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BA Eyes Airbus For The Long Haul, A380  
User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15474 times:

Not really a surprise..

British Airways yesterday gave its strongest signal to date that it expected eventually to add the Airbus A380 superjumbo to its long-haul fleet.

Rod Eddington, BA chief executive, said the "A380 may well have a role in our long-term fleet development programme."

Mr Eddington is confident that BA would still be able to secure attractive purchase terms, even if it is not among the initial group of launch customers for the A380.

"I've never subscribed to the concept of 'buy now while stocks last'," said Mr Eddington. Airbus needed to sell about 250 aircraft to break even on the A380 project and it was still about 100 short of that target, he said.




http://news.ft.com/cms/s/13e8cf40-6b53-11d9-9357-00000e2511c8.html


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User currently offlineGLADAVE From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14936 times:

Interesting post

I read in the Daily Mail (UK tabloid) that BA were looking at the A380, but if I remember correctly, would wait until other airlines have used the aircraft in order to have 'small issues' sorted and until it has been used and tested by other airlines.


David



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14912 times:

This also seems like an implied hurry the F--- up to Boeing...

...here's to hoping Airbus wins this one  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14854 times:

Interesting detail is Eddington is confident that BA will still be able to secure attractive purchase terms ; "I've never subscribed to the concept of 'buy now while stocks last'," said Mr Eddington. Airbus needed to sell about 250 aircraft to break even on the A380 project and it was still about 100 short of that target, he said.

In a different interview (the same day) Forgeard says : "With 149 orders from 14 airlines, including the most recent order from UPS, plus options, we are not far from the 250 which we expected to reach by 2008,"
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1106247220.html

Seems BA is getting active & the two gentle man had a "chat"..


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14785 times:

Talk about old news...this came out FOUR YEARS AGO:


Eddington confirms BA's A380 interest
Kieran Daly, London (08Jun01, 12:34 GMT, 239 words)

British Airways (BA) CEO Rod Eddington has reiterated his belief that Airbus’ ultra-large A380 probably has a role to play in the carrier’s fleet but makes clear that a formal commitment is not on the airline’s current agenda.

Eddington, who has previously indicated that he is markedly more positive about the 550-seat aircraft than BA has publicly been in the past, notes that Qantas’ A380 order will effectively make the UK carrier an operator of the type through their joint venture on the Sydney-London ‘Kangaroo Route’.

Speaking to Reed Aerospace editors at BA’s London headquarters, Eddington said: “There is no doubt that we could profitably use some number of A380s today. But with all the complexity of everything else we are doing it is just not a priority for us. We have a huge fleet of Boeing 747-400s today.”

(source: Air Transport Intelligence)


User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14705 times:

Backfire the news is not that BA knows the A380, but that it seems to be moving behind the scenes to ensure it 'll not be late..

If the A380 production line is filling up faster then thought, they can become motivated to adjust their long term fleet planning..


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14690 times:

Its pretty obvious that if BA dont want to lose F and J class pax to VS on their A 380 flights to DEL, JFK, SFO and LAX which will include all sorts of fancy features in the Upper Class suite...then they must order an aircraft the size of the A 380 and have as a upscale product to match Virgin Atlantic's!!!

User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14644 times:

Longer it takes B to decide whether there will be a 747ADV, and if there is, if it will incorporate minor or major changes, the more airlines will look at, and sign up for the A38.

Expect a few existing A38 customers to add more options (a little bit of strategic position taking), and another 2-3 major airlines (European and Asian) to order in the next 90 days.


User currently offlineDreamcraft From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Nov 2003, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14594 times:

Wishfull thinking! Once Boeing launches the 747 Advanced, that would be it for this discussion.

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14571 times:

Dreamcraft, care to enlighten us as to how you come to such an absolute conclusion?


Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14532 times:

Have to agree with Concordeboy (  Wow!), this puts Boeing under pressure to commit (very) soon to the 747adv as an anternative in future.

Major long haul carriers (JAL, BA, ANA, NW) will otherwise have no option then to secure timely slots on the A380 line..


User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13654 times:

Yes but the 747 Adv will still not be able to compete with the A380, it will just sit nicely between the 777 and the A380 where it does today. BA have so many 747-400, why would they now buy some 747 Adv when they can buy the A380 which is bigger, newer and their competition will be flying it?

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13600 times:

BA have so many 747-400, why would they now buy some 747 Adv when they can buy the A380 which is bigger, newer and their competition will be flying it?

Because BA don't need an aircraft that big?


