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Not That Impressed With The A388 After The Hype.  
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

I was looking through the paper today and it showed the a380 against a 744 and to be honest what's all the hype about its not longer its not much taller than the 744s hump and it slower SO why is it the future? Its just a slightly bigger 744. I hope the a389 is more impressive.

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User currently offlineA320319318 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Excuse me??????, not impressed?...........the A380 will change travel the way the 747 did!....it's the new queen of the skies. All TV news channels had specials on it. I take it you prefer Boeing

User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

I have to agree with Bmi330. The TV channels had specials on it...gee they have reality TV shows and sitcoms too. I am not impressed, it is one big ugly airplane and I sure as hell wont want to squeeze into any 800 seat flying albatross. You can bet your flotation cushion none of the US Airlines would order it any other way than with 700 seats and MAYBE 1 or 2 bars-if they ever order it at all. They can forget the shopping, workout room, etc etc. That's pure fantasy.

All Boeing has to do is to enlarge the hump to run almost the length of the plane, add a couple of feet of wingspan and slighty larger engines and you have an A380.

By the way, I'm not a big fan of having the wing root box made of composites either, the way the A-380 has it.



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

I sure as hell wont want to squeeze into any 800 seat flying albatross.

Which airline is planning to fly it in all-Eco???


All Boeing has to do is to enlarge the hump to run almost the length of the plane, add a couple of feet of wingspan and slighty larger engines and you have an A380.

If it's so easy - why isn't Boeing doing it? Probably they just need an engineer like YOU?  Laugh out loud


By the way, I'm not a big fan of having the wing root box made of composites either, the way the A-380 has it.

Watch out - Boeing's 7E7 will consist of even more composite parts...  Wink/being sarcastic


Regards
Udo


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17423 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

"the A380 will change travel the way the 747 did!...."

Not in Noel Forgeard's wildest dreams! The A380 represents a 30+% increase in seats over the 747 whereas the 747 was a 170% increase in seating capacity over it's next biggest successful competitor, the 707, at the time of its unveiling. The A380 is a nice plane, but in reality it's just a bigger, better 747. It will not revolutionize much of anything beyond reducing unit costs and possibly upgrading the first and business class experience.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Watch out - Boeing's 7E7 will consist of even more composite parts

Not the wing root. Fuselage, yes; wings yes.

If it's so easy - why isn't Boeing doing it? Probably they just need an engineer like YOU?

They decided rather to focus energy and money they have to EARN on a plane with a real future in the market, the 7e7. And yes, I have a college degree in Aviation Technology from Northwestern. Do you??

Which airline is planning to fly it in all-Eco???

Knowing the geniuses we have here running the USA airlines right now, I have no doubt some American carrier CEO will come up with that brilliant idea. Acting devilish




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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

They decided rather to focus energy and money they have to EARN on a plane with a real future in the market, the 7e7.

You made it sound as an easy re-fit. Don't you remember what you said?
And as far as the possible future market is concerned, it's likely both models will succeed.


And yes, I have a college degree in Aviation Technology from Northwestern. Do you??

I have never questioned your skills - I just suggested you should speak up at Boeing.  Wink/being sarcastic


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Bmi hype is all it is. Airbus has chosen prestige over value.  Smile


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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Bmi hype is all it is. Airbus has chosen prestige over value.

What exactly is "value" in your opinion? Can you provide a definition? And as long as the customers buy the prestige object, I don't see a problem...  Wink/being sarcastic


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

or a blue coloured A388 (heck, Airbus already painted the A380 in B6's colour scheme)...it fits B6's "commonality" fleet very well....thats until the Embraers come along..


"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineSingaporegirl From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 302 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

i'm not some airline ceo, nor trying to pretend to be one... but as a singapore airlines cabin crew, i can attest that there are some airlines out there (like sq) that really need very large aircrafts, such as the a380s. i've been flying for sq for almost 10 years now and i've seen the increase of pax... for e.g. the sin-lhr leg. it did go down for a little bit after 9/11 or during the sars crisis, but today we have more pax flying that route than we did in 2000. as you all know that lhr has slot restrictions, therefore (at least for the moment) sq can't send any more aeroplanes to lhr. our megatops hold 375 in 3 classes and the a380 will carry 490 in 3 classes, therefore that's going to be a substantial increase for us, w/o sending out anymore flights. also with the a380s sq will able to provide more pampering towards our premium f/j pax (which tend to be our frequent flyers, and big revenue for sq in general) with the extra cabin space that we're going to have, which is important for us in order to compete with ba or qf who are operating the same route.


Ladies & Gentlemen, we will now demonstrate the use of the safety equipment on this aircraft...
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

I was looking through the paper today and it showed the a380 against a 744 and to be honest what's all the hype about its not longer its not much taller than the 744s hump and it slower SO why is it the future?

The A380 will cruise M0.05 faster than a 747 and have a max speed comparable at M0.89.

Not the wing root. Fuselage, yes; wings yes.

You're wrong.

And yes, I have a college degree in Aviation Technology from Northwestern.

You're lying. Northwestern University does not offer a "college degree" in Aviation Technology, nor do they even have a program for aerospace engineering. Further, best I can tell they never have.

Care to rephrase anything at this point?

N


User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

I have never questioned your skills - I just suggested you should speak up at Boeing.

Sorry Udo. Sometimes I take these threads FAR too seriously! And yes I agree that both models will likely succeed.




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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Sorry Udo. Sometimes I take these threads FAR too seriously!

Which we all shouldn't do!


