Adv or stretch the B777 another 6 meters beyond the B777-300ER. The physical stetch of the 773ER is not an issue, but a
83 Boeing nut : Concordeboy, just how many engines did you think the Concorde had? ...say that last word one more time. OMG, I didn't think you had pathetic responses
84 ZKSUJ : 'Boeing can ... stretch the B777 another 6 meters beyond the B777-300ER.' To my knowlege the 773s length makes it vulnerable to increases incidents ta
85 Zvezda : DfwRevolution, I agree that a B777-400 would not have 8000nm range. I suggested in reply #72 that perhaps range was the reason Boeing decided to go wi
86 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : OMG, I didn't think you had pathetic responses in you man. Truth can be a bitch that way To my knowlege the 773s length makes it vulnerable to increas
87 M404 : ConcordeBoy Glad you made you preferences clear even if without reason (asthetics vs efficiency). At least I know you hate the 380 as well.
88 Gigneil : Should it turn out that there is a niche in the market for the A380, should we expect that Boeing might stretch the 747 Advanced even further to seat
89 Ken777 : The 747ADV allows B to play the game A played with the 350 against the 7E7: "Hold off ordering a 380 until you see what we are doing with the 747 ADV
90 Post contains images Boeing nut : OMG, I didn't think you had pathetic responses in you man. Truth can be a bitch that way Ain't it though??
91 Post contains links Lehpron : Curious behavior. From http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=509&u=/ap/20050116/ap_on_bi_ge/airbus_a380_s_debut_7&printer=1: >>""The data shows un
92 777ER : I hope to see a 747-500 in NZ colours one day NZ are putting the B747 in the history books when the B773ER is ordered.
93 PlaneSmart : B are in a quandry. One group of potential customers who have held back ordering the A38, and generally have a younger 747 fleet, want the ADV to be a
94 Rjpieces : I haven't read all of the replies in this thread, but I will contribute my usual in regards to the 747 Advanced. There is a huge gap between the 773ER
95 PVG : Planesmart: Who wants the new and improved, and who is willing to settle for a minor upgrade? Also, what volumes can each guarantee? Why can't Boeing
96 PlaneSmart : PVG The new, improved camp want a 747ADV to replace the 747, and as an alternative to the A38. Think double figure 747 operators, outside USA, recordi
97 Boeing7E7 : The only problem with both planes success is the useful life. Aircraft like these last too freakin' long so once you sell a few, that's it for a while
98 BOEING747400 : It'll be interesting to know what Boeing has up in their sleeves after the A380 has been out right now. I'd be curious to know what the technical spec
99 Greaser : Who wants the new and improved, and who is willing to settle for a minor upgrade? Also, what volumes can each guarantee? Why can't Boeing do both? Upg
100 Post contains images Lightsaber : Recall that the 747 already has a lower PER TRIP cost than the A380 (per airbus). So if Boeing can lower the cost per trip (cut fuel burn with 7E7 eng
101 Richardw : "Boeing seven four seven five hundred" sounds so much better than "Airbus ay three eighty eight hundred"
102 Rj111 : The A380 is new, but not improved. It's really the only plane in it's class (literally). That's BS and you know it. Airbus is missing a large segment
103 Na : Quote Boeings website of today: "The 747-400 is a premier long-range airliner (...) and operators enjoys the lowest cost per seat." Somewhere else the
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