Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8670 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12999 times:
Wmupilot, that's what people said about Airbus 30 years ago. I don't expect Russian aircraft to penetrate the US market during the current generation of airline managers. There are still a lot of stereotypes about Russia. But wait for the next generation and I guaranty you they will be competing on equal terms with Boeing and Airbus.
So yes, there could be a market for the TU-204/214 aircraft in the rest of the world, although not in the near future. These aircraft are not just certified under Russian standards, they are certified in compliance with FAA and JAR standards. I think all safety and navigation equipments meet ICAO requirements.
It has been mentionened in an earlier reply and I'll say it again: 30 years ago nobody thought Airbus would ever sell airplanes to US carriers.
Northwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12748 times:
Well, I hope fans of Continental Airlines like the looks of these birds. When they start getting the 757 w/ winglets to come on line in the fleet soon, something tells me they may look just a liiiiiittle bit similar.
Sevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12698 times:
no,sorry, but no way, the reputation of the russian airliner market/airline industry is shattered, perhaps forever, My own mother knows nothing about planes, but whenever she knows theres a 'Russian' plane about, or she knows she may be on a 'Russian' aircraft (she knows because I tell her) she cringes, and will go nowhere near it.
Good luck to Tupolev, but no way will it penetrate the wesatern passenger market-yes, maybe cargo, but only because the cargo wont know its flying on a 'Russian' plane.
Macc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1073 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12625 times:
with schröders speech at the rollout (cooperation with russian manufacturers) we have a good chance to see the russian industrie recovering. this surely is a long term project. but aviation industry is a good deal political. and russia for sure wont give up its interests. i expect a close cooperation between airbus and russia. probably in the style of car manufacturers, most of them own other, cheaper manufacturers, just to cover the market. maybe we will also see sort of low-cost manufacturers on the market.
I exchanged political frustration with sexual boredom. better spoil a girl than the world
Aeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10220 times:
Never say never...
There's a hot competition going on right now for the next presidential helicopter. Who is one of the leading contender, the Euro's EH-101, with a Lockheed name in front of course. For the nay sayers that say it cannot happen, to think the President of the United States, flying in a European helicopter!!
TransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6209 times:
Will the Tu-204 break into the western markets? Most likely not. Will ANY Russian airliners be seen in the western market in the near future? Maybe. It depends on how successfully Russia integrates into the world economy. If Russia becomes similar to a Western European economy, with real private ownership and financial transparency, it's only a matter of time until we see a Russian mfgr compete with the west. However, as long as things remain murky in the CIS, we won't see any Russian airliners breaking into the world market. Russia's reputation as a whole needs to change before we see any serious interest.
Eilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6101 times:
The only thing keeping the Russians away is the deeply-rooted prejudice of the current generation of decision-makers, aged 50+ typically. There are absolutely no technical reasons why a two-man-crew Russian-made aircraft could not be a success on any suitable market. There is, I'm sure, a new generation of salesmen emerging from Russia as well.
: I think some of the European airlines should have bought Russian airliners think of how cheap you can buy them all we need is Roman ambrvic to by bmi
: I agree with KFLLCFII. I think it looks more like an Airbus than the 757.
: ~"I agree with KFLLCFII. I think it looks more like an Airbus than the 757."~ Dare I say it looks like an Airbusized 757? Look Ma, it's one of those 7
: Its basically just an A321 and a 757 put together and renamed. But then you would have to look at the performance of the plane. If it is just like an
: Oh, give me a break! If you really think that there is some kind of predjudice against Russian-built jetliners by Western airlines, you'd be absolutel
: This is a fascinating topic... and one that has long interested me. It's true that the post cold-war Russian aerospace companies have come up with som
: Richie87: I agree. If I weren't already halfway through my thesis, I think this might have been a fun topic I think the TU-204 has great potential. Un
: It also seems that Pavel Soloviyov has put some decent technology into the PS-90A powerplant for the TU-204/214 and IL-96. LD4
: "...parts for Boeing, MD, and Airbus are a lot easier to come by then parts for Russian aircraft in the Western world. Also there would be a huge a/c
: Funny, but do you think the Russians have a chance to penetrate the U.S. market with the tu-204 and the il-96? No... the vast majority of western airl
: The IL-86/96 still flies, and will be flying for some time to come, heaven knows for how long. Even the IL-62 is around and active in scheduled servic