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New Tupolev TU-204 Photos!  
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13155 times:

http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=154&Page=1

Does anybody think this plane will be a success?? :-|


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13077 times:

Maybe they just moved the 757 assembly line from Renton.


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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13063 times:

Funny, but do you think the Russians have a chance to penetrate the U.S. market with the tu-204 and the il-96?


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User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13026 times:

One simple word will answer that:

No



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12961 times:

Can you please elaborate?


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8376 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12860 times:

Wmupilot, that's what people said about Airbus 30 years ago. I don't expect Russian aircraft to penetrate the US market during the current generation of airline managers. There are still a lot of stereotypes about Russia. But wait for the next generation and I guaranty you they will be competing on equal terms with Boeing and Airbus.

User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 972 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12845 times:

Alberchico wrote:
>>>
Does anybody think this plane will be a success?? :-|
<<<

I hope it is. Always thought the 204 is a good looking aircraft, and these photos show that, both inside and out. They certainly are one-up on Airbus for pax cabin window size!

More here on the TU-204/214



LD4



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

Russian and other east european planemakers can only sell cargo and firefighting planes to the USofA or small planes like the Be-103.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3795 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12631 times:
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So far the only airline from the Western world operating a Russian built airliner is TNT:

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So yes, there could be a market for the TU-204/214 aircraft in the rest of the world, although not in the near future. These aircraft are not just certified under Russian standards, they are certified in compliance with FAA and JAR standards. I think all safety and navigation equipments meet ICAO requirements.

It has been mentionened in an earlier reply and I'll say it again: 30 years ago nobody thought Airbus would ever sell airplanes to US carriers.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium




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User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12609 times:

Well, I hope fans of Continental Airlines like the looks of these birds. When they start getting the 757 w/ winglets to come on line in the fleet soon, something tells me they may look just a liiiiiittle bit similar.  Big grin

User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12559 times:

no,sorry, but no way, the reputation of the russian airliner market/airline industry is shattered, perhaps forever, My own mother knows nothing about planes, but whenever she knows theres a 'Russian' plane about, or she knows she may be on a 'Russian' aircraft (she knows because I tell her) she cringes, and will go nowhere near it.

Good luck to Tupolev, but no way will it penetrate the wesatern passenger market-yes, maybe cargo, but only because the cargo wont know its flying on a 'Russian' plane.


User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12493 times:

@ Sevenair:

you said it, she knows nothing about planes...

ciao
Daniel


User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1042 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12486 times:

with schröders speech at the rollout (cooperation with russian manufacturers) we have a good chance to see the russian industrie recovering. this surely is a long term project. but aviation industry is a good deal political. and russia for sure wont give up its interests. i expect a close cooperation between airbus and russia. probably in the style of car manufacturers, most of them own other, cheaper manufacturers, just to cover the market. maybe we will also see sort of low-cost manufacturers on the market.


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User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12261 times:

amm

ahem, the Tu-204 has been around for quite a while now... it was designed in the late 80s as a Tu-154 replacement...

Whether it can at least theoretically go into service with wetsern airlines - yes.

Whether it will... unfortunately I have my doubts


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12243 times:

If the Russian industry is shattered as mentioned here, then why is Boeing investing in a Sukhoi project for a regional jet...??

Cheers!



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12072 times:

The only way you'd see this aircraft ever operate for a US airline is if it had an American name on it, say "Lockheed-Tupelov". Something akin to the Douglas-Sud Aviation Caravelle from the 60s.

Considering the market for new seven-fives fizzled and died, plus there are bound to be plenty of second hand 757s around, it ain't going to happen. Not in my lifetime.



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User currently offlineAndersNilsson From Sweden, joined May 2004, 417 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10146 times:

The Tu-204 family is a worthy successor to the Tu-154 like the 757 to the 727.

Anders



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User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Never say never...

There's a hot competition going on right now for the next presidential helicopter. Who is one of the leading contender, the Euro's EH-101, with a Lockheed name in front of course. For the nay sayers that say it cannot happen, to think the President of the United States, flying in a European helicopter!!


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3303 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

I don't know...I think it looks more like an A321 than a 757, especially in the nose section. Anyone else?


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User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Why don't you stop comparing it either to the A321 or to the 757?
It's a Tu-204-300 nothing more, nothing less.

Regards



User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8082 times:

how do the operating economics compare to the A321? The 757 is out of production now anyway.

Are those RB211s on the TNT Tu-204?



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User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Yes, those are RB.211s.
Part of Tupolev's plan to try to sell the a/c to western airlines.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

I think it will take more than Rolls engines to see this plane to Western airlines, at least here in the US.

Aeronuts, you are right about the Presidential helicopter. I live in Sikorsky country and most people here would be shocked if this project was "outsourced"!

Off the topic: Has the sitting President ever flown in a foreign-made aircraft? Concorde, for example? Just curious...



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User currently offlineTransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 6070 times:

Will the Tu-204 break into the western markets? Most likely not. Will ANY Russian airliners be seen in the western market in the near future? Maybe. It depends on how successfully Russia integrates into the world economy. If Russia becomes similar to a Western European economy, with real private ownership and financial transparency, it's only a matter of time until we see a Russian mfgr compete with the west. However, as long as things remain murky in the CIS, we won't see any Russian airliners breaking into the world market. Russia's reputation as a whole needs to change before we see any serious interest.

User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 5962 times:

The only thing keeping the Russians away is the deeply-rooted prejudice of the current generation of decision-makers, aged 50+ typically. There are absolutely no technical reasons why a two-man-crew Russian-made aircraft could not be a success on any suitable market. There is, I'm sure, a new generation of salesmen emerging from Russia as well.

regards





25 Bmi330 : I think some of the European airlines should have bought Russian airliners think of how cheap you can buy them all we need is Roman ambrvic to by bmi
26 PapaNovember : I agree with KFLLCFII. I think it looks more like an Airbus than the 757.
27 MD11LuxuryLinr : ~"I agree with KFLLCFII. I think it looks more like an Airbus than the 757."~ Dare I say it looks like an Airbusized 757? Look Ma, it's one of those 7
28 Post contains links JetBlueAtJFK : Its basically just an A321 and a 757 put together and renamed. But then you would have to look at the performance of the plane. If it is just like an
29 Jcs17 : Oh, give me a break! If you really think that there is some kind of predjudice against Russian-built jetliners by Western airlines, you'd be absolutel
30 Richie87 : This is a fascinating topic... and one that has long interested me. It's true that the post cold-war Russian aerospace companies have come up with som
31 Post contains images ERJ : Richie87: I agree. If I weren't already halfway through my thesis, I think this might have been a fun topic I think the TU-204 has great potential. Un
32 Post contains links Skydrol : It also seems that Pavel Soloviyov has put some decent technology into the PS-90A powerplant for the TU-204/214 and IL-96. LD4
33 Eilennaei : "...parts for Boeing, MD, and Airbus are a lot easier to come by then parts for Russian aircraft in the Western world. Also there would be a huge a/c
34 Post contains links DfwRevolution : Funny, but do you think the Russians have a chance to penetrate the U.S. market with the tu-204 and the il-96? No... the vast majority of western airl
35 Eilennaei : The IL-86/96 still flies, and will be flying for some time to come, heaven knows for how long. Even the IL-62 is around and active in scheduled servic
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