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Dallas & Ft. Worth Mayors Urge WN To Use DFW  
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8536 times:

I find this hard to believe:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/011805dnbussw.a465d.html

Both the mayors of Dallas and Ft. Worth are encouraging WN to use DFW, if only through its codeshare agreement with ATA. Basically, they say DFW needs support and more LCC competition.

WN isn't budging, saying it's digging in its heels at DAL and pushing for repeal of the Wright Amendment.

I hope this doesn't mean things at DFW are worse than they seem, given the Delta pullout.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

Both the mayors of Dallas and Ft. Worth are encouraging WN to use DFW

Did Miller change positions again? She was initially opposed to the W.A. abolition, then open to the idea, now back to opposition... This ends in Congress not Dallas' ugly City Hall... thanks for your thoughts Ms. Miller, nice to know you have the interest of the public in mind. Go back to protesting soccer fields a bunch of nuns wanted to build  Insane

if only through its codeshare agreement with ATA.

That being the exact reason WN did not offer a single code-share at DFW, they have no intention of clouding this issue.

Basically, they say DFW needs support and more LCC competition

Balognia.... the sixth largest airport with a strong hub presence, state-of-the-art facilities, and pleany of room for growth needs protection from piddly DAL? News flash: DAL is not the metro airport everyone is dying to use, for the majority of the metroplex, DFW is smack-dab in the middle of the region. It is the driving force in the economy now, not DAL.

http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm#Hot%20Flash%20-%20November%2015,%202004


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8456 times:

In other related news, American Airlines CEO Gerard Arpey is throwing a fit in his Fort Worth, Texas office...


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User currently offlinePaddy78 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8360 times:

Ohhh...into the lion's den. Go for the throat WN! Get 'em!


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7506 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8260 times:

WN isn't budging, saying it's digging in its heels at DAL and pushing for repeal of the Wright Amendment.

I hope this doesn't mean things at DFW are worse than they seem, given the Delta pullout.


Hopefully, Joe Leonard and company (FL) may be finally refocusing their expansion efforts at DFW; especially after WN outbid them on the TZ/MDW assets and gates.



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User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8145 times:

How many vacant gates are there at DAL? I would assume WN uses most, if not all (except for the CO Express gates) the gates. If that is the case, how is that bad for DFW if the availability simply doesn't exist at DAL?


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

How many vacant gates are there at DAL? I would assume WN uses most, if not all (except for the CO Express gates) the gates.

There is an entire concourse at DAL that is unused. In terms of terminal space, WN could almost double its operation there.

This map is a bit dated (it still shows DL/ASA operations), but this gives you an idea of the open space at DAL:

http://www.dallas-lovefield.com/pdf/LoveFTerminalMapFINAL.pdf



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8081 times:

IIRC there are a lot of unused gates at DAL - not even counting the Legend Airlines gates (which are over in the East terminal [Correct me if I'm wrong]), but WN only uses that West concourse at DAL.

Off topic: The whole debate about DAL doesn't just involve commercial pax airlines; seeing how the City of Dallas has invested considerable sums of money in DAL, and there is an incredibly large amount of bizjet traffic there (lots of Learjets, Gulfstreams, King Airs, etc.) and some companies have maintenance bases there (I've seen several U.S. Navy P-3's flying in/out of DAL).

Dallas has to balance the concept of keeping their aviation crown jewel running well while keeping the NIMBY's happy. With bizjet competition just up the road at ADS and just down the road at RBD and fancy high-class neighborhoods encroaching DAL on all sides, this isn't an easy task.



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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7993 times:

Sounds strange to me. In a market economy, after all, the needs of the customers should have the No 1 priority, nbot the needs of public institutions. If people prefer DAL over DFW, what's wrong with that?

We have many problems of that kind in europe, but I didn't know that also in the US the governements wants to avoid competition.

A350



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User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7960 times:

A350,

That's a very good point, and I might add that the Dallas/Fort Worth area has a large enough population to support two airports.

Think about it:

New York has JFK, LGA, EWR, ISP, and HPN.

Los Angeles has LAX, ONT, BUR, and SNA.

Chicago has ORD and MDW.

Houston has HOU and IAH.

Washington has IAD, DCA and BWI.

I think that Dallas can support two airports. Then, like in a free market economy, let the flying public decide what works best for them.


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

>Los Angeles has LAX, ONT, BUR, and SNA.<

LGB too

>In a market economy, after all, the needs of the customers should have the No 1 priority, nbot the needs of public institutions. If people prefer DAL over DFW, what's wrong with that?<

Adam Smith does not run the world, particularly that of transport. One of the problems here is that one of the two owners of DFW also owns DAL. Additionally, there is the large Tarrant County constituency that has a great deal of control over the decisions on DFW and has effectively lobbied for the protection of that.

