FRANKFURT (AFX) - Boeing Co is planning to build a larger and modernised version of its 747 Jumbo aircraft, to be called 747 Advanced, that could sport 450 seats and the new generation 7E7 model's engine and technology, Handelsblatt newspaper said in a report to be published tomorrow, citing Randy Baseler, head of Boeing's marketing division.
"We are the only ones who can currently fill the gap between 400 and 500-seaters," Baseler told the newspaper.
The newspaper cited industry sources as saying Boeing is bent on launching the project this spring.
Kind of sketchy, but it will be interesting to see that report if it actually is published tomorrow.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 14955 times:
Nyyeeeeehhhh,......... I'll believe it when I see it. As much as I want to see the 747 continue, I won't believe such reports until it appears on Boeing's website stating that the 747 Advanced has been officially launched. One reason I have doubts about this article is the last paragraph...
But if demand for large aircraft proves strong enough, (A380 competitor) it may consider developing its own super-sized jet, Boeing CEO Harry Stonecipher said in a German newspaper interview in November.
Boeing has strongly stated that they firmly believe that there won't be demand enough for two large aircraft in this market. For them to suddenly make an about face with this economy is suspect.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14691 times:
B should put their energies into developing the 737 replacement.
The 737NG has not lost its competitive edge (though Boeing sales team might have ) and while innovation is great, it must be balanced with sound fiscal sense. If Boeing can carve themselves a new niche with the 747-Adv, go for it by all means... the 737NG doesn't need replacement at the moment...
Its the same as Randy Baseler (from Boeing) mouthing it off (reported in another thread) about how the A380 orders are no match for the 747 in a comparative time frame...
They were launched at different times under different circumstances, but I think many would agree that the 747-400 is one of the most (if not the most) sucessful aircraft programs. 661 sales at a very high unit price is very impressive... probably more so than the 777.
The 747-Adv is basically a hybrid between the 747-400QXLR and new 7E7 technology. This probably means the risk associated with the program (and the critical mass required for launch) is lower than most other programs, but more than just CX will be required. Time to see what the Boeing sales team and RD divisions got
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 14440 times:
If CX does announce a A380 order as other reports are saying, I would say the 747Adv is dead on arrival
CX really is the star-gate on this one. I believe they are tendering an order for around 10-12 frames, either A388 or 747-Adv. That's light for a product launch, but if CX doesn't get the ball rolling, who will? And if CX does launch, who is going to follow-up?
I expect (and hope) there is market for the 747-Adv, but it needs mass or it will die on the vine. Who has yet to commit on a 773ER/A346/A388 solution and needs large aircraft?
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 14410 times:
Why would a 747Adv be dead on arrival? There is such a huge gap between the 773/A346 and the A380, and a A380 shrink would probably be too heavy. Moreover, the 747Adv will likely be a good cargo carrier. If the investment required is low, and Boeing can take advantage of investments they have made in the 7E7 program and 777 program, going for it makes sense.
ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 14166 times:
Why would a 747Adv be dead on arrival? There is such a huge gap between the 773/A346 and the A380, and a A380 shrink would probably be too heavy.
The technical abilities and market potential are irrelevant if the market dynamics are negative. The 747-Adv could be a great airplane, but only if it's recieved well. Yes, there is a 100+ seat gap from the 773ER to the A388... but what if enough airlines don't want an aircraft in this niche? In many instances, the 773ER is just as much of a profit machine as the 744 while other fleets (like AF) want to consolidate to fewer long-haulers.
Just BA and CX (if you'll allow me to disclude their 3 leased A346s) out of anyone of note.
I'd argue that there are others out there, but minor in comparison to blue-chip customers like EK, QF, AF, LH, SQ, ect.
We have yet to see Northwest and China Airlines, ect...
QFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 54 Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13829 times:
We have yet to see Northwest and China Airlines, ect...
Granted, I misplaced CI. However, by saying of note I was hoping to imply airlines that other airlines would care about what they did.
NW is a good one to add the A346/B773ER list. However, those airplanes may be too large even for NW. I get the impression that the airline is embarking on changing its Pacific business model considering they laid down B7E7 deposits and are currently in A350 vs B7E7 negotiations.
NoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7796 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13766 times:
An excerpt from the Handelsblatt article:
"Baseler did not want to confirm that Boeing will announce to accept orders for the '747 Advanced' as soon as on the Paris Airshow in June. Boeing's management will come to a decision over this year, Baseler said.
Experts say the estimated development costs are in the region of 2.5 billion Euro."
Dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13582 times:
Curious if it will become the 747-500, -600, 797, 787(considering Boeing leaves 7E7 as is and if 747ADV actually does get launched). I know this is premature speculation since we still don't even know what the final name of the 7E7 will be, but I'm curious to see what others think.