KEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14848 times:
Not really a surprise..
British Airways yesterday gave its strongest signal to date that it expected eventually to add the Airbus A380 superjumbo to its long-haul fleet.
Rod Eddington, BA chief executive, said the "A380 may well have a role in our long-term fleet development programme."
Mr Eddington is confident that BA would still be able to secure attractive purchase terms, even if it is not among the initial group of launch customers for the A380.
"I've never subscribed to the concept of 'buy now while stocks last'," said Mr Eddington. Airbus needed to sell about 250 aircraft to break even on the A380 project and it was still about 100 short of that target, he said.
GLADAVE From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14310 times:
I read in the Daily Mail (UK tabloid) that BA were looking at the A380, but if I remember correctly, would wait until other airlines have used the aircraft in order to have 'small issues' sorted and until it has been used and tested by other airlines.
KEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14228 times:
Interesting detail is Eddington is confident that BA will still be able to secure attractive purchase terms ; "I've never subscribed to the concept of 'buy now while stocks last'," said Mr Eddington. Airbus needed to sell about 250 aircraft to break even on the A380 project and it was still about 100 short of that target, he said.
In a different interview (the same day) Forgeard says : "With 149 orders from 14 airlines, including the most recent order from UPS, plus options, we are not far from the 250 which we expected to reach by 2008," http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1106247220.html
Seems BA is getting active & the two gentle man had a "chat"..
British Airways (BA) CEO Rod Eddington has reiterated his belief that Airbus’ ultra-large A380 probably has a role to play in the carrier’s fleet but makes clear that a formal commitment is not on the airline’s current agenda.
Eddington, who has previously indicated that he is markedly more positive about the 550-seat aircraft than BA has publicly been in the past, notes that Qantas’ A380 order will effectively make the UK carrier an operator of the type through their joint venture on the Sydney-London ‘Kangaroo Route’.
Speaking to Reed Aerospace editors at BA’s London headquarters, Eddington said: “There is no doubt that we could profitably use some number of A380s today. But with all the complexity of everything else we are doing it is just not a priority for us. We have a huge fleet of Boeing 747-400s today.”
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4653 posts, RR: 42 Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14064 times:
Its pretty obvious that if BA dont want to lose F and J class pax to VS on their A 380 flights to DEL, JFK, SFO and LAX which will include all sorts of fancy features in the Upper Class suite...then they must order an aircraft the size of the A 380 and have as a upscale product to match Virgin Atlantic's!!!
Rwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13028 times:
Yes but the 747 Adv will still not be able to compete with the A380, it will just sit nicely between the 777 and the A380 where it does today. BA have so many 747-400, why would they now buy some 747 Adv when they can buy the A380 which is bigger, newer and their competition will be flying it?
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12762 times:
Wishfull thinking! Once Boeing launches the 747 Advanced, that would be it for this discussion.
I would say the B747 ADV is wishful thinking...it's nothing more than a paper plane, 100 times announced and 100 times cancelled again.
British Airways has no other choice than ordering the A380. In some years, Heathrow will be full of main competitors' A380s. Important routes to Abu Dhabi (EY), Bangkok (QF/TG), Doha (QR), Dubai (EK), Hong Kong (VS?), Los Angeles (VS), Melbourne (QF), New York (VS?), Singapore (QF/SQ), Sydney (QF) and Tokyo (VS?) will see A380s fully equipped with latest cabin features. Plus several other airlines taking away BA business via their hubs (KE, MH).
Airlines like SQ and VS will make a major marketing event out of the A380, and BA will have to react.
B773ER and A380 seem like a perfect replacement for the B747-400. I doubt there's a big market to fill the gap between the two.
Lhstr From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 226 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12635 times:
I am surprised that BA hasnt ordered some A380s yet.
LHR is one of the busiest airports in the world with BA running a lot of destinations with multiple B744s per day. In the next few years I know that BA and BAA open a new BA-only terminal in LHR, but I am not sure if the runway situation will change.
Without an additional runway, which I dont know if it is in the plans, and adding some growth, BA can easily use some A380s.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7803 posts, RR: 54 Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12591 times:
777236ER: BA don't need the A380 cos it's too big? Whaaaaaa? Jo'burg, NYC, LA, Tokyo, Sydney, Miami, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Singapore, Delhi, Bangkok etc etc - every 747 flight packed, every day (and a total 747 fleet of nearly 60 machines). I can't think of an airline that will need the A380 more than British Airways - who carry more international passengers than any other airline. The mockup at the top of the thread will definitely become a reality.
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Ready4Pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12506 times:
...I hope so.
I didn't realise that T5 was going to be a BA-only terminal. I thought that T5 was being built to handle the A380s, in which case what will the other airlines that have already ordered it do? Can the other terminals handle the A380?
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12512 times:
Try A346 and A380.
No chance for any A340 with BA. They are very satisfied with their B777s, and B773ERs are the only logic choice.
Introducing another type would not be wise anyways. And GE is not a problem for BA. A majority of their B777s is GE-powered.
I expect a B773ER order later this year, with A380 following next year or first half of 2007.
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12670 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12437 times:
BA would be an ideal customer of the A380, especially as designed for airlines like BA that serve in/out of slot restricted airports (like LHR and NRT), offer long haul intercontinental services (like to Australia, Asia, North America) and have enough customer base to use it. I would suggest they will order later this year a few (maybe 4-6) just to be sure have it for their needs. BA may still consider some B747ADV if the program is ever started soon as they may be better for those long haul routes where 777's are just a little too small and ETOPS or access to emergency airports issues arise.
