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New Finnair Business Class Seat  
User currently offlineScandinavian From Sweden, joined Sep 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

Hello everybody!

I just found a picture of the new Finnair business class seat for their MD11 fleet.

http://www.finnair.fi/filecontent/fi/seat/chair.html

Looks fine! What do you think?

Regards


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User currently offlineFunFlying From Finland, joined Jul 2001, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Looks absolutely great! Got a presentation today of the seat and it's going to be very nice!

In other news, Finnair is starting twice-weekly Helsinki-Stockholm (Skavsta)-Boston -flights this June with the B-757.

FF



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

It looks really good. Kind of reminds me of how the new Lufthansa business class seat looks. Of course most lie flat seats are pretty similar though. It is good to see Finnair bringing a competitive product to the marekt.


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User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

It's kind of painful to see them refer to it as the Boeing MD11 Business Class Lie-flat Seat.

These airlines have no shame.

Derek


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

FunFlying,

Is the BOS flight confirmed? It would be awesome seeing a Finnair B757 at BOS!!!!

Tony



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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8561 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5313 times:
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Thanks for the link!

I sure look forward to trying them out later this year Smile



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5305 times:

Lie-flat seats on MD-11s? This is not serious! Are they going to instal IFE/PTV on economy?  Smile

Rgs,


User currently offlineScf158 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5310 times:

it seems a lot like LH's new lie flat seat...

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

No Y PTV on M11.

They have even replaced the old MD-11 logos on the planes with a ridiculous looking BOEING MD-11 text....



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User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 976 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5287 times:

These are the same seats that Iberia and South African have installed. It is the Sicma Majesty seat. Looks great with the Finnair colors. I'm glad there is still a passenger MD-11 flying scheduled flights. It is one good looking aircraft.


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User currently offlineOhlbu From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Well, Boeing MD11 is the official name of the type. Shame that the seats wont be installed until the year´s end. Economy will profit by getting lcd-screens in place of the current roof-mounted monitors, but no ptv. Finnair is a low-cost-service airline with the cost-structure of a mainline carrier. New crew rest areas will also be fitted to the back of the cabin, I suppose this will be done at the same time as the business-refit.

User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

"Finnair is a low-cost-service airline with the cost-structure of a mainline carrier."

Come on. Have you ever been on a low cost airline? The MD-11 may not have PTV:s, but introducing them now would be financial suicide. Just wait until they upgrade their fleet.


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

Finnair is a low-cost-service airline with the cost-structure of a mainline carrier.

I didn't know low cost airlines serve hot meals within Europe and two hot meals on HEL-BKK for example. A close rival of AY is slipping towards low cost all the time...



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User currently offlineOhlbu From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

Killjoy,

No, I´ve never been on a low-cost flight and never intend to. Never will go to LIDL either as the "cheap cheap cheap"-concept just repulses me. Tavis-meininkiä.

By low-cost-service I meant the general service attitude of the crew, especially on long-haul flights. They really know how to make the customer feel unwanted! And also the MD11 cabin, with no ptv and cramped C-section seating. But I also understand why they do not want to upgrade the aircraft, why do it for Aurinkomatkat (tour operator) IT-pax who pay a price for the flight which is under the yield? Just feel sorry for the people who transfer in HEL from European destinations to Finnair´s long-haul, as they would be much better off with EK/BA/VS etc.


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

AY longhaul crew is no worse than SK/LH/KL etc. in my opinion. Economy class on long hauls is always a pain, so Finnair is often the best alternative with nonstop flights for me.

The cattle section of MD-11s is a disgrace, hopefully they won't have that sort of seating arrangements on the new widebodies in the future. I can't believe they changed it to 3-4-3 on all MD-11s.



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User currently offlineOhlbu From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

That is why I say my evening prayers for the A350 to replace the MD, give me 2-4-2 any day. In Finnair´s MD11 you request 21JL, the best seats in eco.

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

Yes I guess 777s would have 3-4-3 seating all the way. 22H is also good on the M11, I just hate that the exit rows are in the 3-4-3 section.


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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

The front part of the economy section is actually 3-4-2. I can't understand why they'd do that, since it'll mess with their marketing (you won't know what you're getting when you buy the ticket). Selling it as Economy+ or having a consistent cabin would be more logical.

In any case, it's probable Finnair will order the B7E7 or the A350, so the seats should be wider in the future. Going from 8 to 9 should be harder than squeezing in an extra tenth seat  Smile .

As for the crew, I've never had a problem myself. Still, it's a subjective matter, and some employees may be worse than others. The new asian personnel has however always been very pleasant so far - I'm glad they decided to hire local staff from the countries they fly to.

[Edited 2005-01-21 00:23:33]

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

The new asian personnel has however always been very pleasant so far - I'm glad they decided to hire local staff from the countries they fly to.

My experience too. And the Finnish crews tried to get AY to court for this - lower salaries or something silly.



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User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Well, boys, eat your porridge and you'll get a BBJ each! No Lidl-syndrome, no cattlecars, plentiest of plenty legroom. Extremely agreeable flight attendants 2!

You'll not believe me when I say that the people sitting/resting/playing cricket in the AY planes will be 80% Asians by 2015, and the major type then flown is the A380, but mark my words.

cheers,
Non-flyer




User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

They did that because they thought AY was trying to replace them with low-cost asian employees. They backed down when management told them to learn japanese, thai and chinese or shut up Big grin .

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8143 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Ohlbu: "No, I've never been on a low-cost flight and never intend to." Oh come on, you're willing to pay an extra £200 for a newspaper and a gross croissant?

Eilennaei: an interesting point. It's certainly true that Asia - China in particular - is going to see an explosion of outbound travel, and Finnair, with it's long history of serving Asia, combined with it's idea geographic location, is well situated to do very well. It does indeed sound like sci-fi but I can also see half a dozen A380s with Finnair flying to China, HK, Thailand, Japan et al and feeding the pax onto A350s bound for all the European capitals.



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User currently offlineCyberual From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

just a little off topic...how many Asian crew per flight to Asian destination? Is it like LH where lets say flt to BKK will be staffed with at least 5 Thais? Where are these Asian crew based at? Just curious because last time I flew AY BKK-SIN were all old mamas.

User currently offlineScandinavian From Sweden, joined Sep 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Lufthansa747: "A close rival of AY is slipping towards low cost all the time..."

I guess you mean SAS..... Sad

By the way, does somebody know when SAS will introduce new business class seats on their A330/340 aircraft?

Cheers



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User currently offlineOhlhd From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Looks great the new seat.

By the way, did AY gain a profit last year, couldn´t find anything in the net.



25 Lufthansa747 : Scandinavian - unfortunately yes... They were my favourite just three years ago with great service. But now - same prices and I get 125 vs 1250 miles
26 Anstar : Nice to see another Oneworld carrier with an improved J class product. Only AA & EI to go!
27 Ohlbu : Killjoy, The front part of eco in Finnair´s MD11 is 3-4-2 so you get wider seats with adjustable neck-rests. These seats can be booked in advance if
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