Supa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9873 times:
Interesting. I think most would agree the CRJ-200 is a more substantial / quality aircraft than the Embraer 145. Just look at winter operations; can the E-145 really compete with a plane built in Montreal for winter ops?
They each carry 50 pax. The Embraer has a narrower fuselage, which probably means it burns a good deal less fuel.
So how much less does an ERJ-145 cost, and how much less is the fuel burn?
USrampleadSTL From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9818 times:
Hmm. I have to turn many Bombardier and Embraer jets daily (plus two A319s), and the Embraers, both the 170s and the 145s, but especially the 170s have many, many more MX issues than the CRJs and CR7s. A guy I know at CHQ MX says they call their 170s "180s" because of what happens after they've been in the air for awhile. Of course that's an exaggeration... but we've had to cone off a 170 in the middle of a ramp because the computer decided not to let the pilot turn the nose wheel and wait for about 20 minutes while the pilot called MX and had them walk him through a reboot. Then we had to find someone to fuel it up again...
Sorry, that's a touch off topic. Let's just say I consider the CRJ series of aircraft a much wiser investment.
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9775 times:
As far as the CRJs are concerned, there's a reason that they have a greater overall reliability than the ERJs. Canadair's CRJ is a natural extension of the Challenger which was in service well before the CRJ was initiated. By developing it from the Challenger, they were working with technology that had already been proven and debugged. Embraer had to work out the bugs in the ERJ as they developed.
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9674 times:
CRJ-200 = $23M List
ERJ-145 = $21.5M List
CRJ-200 is between $17.5M and $19M
ERJ-145 is between $17M and $21M for the XR
Are you serious? But a E170 is only about $22-25 Million.. the E190 is about $25-30 Million.. How can these much smaller aircraft cost as much???? hell, even a 737 only cost 44-77 Million.. so a RJ that has 1/3 of the seats as a 737 cost about half as much???
Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9661 times:
Are you serious?
Yup. The 170 and 190 have both passed the $30M barrier in list, but they never sell for that much. While this site's prices aren't up to date, they provide you the prices that once were and a little insight to aircraft discounting from 2002:
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1879 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9557 times:
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I spoke with a 9E CRJ captain once about factory deliveries of new ships. He had recently picked up a new one and ferried it home. When he declared the ship to US Customs in MEM, the paperwork he was holding (standard customs declarations) valued the aircraft at approx US$16.095 million.
Keep in mind that while Bombardier or Embraer may post a price figure, that may or may not include the cost of financing. Also, it is not uncommon for either government to throw in "reverse tariffs" and/or a spectacular low- or zero-interest loan to get large deals running.