LH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 55 Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12351 times:
they fly 7 B744s a day to JFK alone.
Yes, and if/when they order the A380, JFK will see maybe on 380 flight. BA prefer frequency to capacity on that route. Also, if you look most JFK flights are not filled in economy. There's too much capcity outside of people travel times, yet J and F are almost always 3/4 full or more. That's where JFK makes it's money, and business people prefer frequency. And that's why BA will always be the top airline on the New York routes. x7 to LHR, x1 to MAN, and x3 to LHR from EWR.
Where BA could use the A380 would be HKG, LOS, JNB, NRT, SIN, SYD, and BKK.
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Sjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12225 times:
A346s along with the A380 make sense I think. If BA acts like a good Brit they buy the plane with the most Brittish components (wings and engines) and is as good as the B773ER. There is commonality with A320 and A380, of course commonality between 772 and 773 is greater.
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25 N328KF: Sjoerd: Saying that the A340-600 is as good as the 777-300ER is not only rampant speculation, but contrary to what we know about which one is preferre
26 GoAibusGo: A340-600 and B777-300ER ARE the same
27 Udo: If BA acts like a good Brit they buy the plane with the most Brittish components (wings and engines) and is as good as the B773ER. Airlines should kee
28 Jacobin777: really? is that why most are going for the 777's? Production 69 A340-500s/600s ordered by early 2003, of which 11 delivered. These include 17 A340-500
29 Leskova: Please - let's at least compare current data of comparable models... A340-600: 104 orders per 31 December 2004 (source: airbus.com) B777-300ER: 99 ord
30 Gigneil: Saying that the A340-600 is as good as the 777-300ER is not only rampant speculation, but contrary to what we know about which one is preferred as a m
31 Leelaw: "BA don't need the A380 cos it's too big? Whaaaaaa? Jo'burg, NYC, LA, Tokyo, Sydney, Miami, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Singapore, Delhi, Bangkok etc etc
32 GoAibusGo: Same class people. ..........and yes a 320 is not the same as a 767, but a 320 is the same as a 737. So is the the 777 and the A333/340. Thank you. An
33 Udo: I keep seeing statements like this in these threads. If this were really the case, wouldn't BA already have both the necessity and ample funds to incr
34 PlaneSmart: A38 order for BA is likely if they can agree on terms. Problem for BA is the launch price is no longer available, 747ADV hasn't materialised, EK & VS
35 Leelaw: "...they might want to wait until the aircraft enters service." Why wait and see if there is an actual or perceived necessity? They didn't wait and se
36 Ken777: I think BA is rather good at fleet management, especially in terms of matching aircraft capacity to seat demand. A few 380's would probably be good fo
37 Udo: Why wait and see if there is an actual or perceived necessity? They didn't wait and see with Concorde, 747, 757, 777? True, though Concorde was also a
38 Udo: n terms of limited slots, I believe that the smaller, commuter props will be the area where adjustments are going to be made. A prop (or RJ) with 50 p
39 Airtran737: http://www.reuters.com/locales/c_newsArticle.jsp?type=businessNews&localeKey=en_IN&storyID=7394654 Here's an article that states that they dont want i
40 Airbazar: I think there's a group of airlines like BA, JL, ANA who paid a little too much attention to Boeing and are finding themselfs in an increasing jam. Fo
41 Anxebla: There was rumors here, in Spain, about a BA's order together with IB. If, at the end, there is an IB/BA merger, it makes a lot of sense.
42 Leelaw: "Airlines flying the A380 will be able to provide significantly better product to their premium passengers and with every one else flying the A380 on
43 MIASkies: Hmm Maybe not anytime soon... according to REUTERS: advertisement British Airways says not shopping for A380 Fri Jan 21, 2005 08:43 AM ET LONDON, Jan
44 PlaneSmart: Udo & Airbazar. You are right on the money. Negotiations are in play now. And BA are trying to play down their interest, because they are not the only
45 GKirk: I think that BA wont buy the A380, but will order the 7E7. They are not a crazy airline like EK etc, but will prefer to operate long haul routes at a
46 Udo: Why can't "slot rich" BA compete effectively and profitably appealing to a different niche market by offering higher frequencies (more choice and flex
47 FCKC: ANXEBLA The rumour you mention makes great sense. I really think that both BA and IB will order A380s , maybe sooner than expected , probably before 2
48 Leelaw: ". Bilateral agreements. In many markets, frequencies simply cannot be increased to as much as airlines need and want (e.g India, Nigeria)." India and
49 Udo: India and Nigeria is where the money is? Money or not, at least these countries are very popular with Business travelers. Especially flights to Africa
50 Ohlhd: What about IB??? No one has ever thought about them. They are def Nbr. 1 to Latin+South America and can easily fill several A380.
51 Virginlover1: It will good for BA too buy the A380 because it will carry twice as many pax as The B744 and it will also mean instead of two aircraft doing the same
52 Spaceman: Those who thinks frequency can grow forever are not in touch with reality. Frequency has it's limit, and as a mature aviation market in most developed
53 Bmi330: BA aren't getting the 380 they will get 7e87s and put more direct stuff through GLA MAN an f BHX thus reducing transit pax through LHR in a reverse of
54 DfwRevolution: It will good for BA too buy the A380 because it will carry twice as many pax as The B744 and it will also mean instead of two aircraft doing the same
55 DC10Tim: The A380 for BA would be very logical. Heathrow is a VERY restricted airport. Anyone who has been will know what it's like to see 6 747s stacked on ap