>We have many problems of that kind in europe, but I didn't know that also in the US the governements wants to avoid competition.<

In many ways, the US government, especially state and local governments, are much more anti-competitive than European governments. This is especially true in the case of service industries. There is more ill-placed responsibility in a non-proportional system so law makers are often more indebted to private interests in the US than they are in Europe. Because of this, they often support things like this while saying how much they love the free market. DFW is a classic case of this, after all, Wright is named for Ft. Worth's Rep. who worked this through congress



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User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

If people prefer DAL over DFW, what's wrong with that?

The City of Dallas would be the one who gains from people preferring DAL over DFW. DFW was created to avoid an unfair distribution of these gains between the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth. This would negate the whole reason why DFW was established as a joint venture. Ideally, they could coexist as they do now with the Wright Amendment repealed (not an easy thing to do).



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User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

DFW authorities probably shot themselves in the foot on this one. From my personal observations, they've backed AA's barriers of entry to new service at DFW in past years; probably not intentially though. They should have done something proactive to stop it before they came to this situation.

Now most LCC's have their growth plans set elsewhere, with exception to FL's mini-hub, and nobody's going to be able to fill the DL void in the short period time that the airport authorities want, even with the incentives that were offered. However I am sure it will be filled over a longer period of time.



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User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7788 times:

Jet Blue could make a very nice presence at DFW.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

>>>That's a very good point, and I might add that the Dallas/Fort Worth area has a large enough population to support two airports.

Another aspect of the problem, IMHO, is that Ft. Worth and Tarrant County have an inferiority complex of sorts. No matter how good it looks on a map (having Ft. Worth on one side with Dallas on the other, and balancing on DFW in the middle) the "scale" has historically been tipped in Dallas' favor based on population, wealth, or whatever other demographic one wishes to use. Not to say that Ft. Worth is a bad place, not at all, just that it's not the same size as Dallas, just like Fort Lauderdale isn't as big as Miami, or Colorado Springs isn't as big as Denver.

Yet, everyone seems afraid to acknowledge any of this. DAL Love Field shouldn't be restricted any more than FLL or COS are, as they draw from different parts of their local areas. Ditto the situations elsewhere with SoCal and Bay area airports, and lots of other places. Were the WA abolished and SWA (or any airline) allowed to operate from DAL without restriction, it would tend to make Ft. Worth/Tarrant County inferior to Dallas in the eyes of whomever.

All that said, there is indeed alot of development In Fort Worth/Tarrant County, and at some point, it may be enough to convince someone to start service out of Meacham (FTW). Numerous entities have tried in the past, and failed there, but maybe the future will be different. If it takes 10-20 years for the area around FTW to generate traffic, it'd be senseless and unfair to deny expansion at DAL until expansion was possible at FTW, just to keep things "even" and pander to the notion (by some) that Dallas and Fort Worth are (or should be) equals.

So the solution proposed by the Ft. Worth and Dallas city hall folks is to do nothing, keeping the peace of the status quo, and oh by the way protecting AA from competition at DFW. The fact that governments are denying a business (SWA, who has built a better mousetrap) the opportunity to run that business (out of DAL) speaks more to what they're trying to protect, rather than promote as savings for the traveling public.

[Edited 2005-01-18 21:53:14]

User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7630 times:

Sure is a alot whining about poor SWA and DAL. SWA knew the rules back in the 70s,and now want to change them. Sure the Wright Admendment is wrong, but the law is the law.

User currently offlineRogerthat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

Speaking of P3's....Does anyone know what's up with the P3's at Love?

I can't imagine there is much need for sub patrols out of Dallas.


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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

Sure is a alot whining about poor SWA and DAL. SWA knew the rules back in the 70s,and now want to change them. Sure the Wright Admendment is wrong, but the law is the law.

So what's wrong with trying to change the law?

cheers,
Phil



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

>>>SWA knew the rules back in the 70s,and now want to change them.

For years, SWA was "passionately neutral" on the WA, i.e. it was tolerated, but once Delta announced their plans to scuttle their DFW hub changed things. SWA's ability to react to a change in the competitive landscape is now hamstrung by the 25-year old relic that's outlived its purpose.

>>>Sure the Wright Admendment is wrong,

Yep!

>>>but the law is the law.

...for how much longer remains to be seen...  Big grin


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Rogerthat:

I don't know exactly, but Lockheed has major facilities in the area.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7455 times:

>>>Speaking of P3's....Does anyone know what's up with the P3's at Love?

Well, Bachman Lake is pretty deep....  Big grin

Rockwell Collins used to have a facility on the SE side of the airport (since vacated and now the new home of the Frontiers of Flight Museum), and many came in for a visit there. We still see them here and hear them at the run-up pad, so I'm presuming somebody here does MX work on them.

