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Malaysia Airlines' B744s To EWR And ARN!  
User currently offlineOdie From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6643 times:

With effective from April 1, 2005, Malaysia Airlines will fly its B744 to EWR and ARN instead of the B772. Pax load factor from EWR to ARN is around 60% (with about 60% of that traffic going onwards to KUL). The ARN-KUL leg is doing extremely well with pax load factor around 90% for December '04. Perhaps they should increase the frequency first before upgrading the equipment.

PS: Rome is going to be upgraded to B744 too come summer '05.

[Edited 2005-01-17 06:11:22]

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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5210 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

Is that because they want to keep it a 3 class service?

How many 772's are 2 class now?

Odie I always ask this hope it doesn't bother you.

How about AKL? Over the NZ winter it will see 3 744's and 4 772's a week, currently daily 744's. My question is will AKL remain a 3 class service year round? Personally I wouldn't be surprised if AKL eventually gets increased frequency and 772's used year round.


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1834 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Thanks for the update! Now I can fly the better EWR to KUL flights... than LAX-KUL flights.

Hopefully it will use the newer Boeing 747-400 with the new suites on this flight.

Carfield


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6492 times:

3 B772s are now 2 class.

Carfield. Actually, the first aircraft to be fitted with the new F and J, is one of the older ones in the B744 fleet as it undergoes its D check. Other planes will follow as they come in for C or D checks so generally the 'older' planes will be fitted first over the next 2 years. First B744 with the new F class will be out in around a month.

Odie, I too think they should increase frequency first before upgrading equipment. EWR-ARN sectors will see a drop in load factors again when a bigger aircraft is deployed. However, I think this could be due to lack of B777s which on top of more flying is also doing lots of A330 replacement flights as we lack crew to fly the A330s. If ARN-KUL flights seem to be in so much demand, I'd think it'd be better they operate extra flights that terminate at ARN and not go on to EWR using even the B744.


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1843 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

Maybe cheap fares to ARN from EWR eh? Anyone think so?


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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

MH is already fare dumping so to speak ex-USA (LAX and EWR) from time to time. They even had introductory $99 one way to ARN from EWR! I suspect yields are still not up to acceptable level with that huge amount of cheap fares they are selling in Y.

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5210 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

The Friday service to AKL is listed as a 744, MH usually put 747 in the schedules, so I guess this flight will get a new configuration.

Any idea of the rego for the first 744 Airbus lover? Not 9M-MPA, i've seen that in AKL lately a couple of times.


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

ZK-NBT: It'll be MPD.

User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

They even had introductory $99 one way to ARN from EWR!

That was $99 round-trip.......$205 with all taxes.



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User currently offlineSAS_A330-300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

MH will be the 4th 747-airline here at ARN after IR, TG and recently OX. Sad to see the 777 go though.  Sad

The load factor will probably drop a bit further down on the leg ARN-EWR when CO starts up operations in June with 757's. It'll be interesting to see how things will develop.

Simon


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Why do MH fly to EWR, and not JFK? I assume competition.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

"Why do MH fly to EWR, and not JFK? I assume competition."

EWR's well served to Stockholm, with three airlines on that route starting this Summer (CO, SAS, MH).



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User currently offlineOdie From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

MH seems to be dedicating more B772s to Australia/regional routes that were previously served by B744s. For example, MH 72/73 to Hong Kong, MH124/125 to Perth and MH 148/149 to Melbourne.

ZK-NBT: AKL will still be served 3 weekly B744 and 4 weekly B772.

Flyguy1: As STT757 mentioned, all 3 airlines that fly from New York to Stockholm departs from Newark and none from JFK. MH has been operating from Newark since day one but they only switched its stopover city from Dubai to Stockholm late last year. Initially, MH was supposed to code-share with CO while MH is flying EWR-DXB-KUL. The code-share fell through but MH decided that it's best to operate in and out of Newark due to CO's domestic operation in EWR that can feed into MH's flights.

Perhaps, the best solution is for MH and CO to code-share on the EWR-ARN route, with MH operating daily on that route. It's going to be a win-win situation for both airlines as MH will have daily flights to ARN and EWR while CO is able to add a new destination in Europe without its own metal. What was previously a daily A333 flight between the two cities will soon be increased to 3 weekly B744, once daily A333 and B757 each.


User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

I would suggest that MH uses EWR vs. JFK as EWR offers better connecting flights from the eastern USA cities, especially via CO or their express divisions.

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

no one will use MH to connect to interior US points on CO if CO can offer online connections straight through.

that introductory fare is long gone. according to travelocity, MH's lowest fare of 404.00 is 100.00 more than LH

although MH might be at EWR because yields are higher than JFK, once CO enters the market they would be much better off moving to JFK, where there is no ARN service, and where DL has a strong presence (assuming MH might join SkyTeam at some point).


User currently offlineMischadee From Sweden, joined Apr 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Yes I agree, it sad to see the 777 go, they should have add more flights per week instead.

Another question regarding the KUL-ARN-EWR route. Why can't I book ARN-EWR on malaysia.com? ARN is not shown as a departure city. You can book EWR-ARN though. How come?

Mischa.



ARNiboy
User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5170 times:

EWR's well served to Stockholm, with three airlines on that route starting this Summer (CO, SAS, MH).

I was referring to competition on NYC to Asia routes as to why EWR gets MH service, as opposed to JFK. JFK already has quite a few Asian carriers, with more coming. My assumption is that MH serve EWR since they do not have as much competition. (SQ, CO, and BR only airlines with Asian operations at EWR)



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

"I was referring to competition on NYC to Asia routes as to why EWR gets MH service, as opposed to JFK. JFK already has quite a few Asian carriers, with more coming. My assumption is that MH serve EWR since they do not have as much competition. (SQ, CO, and BR only airlines with Asian operations at EWR)"

Technically you would have to include Air India and El Al's service into EWR since both are technically in Asia. Korean Air dropped EWR after 9-11, if Korean does not come back eventually I could see CO adding nonstop EWR-Seoul especially with their recent 7E7 order. Then there's the upcoming China route awards which CO has applied for both the '05 and '06 authorities to operate EWR-PEK and EWR-PVG.



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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

Mischadee

That is because online booking is not yet available ex-ARN.

AF022

And how much is the fare to fly SAS? It's not fair to compare a non-stop to a connection flight which most of the time is cheaper. Not to mention MH is one of the best (or dare I say, the best) carrier ex-EWR for Y class pax except their FFP.

However, I am overall skeptical of MH's survivability on the EWR-ARN sector esp when CO comes online. Although CO will have inferior product and service, they have a stronger feed and base of customers in the US which is always an edge.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

new fares seemed to have come online in the past hours - incredibly cheap:

cheapest overall EWRARN:
LH $249.00

cheapest nonstop EWRARN:
SK $305.00

cheapest MH EWRARN:
MH $404.00

you are all overstating MH's reliance on local traffic EWR-ARN-EWR. we can assume that the vast majority of passengers departing EWR on MH are thru to KUL.


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

AF022..

60% of pax on MH flights ex-EWR are bound for KUL. However, they also need the traffic between ARN-EWR to sustain these flights.


User currently offlineThe Ticketor From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

MAS IBF (internet booking facility) is being implemented in Europe soon. Europe is supposed to be included in February/March (i think, the notes from the meeting is at home). Some are already in the system though.

And as stated, the vast majority of pax ex EWR are bound for KUL.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

YES!!! makes things a lot easier for me to non-rev via EWR, I usually always have to do LAX due to high loads via ARN.


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