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13532 times:

BA may not need the A380 but how nice does it look in the BA Livery!!! I like it, hope BA do get some, looks lovely in those colors!

Glenn



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User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13443 times:

Because BA don't need an aircraft that big?

If there is an airline that can use the A380 it is BA, they fly 7 B744s a day to JFK alone.



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13388 times:

Wishfull thinking! Once Boeing launches the 747 Advanced, that would be it for this discussion.

I would say the B747 ADV is wishful thinking...it's nothing more than a paper plane, 100 times announced and 100 times cancelled again.

British Airways has no other choice than ordering the A380. In some years, Heathrow will be full of main competitors' A380s. Important routes to Abu Dhabi (EY), Bangkok (QF/TG), Doha (QR), Dubai (EK), Hong Kong (VS?), Los Angeles (VS), Melbourne (QF), New York (VS?), Singapore (QF/SQ), Sydney (QF) and Tokyo (VS?) will see A380s fully equipped with latest cabin features. Plus several other airlines taking away BA business via their hubs (KE, MH).
Airlines like SQ and VS will make a major marketing event out of the A380, and BA will have to react.


B773ER and A380 seem like a perfect replacement for the B747-400. I doubt there's a big market to fill the gap between the two.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13351 times:

Because BA don't need an aircraft that big?

Well they say they will..

BA is The big fish out there for Airbus at this moment:

Large 747 fleet that won't fly forever, slot restrictions in a market that will threefold in the next 20 years.

Nearly all it's competitors (AF, LH, SIA, VS, EK) will be flying it in a few years and might be able to offer lower prices & better products..

IMO it is slowly becoming clear for BA they can't wait on the sideline for too long, it will weaken their position towards Airbus, which seems to become confident.

Now the game of price & conditions is starting between AB & BA, the stakes are high. Expect BA to make denying / downplaying / semi relaxed announcements & leak photos of dinner parties in Chicago..

Similar processes around CX..


User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13280 times:

B773ER and A380 seem like a perfect replacement for the B747-400.

Try A346 and A380.



Flanders + Wallonnia + Brussels = the UNITED STATES of BELGIUM
User currently offlineLhstr From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13261 times:

I am surprised that BA hasnt ordered some A380s yet.

LHR is one of the busiest airports in the world with BA running a lot of destinations with multiple B744s per day. In the next few years I know that BA and BAA open a new BA-only terminal in LHR, but I am not sure if the runway situation will change.

Without an additional runway, which I dont know if it is in the plans, and adding some growth, BA can easily use some A380s.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13217 times:

777236ER: BA don't need the A380 cos it's too big? Whaaaaaa? Jo'burg, NYC, LA, Tokyo, Sydney, Miami, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Singapore, Delhi, Bangkok etc etc - every 747 flight packed, every day (and a total 747 fleet of nearly 60 machines). I can't think of an airline that will need the A380 more than British Airways - who carry more international passengers than any other airline. The mockup at the top of the thread will definitely become a reality.


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User currently offlineReady4Pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13132 times:

...I hope so.

I didn't realise that T5 was going to be a BA-only terminal. I thought that T5 was being built to handle the A380s, in which case what will the other airlines that have already ordered it do? Can the other terminals handle the A380?


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

Try A346 and A380.

No chance for any A340 with BA. They are very satisfied with their B777s, and B773ERs are the only logic choice.
Introducing another type would not be wise anyways. And GE is not a problem for BA. A majority of their B777s is GE-powered.

I expect a B773ER order later this year, with A380 following next year or first half of 2007.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13114 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13063 times:

BA would be an ideal customer of the A380, especially as designed for airlines like BA that serve in/out of slot restricted airports (like LHR and NRT), offer long haul intercontinental services (like to Australia, Asia, North America) and have enough customer base to use it. I would suggest they will order later this year a few (maybe 4-6) just to be sure have it for their needs. BA may still consider some B747ADV if the program is ever started soon as they may be better for those long haul routes where 777's are just a little too small and ETOPS or access to emergency airports issues arise.

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12977 times:

they fly 7 B744s a day to JFK alone.

Yes, and if/when they order the A380, JFK will see maybe on 380 flight. BA prefer frequency to capacity on that route. Also, if you look most JFK flights are not filled in economy. There's too much capcity outside of people travel times, yet J and F are almost always 3/4 full or more. That's where JFK makes it's money, and business people prefer frequency. And that's why BA will always be the top airline on the New York routes. x7 to LHR, x1 to MAN, and x3 to LHR from EWR.

Where BA could use the A380 would be HKG, LOS, JNB, NRT, SIN, SYD, and BKK.