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Someone with a college degree wouldn't suggest that resizing the 747 would be easy.

As for all-economy A380's, I don't quite comprehend why it should be less comfortable than an all-economy 777. You're not even going to see the people on the other deck unless you go looking for them.

Passport control issues are another matter, and they're terrible in the US no matter what you're flying.

Edit: I agree that the shopping malls etc. are complete bullshit.

[Edited 2005-01-19 21:00:15]

User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2956 times:
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Great thread. I learned a lot here. I think those people though that have never "WORKED" in the airline industry need to listen to those who do. They are the front line soldiers that can tell you how it is. I was a former worker for Delta. I can say that Delta will have no need for such an airframe. They tried 747's for a few months, and found they were more expensive than their worth.

I can also see the nightmare it will be to work this aircraft. I have worked both gate agent and ramp agent roles. The ramp agent won't be difficult as this "should" be a Containerized aircraft. The gate, however will be EXTREMELY busy. 777 gates in ATL are a mad house on a full flight, so multiply that times 2 and you got a mess. They would have to board through several doors. There is no way that 2 door boarding will accomplish a loading in less than 30 minutes. I imagine people will be sitting on this aircraft for a good 1 - 2 hours just waiting for the rest of the passengers to board.

All in all nice aircraft, just not to my taste. The aircraft is the ugliest thing to ever fly the sky, and no matter what poetic spin you put on it, I'm sure people are set on what the think. It is either great or hideous. You all make your choice and get over it.

Are there any helicopter pilots on this forum?

Chris


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

777 gates in ATL are a mad house on a full flight

Yeah... but arguably Concourse E, while beautiful, wasn't well designed for large aircraft with the single jetways and small gate areas.

You'll find a lot of helo pilots in the military forum.

N


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

What exactly is "value" in your opinion?
Cheese and Eggs w/ bacon or sausage at Waffle House  Big thumbs up

Airbus has chosen prestige over value.
Don't see how this comes as a surprise. This is the European way. Value is not key. Prestige and quality is. If you want value you buy American. If you want quality you buy European.


User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2907 times:
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Most people don't put a computer in charge of lives. It is rare, and scary to relinquish control like that. I'm referring to the computer having more authority than the pilot like all other airbus's have. Remember the Paris Airshow where the computer wanted to see the tree cutting abilities of the A319 or was a A320.. I dunnno, but that scares the living dookie out of me.


Chris


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

What a pity that all the people who know about the strategy of running airlines and aerospace companies are too busy going to school.  Insane

User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
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I beg your pardon Backfire, I Imagine you are still in school. I completed my academic portion, but I'm still going through the school of life....

Chris


User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

I do find it very difficult to believe that many, if any, airlines will fly A380's with all the amenities that were presented. It just cannot be economically feasible. As was quickly discovered with the 747 in the early 70's, a great big plane with too much space dedicated to luxury (lounges, bars, ?gyms), rather than seating, will not pay the bills.


I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17423 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

"Remember the Paris Airshow where the computer wanted to see the tree cutting abilities of the A319 or was a A320.. I"

The number of accidents caused by human error faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar outweigh the number of accidents caused "by the computer".



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User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
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I still trust the man at the controls with the final call than that computer who has MORE authority to say whatever, sit there and shuddup and watch me crash this thing.

Chris


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Don't see how this comes as a surprise. This is the European way. Value is not key.

Are you still talking about eggs, cheese and waffles???  Wink/being sarcastic


Prestige and quality is. If you want value you buy American. If you want quality you buy European.

It depends on what's the definition of value.
And if I can get quality, I go for it and don't care about prestige.


Regards
Udo


25 Daedaeg : Don't see how this comes as a surprise. This is the European way. Value is not key. Prestige and quality is. If you want value you buy American. If yo
26 Singaporegirl : regarding the boarding process of the a380s, my understanding is that at changi's upcoming terminal 3, we're going to have a 2 stories gates for the a
27 Post contains images ExFATboy : At the risk of arguing semantics, "quality" and "value" are not synonymous. "Quality" is an absolute, whereas "value" is a relative measurement of qua
28 Cloudboy : Does anyone have a copy of that picture? I have been looking for a silouette composite illustration. Not that I think it looks as beautifulas the 747,
29 Leelaw : IMO, the A380's design is transitional rather than evolutional, but hardly unimpressive.
30 777236ER : The A380 will cruise M0.05 faster than a 747 and have a max speed comparable at M0.89. The 747-400 standard cruise speed is Mach 0.85, how do you work
31 Gigneil : I'm sorry, I mistyped. I meant .005. M0.855 for the 744 vs. 0.86 for the 380 was the comparison I was looking for. Thanks for catching my mistake. N
32 Post contains images ATLFlyer323 : Ya well Udo, I think he deserved to say what he said If it's so easy - why isn't Boeing doing it? Probably they just need an engineer like YOU? -That
33 Udo : -That has a pretty sarcastic tone to it if you ask me?? I Dont think he should have appoligized. I have never asked for an apology. Regards Udo
34 B727-200 : If the launch of any new aircraft regardless of size or manufacturer does not impress you, then what the hell are you doing on Airliners.net???? For
35 Post contains images ATLFlyer323 : I have never asked for an apology. -and I never said you asked for one, I just said I dont think he should have nothing in there mentioned anything ab
36 Chiawei : huh??? If Airbus cruising speed is 0.05 mach faster than 744, there is something wrong with its max cruise speed. 744 cruise is between 0.86 and 0.85
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