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BA And Possible 7E7 Order  
User currently offlinePhil747 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 14 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11064 times:

Just been told by someone at BA that all long haul 767s are being refurbished with new club world and world traveller + to keep them going until the 7E7 comes on line.... watch for an order.

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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5667 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10846 times:

Did they say when the order will come and for how many and which versions of the 7E7? I would think it'll be for the -8 and -9.


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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10646 times:

The fact that BA is investing in the 767-336ER fleet by fitting them with the dusk cabins and moving four from short haul to long haul indicates that they do have a future at the airline for the time being. Eventual replacement is likely to be be the 7E7 or A350 but I think an order is a good few years away.

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10424 times:

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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10396 times:
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But having said that First Choice Airways are investing millions upgrading their 767 fleet, and they will also be one of the first 7E7 customers to take delivery of the new type to begin to replace the 767 in 2008/9.

My understanding is that the "Dusk" conversion for BA's 767s will be new seats, rather than a full upgrade to the 777-style enhanced interior.

I think it's still entirely possible that BA could order the 7E7 now for delivery from 2010 onwards, that's still 5-7 years use out of the dusked 767s, and will allow BA to remain competitive in the meantime...

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User currently offlineReady4Pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Personally, I completely agree with Shamrock_747, and I reckon it will be years before BA even orders them for delivery whenever.

User currently offlineTrevd From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Depends how soon they want them. If they are going to want them before 2010 they will have to firm up an order soon. Delivery positions in 2008 and 2009 are just about sold. If they can afford to wait until '10 or '11 then there should be no hurry.

User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10095 times:

I hope this rumor is true, another major 7e7 customer with the prestige of BA would be a great thing to see.


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User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10035 times:

I would think that one of the things that airline planners keep an eye on is the timing of their fleet needs. In other words, when will we need a particular type of plane and when do we need to order it to make sure we get it when we need it.

I am sure that this is not an exact science, as situations. loads, and conditions change. My feeling is that BA knows when they want to start receiving planes to replace their 767's and by keeping in touch with Boeing and Airbus, they will have a pretty good idea when they need to step forward to secure the slots they need.

By the way, have you noticed that the big leasing companies have not stepped forward yet? I know they are never first, but when is it that they will start to secure slots?

Mike


User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5667 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10017 times:

By the way, have you noticed that the big leasing companies have not stepped forward yet? I know they are never first, but when is it that they will start to secure slots?

ILFC said on Tuesday tha tthey are in talks with Boeing to buy 20 7E7s and that a deal might conclude shortly.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9504 times:

By the way, have you noticed that the big leasing companies have not stepped forward yet? I know they are never first, but when is it that they will start to secure slots?

Keep in mind that they've also backed off of buying massive 90s style orders with no customers lined up, particularly after such episodes as the 764.... nowadays, the usually have a fair number of interested parties in the wings before they invest in a new aircraft.


User currently offlineJulius2005 From Cuba, joined Sep 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

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User currently offlineJulius2005 From Cuba, joined Sep 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

ALSO CONSIDER ITS A GOOD FACT THAT BA IS CHANGING B763 SH INTO LH IT IS A GOOD INDICATOR FOR THE AIRLENE


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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

How old are BA's 767s? If they have a bunch of planes built in the beginning of the production run, why not start making plans to replace them with 7E7s? Those things are pushing 20 years old. If they have planes that were built in the early to mid-90s, they probably have up to an additional 10 years of service until they need to get replaced. Why not put the new interior in those planes? They will have them long enough to get their money's worth. If BA replaces the 767s with 7E7s, I bet the delivery schedule will match the 767 retirement schedule pretty closely.


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User currently offlineRb211ltn From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

I think most of you have got it right. The 767's are being refitted as an alternative to replacement, not as a prelude to it. Their aircraft still have a lot of life left in them and BA simply don't have the money to order a replacement right now. They have also stated that they can't afford the A380, too. Personally, I think they will buy the A380. They will have to, the competition will all have them and passengers want to fly on the latest technology.