LH423



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User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12851 times:

A346s along with the A380 make sense I think. If BA acts like a good Brit they buy the plane with the most Brittish components (wings and engines) and is as good as the B773ER. There is commonality with A320 and A380, of course commonality between 772 and 773 is greater.

Sjoerd




Flanders + Wallonnia + Brussels = the UNITED STATES of BELGIUM
25 N328KF : Sjoerd: Saying that the A340-600 is as good as the 777-300ER is not only rampant speculation, but contrary to what we know about which one is preferre
26 GoAibusGo : A340-600 and B777-300ER ARE the same
27 Udo : If BA acts like a good Brit they buy the plane with the most Brittish components (wings and engines) and is as good as the B773ER. Airlines should kee
28 Post contains links Jacobin777 : really? is that why most are going for the 777's? Production 69 A340-500s/600s ordered by early 2003, of which 11 delivered. These include 17 A340-500
29 Leskova : Please - let's at least compare current data of comparable models... A340-600: 104 orders per 31 December 2004 (source: airbus.com) B777-300ER: 99 ord
30 Gigneil : Saying that the A340-600 is as good as the 777-300ER is not only rampant speculation, but contrary to what we know about which one is preferred as a m
31 Leelaw : "BA don't need the A380 cos it's too big? Whaaaaaa? Jo'burg, NYC, LA, Tokyo, Sydney, Miami, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Singapore, Delhi, Bangkok etc etc
32 GoAibusGo : Same class people. ..........and yes a 320 is not the same as a 767, but a 320 is the same as a 737. So is the the 777 and the A333/340. Thank you. An
33 Udo : I keep seeing statements like this in these threads. If this were really the case, wouldn't BA already have both the necessity and ample funds to incr
34 PlaneSmart : A38 order for BA is likely if they can agree on terms. Problem for BA is the launch price is no longer available, 747ADV hasn't materialised, EK & VS
35 Leelaw : "...they might want to wait until the aircraft enters service." Why wait and see if there is an actual or perceived necessity? They didn't wait and se
36 Ken777 : I think BA is rather good at fleet management, especially in terms of matching aircraft capacity to seat demand. A few 380's would probably be good fo
37 Udo : Why wait and see if there is an actual or perceived necessity? They didn't wait and see with Concorde, 747, 757, 777? True, though Concorde was also a
38 Udo : n terms of limited slots, I believe that the smaller, commuter props will be the area where adjustments are going to be made. A prop (or RJ) with 50 p
39 Post contains links Airtran737 : http://www.reuters.com/locales/c_newsArticle.jsp?type=businessNews&localeKey=en_IN&storyID=7394654 Here's an article that states that they dont want i
40 Airbazar : I think there's a group of airlines like BA, JL, ANA who paid a little too much attention to Boeing and are finding themselfs in an increasing jam. Fo
41 Anxebla : There was rumors here, in Spain, about a BA's order together with IB. If, at the end, there is an IB/BA merger, it makes a lot of sense.
42 Leelaw : "Airlines flying the A380 will be able to provide significantly better product to their premium passengers and with every one else flying the A380 on
43 MIASkies : Hmm Maybe not anytime soon... according to REUTERS: advertisement British Airways says not shopping for A380 Fri Jan 21, 2005 08:43 AM ET LONDON, Jan
44 PlaneSmart : Udo & Airbazar. You are right on the money. Negotiations are in play now. And BA are trying to play down their interest, because they are not the only
45 GKirk : I think that BA wont buy the A380, but will order the 7E7. They are not a crazy airline like EK etc, but will prefer to operate long haul routes at a
46 Post contains images Udo : Why can't "slot rich" BA compete effectively and profitably appealing to a different niche market by offering higher frequencies (more choice and flex
47 FCKC : ANXEBLA The rumour you mention makes great sense. I really think that both BA and IB will order A380s , maybe sooner than expected , probably before 2
48 Leelaw : ". Bilateral agreements. In many markets, frequencies simply cannot be increased to as much as airlines need and want (e.g India, Nigeria)." India and
49 Udo : India and Nigeria is where the money is? Money or not, at least these countries are very popular with Business travelers. Especially flights to Africa
50 Ohlhd : What about IB??? No one has ever thought about them. They are def Nbr. 1 to Latin+South America and can easily fill several A380.
51 Virginlover1 : It will good for BA too buy the A380 because it will carry twice as many pax as The B744 and it will also mean instead of two aircraft doing the same
52 Spaceman : Those who thinks frequency can grow forever are not in touch with reality. Frequency has it's limit, and as a mature aviation market in most developed