Lockheed Martin (formerly General Dynamics) has a big facility at the former Carswell AFB, now a reserve base (NFW), but I don't know if any P-3 work is accomplished there.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

Lockheed Martin (formerly General Dynamics) has a big facility at the former Carswell AFB, now a reserve base (JRB / Carswell Field (AFB) (NFW / KFWH), USA - Texas">NFW), but I don't know if any P-3 work is accomplished there.

There was another Naval Air Station south of Arlington before the JRB was consolidated in Ft. Worth... could be from that base as well

but the law is the law.

So was prohibition, forbidding women to vote, and owning other human beings was legal at a point in our history  Big grin

Sure is a alot whining about poor SWA and DAL. SWA knew the rules back in the 70s,and now want to change them.

The entire economic, political, geographical, and demographical landscape of the DFW metroplex has changed radically since DFW was chartered. Time for the laws to change with the times...

And ask yourself this, why is it acceptable for Ft. Worth to have Alliance cargo airport which unquestionably bleeds cargo traffic from DFW? And WN is not allowed to bleed a small amount of passenger traffic to their airport of choice? Plain hypocracy!!


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

While I don't always agree with everything Mike Boyd writes, I think he's accurately assessed this one... (From Nov 2004).

http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm#Hot%20Flash%20-%20November%2015,%202004


User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

Another aspect of the problem, IMHO, is that Ft. Worth and Tarrant County have an inferiority complex of sorts. No matter how good it looks on a map (having Ft. Worth on one side with Dallas on the other, and balancing on DFW in the middle) the "scale" has historically been tipped in Dallas' favor based on population, wealth, or whatever other demographic one wishes to use. Not to say that Ft. Worth is a bad place, not at all, just that it's not the same size as Dallas, just like Fort Lauderdale isn't as big as Miami, or Colorado Springs isn't as big as Denver.

Not to get off topic, but this is the exact problem that we have in the Tampa Bay area with TPA & PIE. Pinellas county wants to expand PIE so it can further compete with TPA even though the economics of doing so are not yet there. It's a "jealous little brother syndrome". Most of the businesses in the area are in Hillsborough country.

I think the Dallas metro area is big enough to support both DFW & DAL competing openly. It would be the same as ORD & MDW in Chicago. Each airport caters to a different crowd. DFW would go for the long hauls and international flights while DAL would be more for regional and intra-country flying. MDW and DAL are very similar.

Moman



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7337 times:
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Speaking of P3's....Does anyone know what's up with the P3's at Love?


After scouring the net, all I've been able to learn is that they likely belong to NAWC-23....and there is NO online info about that squadron.


