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Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's  
User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5473 times:

Just read in Airliner world that Avianca is in negotiations to acquire 30 former AA Fokker 100's.

Has there been any progress on this, or is it just speculation?


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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

interesting..

do you have any link on that?



User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

No I just read it in the Airliner World magazine Jan 2005 issue.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5395 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1912981

This has been discussed under the above link.

I'm sure AV will get part of the F-100s order.

Ocean Air VP said in a press interview in Rio de Janeiro that the number is 29 x F100, and AV would get part of it, to be split among AV, Ocean Air, VIP and newly established Wayra Peru

Rgs and tks for reinforcing the news!

Hardi


User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

It was know Avianca’s new owner, German Efromovich was negotiating the acquisition of Fokkers in November..

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Indeed, the news for me is that the F-100s are coming from AA. I thought that they would come from JJ! JJ was once the biggest operator of F-100 and is replacing them with Airbuses.

I think F-100 would fit AV quite well, and you may expect new air connections among airports in Colombia, Peru, Ecuador and Brazil.

Rgs,


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

This is being discussed under this link:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1912981


User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Yes thats what is says.

It also says they are to support the revised business plan.

Very vague I know, but thats all it says in the mag.

I hope they get them, its a shame to see those birds sitting in the desert.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Thanks for this new source, and especially for the info as to where these aircraft are coming from.
This has been discussed http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1912981/
It is unlikely that AV would take such number of F100s, even if to replace its MD83s, but it has been reported that 29 of the type would be divided up between the airlines of Sinergy group: Newly acquired AV, Brazilian commuter airline OceanAir, new Peruvian Wayra and a small Ecuatorian airline.


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5313 times:

Nice!! Now that we get some concrete info, it looks brighter.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

The info was the same as in the previous link....the only additional info is that the planes would come from AA and not JJ....again, the F-100 seem to be confirmed, as stated by Ocean Air VP in an interview to a Brazilian newspaper.

Rgs,



User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4887 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5241 times:
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are there still that many F100s available??? how many are still parked somewhere?

User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

Not sure but I would assume at least 30.

A few are being picked up and used in europe now aren't they?

Didn't Helvetic use former USAirways F100's


User currently offlineVatry From Ireland, joined Sep 2004, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

As of end of 2004 American were only sitting on 31 frames max, so this would fairly well clean them out at Mojave.

User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

How old are those 30 Former AA F100's ???


MDE: First airport in the Americas visited by the A380!
User currently offlineVatry From Ireland, joined Sep 2004, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

They run from late 91 to mid 94.

User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

They are 15 years old, but in a very good condition .
AA will replace them in the next years with the new 737 8, but this will take at least 5 years to replace the aprox 60 F100.
On domestic routes would fit perfectly, less pax, more frequencies and less operational cost than a MD.



User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

AA will replace them in the next years with the new 738, but this will take at least 5 years to replace the aprox 60 F100.


What are you talking about? I think you missed something...  Yeah sure




SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

AA will replace those F100 with the 737/800
What part did i messed?


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4883 times:


...The part where AA already has all of their F100s out of the fleet.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

AA dont have F100 in their fleet right now, the last one was retired in SEp 2004.

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

You also missed that the 738 is almost twice the size with twice the range of the F100. AA would be smart to stop Boeing from closing the 717 line while they still have a chance and not end up like NW with the 753


Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

So finally AV will have owned planes! Good for them. Now there's no excuse for not starting BOG-MAR and BOG-VLN flights, hehe.

User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

this will take at least 5 years to replace the aprox 60 F100.


That's precisely why this sentence sounded ridiculous; case of misunderstanding.




SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

According to AA:
AA and Boeing announced that American will defer 54 of 56 aircraft originally scheduled for delivery between 2005 and 2009.The delivery of 47 737 /800
and seven B 777, aircraft will be deferred by six years.
American active fleet consists of over 730 aircraft. This does not include American Eagle.


The retired F100 are the ones that they are selling, 10 of them are already flying in a Canadian LCC, some of them in Africa, and the remaining are still for sale.
Conversations with Aerolineas Universal, never ended in a good deal.


25 BALandorLivery : It's JetsGo that have the former AA F100's in Canada isn't it? I read somewhere that they were getting more of them too.
26 MIASkies : Sounds great, I think the F100 will fit great with AVIANCA's short-haul routes. I know we won't be seeing them in MIA at all but what are some possibl
27 757MDE : I repeat what I said in an earlier post regarding the same thing. I highly doubt AV will get those, and even less to get 30. It's not like they're gon
28 SOUTHAMERICA : Indeed, these news are definitely pushing it. To start off, the 30 Fokkers are most likely to be divided between the companies under the Synergy umbre
29 RCS763av : As in the other thread, wont believe it until Juan Emilio Posada or Efromovich do an announcement...
30 757MDE : Juan Emilio either... I just won't believe until I see it.
31 BALandorLivery : We'll just have to wait and see what becomes of the discussions. Lets try to be optomistic though, I think it would be a good thing for Avianca
32 Post contains images Tango-Bravo : The retired F100 are the ones that they are selling, 10 of them are already flying in a Canadian LCC, some of them in Africa, and the remaining are st
33 Vatry : Jetsgo, Austrian and Helvetic received ex AA Fk100's Germania are ex US, EU Jet are a mix of Gill and TAM. Montenegro aircraft came from a variety of
34 MauriceB : A small number of AA aircraft have also, or are due to be, broken up. yup, not that they are bad but they were cheap, so it makes more sense for airli
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