53 Bmi330 : BA aren't getting the 380 they will get 7e87s and put more direct stuff through GLA MAN an f BHX thus reducing transit pax through LHR in a reverse of
54 Post contains images DfwRevolution : It will good for BA too buy the A380 because it will carry twice as many pax as The B744 and it will also mean instead of two aircraft doing the same
55 DC10Tim : The A380 for BA would be very logical. Heathrow is a VERY restricted airport. Anyone who has been will know what it's like to see 6 747s stacked on ap
56 Goflyadam : BA BUY THE A380 IT IS THE FUTURE
57 Bmi330 : For BA the 7e7 and a380 are competitor if I want to go out side the UK flying BA 9 out of 10 IM going via LHR but if BA ever change the LHR airways et
58 DC10Tim : The next 30 years is going to see a massive increase in air travel across the board. This is not gonna be at the expense of either point to point or v
59 Angelairways : India and Nigeria is where the money is? leelaw, believe it or not, Lagos Nigeria is one of the highest yield routes in the world for all airlines (bu
60 Mariner : Bmi330: But this is the flaw in the Boeing position. It may - stress "may" - work here in the States. It is less likely to work in, say, the UK, and i
61 Richard28 : You got it right there mariner. if BA was to go to the regions then they would be putting themsleves up against charters/foreign airlines/possible LCC
62 OldAeroGuy : Mariner, But what about the people in Manchester who want to go to New York or somewhere else? How many millions of people live in the Manchester area
63 BAxMAN : Nobody would appreciate more variety in routes from MAN than me! But, alas, whilst there are millions of people in the North West who want to go to th
64 Donder10 : Won't they find it more convenient to travel directly from Manchester to New York rather than going down to LHR? Maybe so but if there isn't sufficie
65 BAxMAN : If there was any money to be made on point-to-point flying from MAN, then VS would not fly to a bucket and spade, low yield place like MCO and likewis
66 Mariner : I think I said that there will always be traffic from the British provincial cities to, say, New York. I said NYC/EDI, but it could as easily be NYC/M
67 RayChuang : I think if BA (British Airways) orders the A380-800 they will first want to monitor how well the plane does in SQ and EK service before ordering the p
68 Scotron11 : I don't think BA will order the A380. If you remember when the 747 first entered service they had all sort of lounges in the upper deck which evolved
69 Post contains images Udo : BA aren't getting the 380 they will get 7e87s and put more direct stuff through GLA MAN an f BHX thus reducing transit pax through LHR in a reverse of
70 PlaneSmart : B have seriously upset customers who were waiting for their response to the A38. Friendships will be tested, because B promised a new 747, and it is l
71 Post contains links and images Vfw614 : There are two simple reasons why BA will eventually order the Airbus A380 - as I stated in this grossly overlooked thread http://www.airliners.net/dis
72 Beeweel15 : I think they will get the A380 cause if you notice BA is not the leading carrier in inovation any more. And in order to keep up with their Asian nad M
73 Keesje : Perhaps some people at Boeing think that if the A380 is sold out for the next 5-6 years, airlines will be more motivated to support & pay for 747adv d
74 The Coachman : If they do think that Keesje, then they're silly. What do you mean by the A380 is sold out? Do you mean delivery slots? Well, it'll take at least 3-4
75 GKirk : BA have overlooked the UK regional Market and now CO, EK etc andn the the likes are gonna take the market of their hands wuithout any competition
76 JoFMO : @GKirk: I fully agree and see that as the main problem for BA. They only serve MAN, NCL, EDI, GLA, ABZ from LHR. AF and LH have a much broader feeder
77 By188b : @JoFMO, please remember that BA's home base at LHR is slot-restricted, im sure it would love to have services to every major british city from LHR. It
78 JoFMO : By188b: That's exactly their problem. LH had the same proplem to a certain degree in FRA, therefore they built up MUC as their 2nd hub. I wonder why B
79 PVG : Planesmart: Why do you think that 747ADV is not going to happen? Everything that I read makes me believe that they will go ahead with this project. OK
80 ConcordeBoy : Their B747-400 fleet still numbers 57 – more than any other airline. So much for shifting to smaller aircraft. Be that as it may, the other poster w
81 A350 : I wonder why everybody here is speaking about the A380-800 - it would well make sense for BA to order the A380-900 in a few years since they have many
82 BAxMAN : A brief statement by Neil Cottrell (Fleet Planning Manager at BA) on the BA intranet went as follows: In BA configurations a 747 has 291-351 seats and
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