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Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006  
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Posted (9 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

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Japan Airlines has announced its plans for the April 1st 2005 to March 31st 2006 period as far as fleet and route changes. The plan includes further introduction of the fuel-efficient B767-300ER, B777-200ER and inauguration of the B777-300ER on long haul routes and the phasing out of the DC-10 from scheduled service.

JAL will introduce the new B777-300ER on long haul flights to Europe. Complete detail of International routes can be found below. As for domestic routes, the plan takes into account the opening of Kobe Airport (Feb 2006) and Chubu Airport, Nagoya, (Feb 2005). While all JAL international and domestic flights operations now operating at Nagoya Komaki Airport will move to Chubu when it opens but commuter flights by subsidiary J-Air will be operated at Komaki. JAL will expand operations of domestic subsidiary JAL Express by the transfer of four MD-81 aircraft to that airline.

Fleet details :
To be retired..
1x 747-200 1x 747-200F 4x DC10-40s 3x A300 2x YS11

Joining fleet
2x 777-300ER 2x 777-200ER 1x 777-200 3x 767-300ER 2x CRJ-200 2x Dh8-400

International route details :

Route Changes

Tokyo-Moscow
Introduction of 2 weekly direct flights by 777-200ER from March 27th.

Tokyo-Rome
Suspension of service via Moscow. Direct service increases to 3 flights a week from March 27th.

Tokyo-London
Current daily 747-400 to change to 777-300ER, resulting in 14 flights per week by 777-200ER or 777-300ER from October 30th.

Tokyo-Frankfurt
From 747-400 to 777-300ER, 7 flights weekly from October 30th.

Tokyo-Paris
Frequency increases by 1 to 10 a week from March 27th.

Osaka-Hanoi
Frequency increases by 1 to 3 a week from March 27th.

Tokyo Haneda
-Seoul Gimpo
Will upgrade from a DC10 to a B747, 7 flights a week from March 27th.

Osaka-Seoul
Frequency increases by 1 to 14 a week from March 27th.

Tokyo-Taipei
Frequency increases by 1 to 21 a week from March 27th.

Tokyo Haneda-Guam
Will operate a daily charter service from July 14th through August 31st with 767-300ER.

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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Behramjee

Thanx for the info. So FRA and LHR are both going 777-300ER from the current 744? Then are these the 744 that are scheduled to be re-configured for cargo ops? I think they are converting two passenger types to freighters by the end of this year.

And do you know any details about the domestic ac? So with Kobe and Chubu opening, are there going to be dramatic increases?

I have always wondered about how the 744D will be used after ITM is not allowed to fly 4 engine ac anymore. Well, at least JL3007 from NRT sees a 744 fly into ITM all the time.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

No really big surprises except more weeklies to Moscow.
At least we now know where the 773ERs will go.

Behramjee, a correction, KIX-ICN will go from 7 to 14 a week.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

It means a small reduction to FRA and LHR. How much less seats are they offering?

Have they anywhere announced the destinations they plan to serve from Kobe and what will stay at Nagoya-Komaki?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

I'm not Airbus bashing here..but the fact JAL are moving to smaller planes to LHR, doesn't that go to show the jumbos for the most part are not in the cards, even for Asian carriers? After all, slot-restricted LHR and Asian countries such as Japan are supposed to be the very reason as to why Airbus has built the 380 in the first place.

intelligent comments welcome



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Just wait for the 7E7 to enter service...

I know of two destinations being worked on right now, both in the US.


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 3465 times:

Alright I'll bite...what are the two US destinations JAL is working on? They've got to be in the Midwest or the East somewhere, I'm guessing. Does JAL fly to SEA?

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Does JAL fly to LHR from Osaka and the new Nagoya airport ?

User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Does JAL fly to SEA?

Nope..used to years ago..not anymore..

TokyoNarita.


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1834 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

I assume most of the major changes will occur with the European network, and Trans-Pacific flights will remain the same. Wow, 777-300ERs onto both LHR and FRA is good news and they will guarantee to have the new F, J, and Y cabin.

I guess we have to wait longer here in the US for the 777-300ERs to come.

Carfield


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Bit of a shock on the LHR flights. Would have thought demand was enough for 2 Daily 744s


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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Alright I'll bite...what are the two US destinations JAL is working on? They've got to be in the Midwest or the East somewhere, I'm guessing. Does JAL fly to SEA?

Two west coast destinations. They estimate 3 years to work out details (about the norm) and get approval. Not LAX or SFO.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

So do they have plans to restart flights to AKL?

Or how about their Australia flights? They have 16 weekly to both SYD and BNE, what are loads like and are they likely to add anymore flights?


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2947 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3002 times:
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Also wanted to add that Nagoya-Busan will be upgraded to a 772ER (from 763) effective Feb 17 (Opening day of Chubu).


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Any news regarding JAL operations to GRU? JAL currenly serves NRT-JFK-GRU 4 x week with the B747.

RG, which operates 4 x week GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT, requested authorisation to increase flights to Japan to daily. RG also wants to change operations in Japan from NRT to NGO. Anyone knows why RG would be interested in flying to NGO instead of NRT?

Rgs,


User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

What do they plan on replacing the DC-10-40s with? A mix of 763s and 772s?


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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

The Brazilian community is based mainly around Nagoya.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Didn't JAL / JAC retire all their YS-11 more than one year ago?

If not mistaken, the last flight was around October 2003.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2707 times:

"Bit of a shock on the LHR flights. Would have thought demand was enough for 2 Daily 744s"

how about 2 A380's since Asian PAX will be leading the world in PAX growth and LHR is slot restricted...  Big grin



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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2689 times:

Ummm.....what two west coast destinations is JAL working on? San Diego (seems strange with LAX so close), Seattle (probably), Portland (wouldn't think there'd be enough demand there for another PDX-NRT flight), Phoenix (not really west coast). What about Boise? Ha.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2650 times:

NRT-YVR-MEX was upgraded to the 744 a few months ago, but it still is 2x weekly. Any news on whether JL could add more frequencies?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

So the West Coast city might be YVR or? Well and they can at the same time add more frequencies to MEX from NRT. 2x weekly doesn't seem like enough and I can imagine that the return from MEX-YVR-NRT might be a hastle to get tickets on.


Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

My bets are San Diego and Seattle, with Phoenix as the wild card. Wouldn't be too hard to sign an agreement with codeshare whore America West, so PHX could turn out to be an interesting opportunity.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Also from Chubu in Febuary NGO - CDG!!!


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2227 times:
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Great to know the 773ER routes assignements. FRA and LHR aren't a big surprise though.


FB.



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25 Karan69 : Is JAL going to start non-stop service from NRT-BOM --there was a rumour about that. I think there is enough demand to fill a 4x weekly service--espec
26 Carpethead : Currently, Korea is the hot int'l market. Japanese tend to go on fads. Vegas used to big, so was Hawaii, Australia & Bali. Hawaii is still a big marke
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