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User currently offlineReady4Pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

...but I read in another post that they are hinting that it's a possibility (A380)...
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1917266/

It would be great to see BA flying both of these new planes. And the chances are....?


User currently offlineDreamcraft From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Nov 2003, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

This would be great news for Boeing, particularly this week with the 'reveal' launch of the A380. (which incidentally I think is a huge mistake for Airbus-although I really do hope I am wrong) Innovation is always a good thing even if it is not a commercial success.

User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

I think BA are more likely to keep the 767's flying for as long as possible and order 10 or s A380's - slots at Heathrow are only going to become inceasingly scarce and valuable and the only way to expand their capacity at Heathrow is through bigger planes.

Why would they replace 767's that still have 10 years life in them?


User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

All major airlines, irrespective of their financial position, can currently secure 7e7 options in 2010/11 for small change.

Most will do so in 2005, including BA.

The options can be sold, $'s transferred to other B models, deferred, and if push came to shove (very unlikely), cancelled and $'s written off.

Performance in theory is not an issue, as it's covered in the contract. However, at this early stage, B are probably not keen to accept small +/- performance margins supported by penalty clauses.

And of course, BA and B will have to agree on price, which for 2010 will be quite different to 2008.


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

BA's oldest 767s are barely 15 years old, and the newer aircraft BZHA-C are much more recent. BA had flirted with the idea of disposing the fleet to the RAF, however the project went to Airbus for new build aircraft, but are now pretty much resigned to the fact that they are operating an "orphan" fleet of RR powered aircraft for which there are few buyers. Unless they can secure a 757 style DHL type deal for the entire fleet the 767s are staying firmly put for some time yet. The only talk of new orders within the company is of a possible A380 order, but even that is some time off.


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

How many WT+ seats across? 2-2-2? and club world 1-2-2 like QF?

User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5150 times:

I can see BA having both A380s and 7E7/A350s but not before 2012!

Also, there are very few long haul 767s in BA's fleet as many of them have been transferred and reconfigured to serve trunk European routes (Club Europe/Euro Traveller). (FRA, IST, PRG, NCE, ARN and many many more).

So if the upgrade is only to the long haul 763s.. its rather minor.

Right now the long haul routes that I know BA is serving with 767s are Dar-es-Salaam, Grand Cayman, Gambia... (BWI was upgraded to 777 I believe).

Does anyone know of other long haul BA 767 routes?


User currently offlineRoblondon70 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5056 times:

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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4963 times:

4 more 767s are being converted to long haul configuration, leaving 7 aircraft in short haul layout.......numbers of short haul aircraft are definitely dropping rather than increasing  Confused


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25 Whitehatter : Don't expect any BA order in the near term. Focus is still on repaying debt, in order to improve the company value and share price. A company with low
26 Dayflyer : If they can't afford it don't buy it. Dl is carrying $20 BILLION in debt and look where it's gotten them. I would rather BA not order until they are h
27 Post contains images European : An Airline would Like to keep costermers comming, And to keep there fleet modern and looked after well, If you think about it, It is a good 4-5 years
28 SunriseValley : Do BA own or lease their 767's or is there some of both.
29 Richard28 : I'd think any 7e7 order will be years away too. The cost of installing new cabins across the 767 fleet will run into millions, and they will need to g
30 PlaneSmart : No reason why BA cn't order 7e7 (or A38) in 2005 for delivery in 2010/11, and still keep true to Eddington's targets. The cost of options are petty ca
31 Skateruk : BA's boss, Rod Eddington, has come out and stated on Thursday that: "British Airways currently operates one of the world's youngest long-range fleets.
32 DeltaWings : Makes sense if BA replaced the domestic B763s with B7E3s, and the long-haul B763s with the B7E8. ~DeltaWings
33 SunriseValley : Interesting that they would be reconfiguring their 767's . I believe it was NZ that said they would find the increased weight to do their -300ER's ove
34 Post contains links Jacobin777 : here is a cool photo of the 7E7 in BA colours...looks cool..but I doubt we'll be seeing it for a while (if ever) http://allimom.album.atomic-systems.c
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