2H4





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25 Post contains links OPNLguy : According to this, they're based here at DAL... http://home.wxs.nl/~p3orion/sqn.html
26 Post contains images 2H4 : Yeah, I found that page, too. Good luck finding any more detailed info about them, though. 2H4
27 OPNLguy : >>>There was another Naval Air Station south of Arlington before the JRB was consolidated in Ft. Worth... could be from that base as well If you're re
28 PapaNovember : If they repeal the Wright Amendment and Southwest can fly beyond our neighbors, American will offer flights from Love Field, and Southwest, as a resu
29 OPNLguy : >>>If they repeal the Wright Amendment and Southwest can fly beyond our neighbors, American will offer flights from Love Field, and Southwest, as a re
30 SWALoveField : The more things change the more they stay the same. 1975=2005 The Wright Amendment secured WN's success. It was at all costs that Herb was going to do
31 Barney Captain : Check this out. You just have to LUV how are management plays (hard) ball!! By Margaret Allen Dallas Business Journal Updated: 7:00 p.m. ET Jan. 16, 2
32 Sccutler : Time, clearly, to mandate closure of the FedEx hub and AA MX base at AFW. AFW, in Fort Worth, serves certificated carriers, flying unrestricted to all
33 JonnyGT : I'm really behind Southwest in this fight, mostly because it would be extremely convient for me to go on flight from DAL considering I live 2 miles fr
34 Lt-AWACS : I wonder, how much "hardball" WN is willing to play? They talk about reducing flights, and the article also notes being evicted as an option-- If WN g
35 Rogerthat : Thanks to all of you who posted info about the P3 squadron. I find it odd that our government would base a sub chaser in land-locked Dallas. Looking o
36 Post contains images 2H4 : Actually, Rogerthat, it's kind of ironic...I had Lt-AWACS in mind when I posted my replies on the subject of the DAL P3's. I was hoping he'd be able t
37 Lt-AWACS : The only P-3s I ever worked with in Texas were the US Customs' ones in Corpus. I've never seen them at DAL. Navy Ft Worth (Carswell) often and Greenvi
38 OPNLguy : >>>After scouring the net, all I've been able to learn is that they likely belong to NAWC-23....and there is NO online info about that squadron. I did
39 Post contains images 2H4 : Cool....there's a job opening at HDQ..... 2H4
40 Post contains links Swadispatcher : There's currently a poll on the NBC affiliate's (KXAS) website regarding the Wrong Amendment. http://www.nbc5i.com/travelgetaways/4103367/detail.html
41 Atmx2000 : more ill-placed responsibility in a non-proportional system What the hell does that mean?
42 Post contains images OPNLguy : >>>Cool....there's a job opening at HDQ..... Oh..no you don't....!
43 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Ok, another shred of information about the P-3 squadron: P-3A, serial number 5128152158, was delivered to the Navy on April 23, 1965. According to htt
44 Post contains images Type-rated : Dallas becomes less important to our business plan and Delta Air Lines Inc.'s massive flight cuts have also freed up more than 20 gates I never thoug
45 Post contains links 3201 : I think the P-3's at DAL are there to patrol for these: http://www.ncxri.com/tremors.htm
46 Post contains links and images OPNLguy : >>>Maybe the threat of a Russian sub sailing up the Trinity river is greater than I thought. Maybe so... One of the TV traffic helos caught this shot
47 Jsnww81 : I wouldn't be surprised to see Southwest up the ante even more significantly on this one... possibly to the point where they threaten a complete reloc
48 Okie : Well the management at WN did not fall out of the back of a Turbo Porter last night. WN gets more mileage out of press release/interview than about an
49 SPREE34 : ...........Would they move their HQs ............... MCO, PHX, or LAS would be good bets.
50 Okie : ...........Would they move their HQs ............... Who knows but what a heck of a bargaining chip. I would suspect that WN would wait later in the p
51 LY4XELD : I've always questioned why Alliance Airport was allowed to grow and prosper while essentially thumbing its nose at the Wright Amendment. True, AFW ser
52 Jsnww81 : My point was not that DFW was a better choice than Alliance for the American MX base. My point is that if Fort Worth is going to make all this noise a
53 Post contains images OPNLguy : >>>I've never understood why Fort Worth allowed Alliance to offer sweetheart deals to FedEx and American, rather than encouraging them to expand at DF
54 JetSOUTHEAST : Three words: Go For It! They will lower the costs of airfares in DFW and bring in more passengers. American will get what is coming to them.
55 Drerx7 : Threaten to move the HQ down here to Houston--that would really salt the wound. We'd love to have em.
56 Gift4tbone : Well, my best wishes go out to WN in this one. I've always wanted to fly into WN's hub city, and if the WA gets repealed. Maybe i can, on a PVD-DAL-PH
57 738_Driver : Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Wright Amendment was repealed, wouldn't that prohibit WN from flying anything outside of the Texas borders? It's t
58 Leskova : 738_Driver, if I recall correctly, the Wright Amendment was the one that limited flying from DAL to the states directly bordering Texas... but I'm sur
59 Drerx7 : 738_Driver--you have it reversed--the W.A. prohibited Southwest from flying from DAL to points beyond the neighboring states with aircraft with more t
60 Philhyde : They cannot sell tickets to points beyond even if they fly to another city first. So no DAL-HOU-LAX ticket on Southwest To clarify, you can buy two se
61 Lincoln : RE: Southwest knowing the law... Uhhhh... Not entirely correct. The Wright Ammendment was a direct response to WN's refusal to move from DAL to DFW...
62 738_Driver : That's the point I was trying to make... The Wright Amendment was enacted as a compromise to allow WN to fly interstate beyond Texas. Dallas was oblig
63 AirStatDFW : 738_Driver, You have a good point now that I read that other mombo jumbo. This will be interesting. I think they should open up some flights out of DF
64 Moman : Move the HQ to MCI. Moman
65 Ssides : WN argued that they were allowed to fly Interstate since they were not a signature carrier identified in the Ordinance and thus the Wright Amendment w
66 NWAFA : They knew what the rules were/are and they need to still follow them. The ones saying that its an old rule..then LHR needs to change too. DCA needs to
67 Lincoln : From what I understand...and this was WAY before my time, but from what I understand: By the bond ordinance, Dallas was essentially obligated to do so
68 Post contains images AirEMS : Maybe we will see the third incarnation of Braniff Airlines Fly Safe -Carl
69 Sccutler : Lincoln: I am a lawyer, and you are correct. === LtAwacs (who's apparently now a Captain, go git'em) wrote: I wonder, how much "hardball" WN is willin
70 Post contains images AirEMS : Thanks DfwRevolution I needed a good laugh -Carl
71 Lt-AWACS : -"LtAwacs (who's apparently now a Captain, go git'em) wrote:"- yeah coming up on 2 years now, though I'm back into the civilian sector and my real est
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