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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Posted in the SFO Domicile today--UA is to return to India, thanks to additional economic growth!

Going to get more details...

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Maybe this time they could finally get around to ORD-DEL nonstop... that'd be shweet in sooo many different ways  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineOrd747cle From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

I think this topic comes up every 4-5 weeks. Been waiting a few years for the UA press release.

Ord747Cle


User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5328 times:

There's a heavy demand on flying USA - India.
I believe all the outsourcing to India has it share in that!


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2885 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

I think that they will probably do SFO/LAX--NRT--HKG--BOM/DEL

BOM would def be a better decision as it has no non-stop service to HKG

Otherwise this routing could be picked up by Skyteams--NW/DL


User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

doesnt CX fly BOM - HKG ?
-Nikhil



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

doesnt CX fly BOM - HKG ?

Both CX and AI serve BOM-HKG direct, but neither serves it nonstop.


User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Why is there no nonstop flights between a super business center (BOM) and a super super business center (HKG)?

And doesnt Cathay at least see the huge market between western USA and India? The strategic location of HKG is like that of EK at DXB in that they have the capability of serving the secondary Indian destinations like Hyderabad and Bangalore and Chennai.

Is it not wise for CX fo have flights to at least Hyderabad and Bangalore from HKG, as these would attract the Computer Commuters from silicon valley?



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

UA used to serve DEL on the old UA-1/2 RTW flights. The sector was LAX-HKG-DEL-HKG-LAX. That would be very cool, especially if it was more LAX long haul service, as CX currently owns the LAX-HKG market with their w 744s a day. Considering that ORD-HKG and SFO-HKG(and on to SGN) already exist, LAX would be the perfect pacific gateway to get the service. Also, I wonder if they would use BOM this time or if it would be DEL again. They could offer the opposite way from AI (who are doing LAX-FRA-BOM and LAX-FRA-DEL)


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Hmmm...they must have made a deal with the pilots, then. When UA first operated the route as part of the RTW, the pilots demanded that fresh water and food be flown in for them, as many pilots were becoming ill from what they were getting in Delhi.

ORD-HKG makes the most sense, and hopefully UA will do well on the route, given the demand.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4613 times:

the pilots demanded that fresh water and food be flown in for them, as many pilots were becoming ill from what they were getting in Delhi.

Are you serious.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3335 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4601 times:
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hope we finally see ORD-DEL or something like that!


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User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

If UA decides to fly ORD-DEL then I'd love to see them compliment that service with SFO-Bangalore. With Silicon Valley (or what is left of it) nearby and Bangalore's huge tech center I'd think that there would be pretty good demand. Goa isn't too far away either for vacationers!!!



User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

My ex girlfriend works for the UN and getting to BAN was a 30 flight that took her through AUS-ORD-LHR-CDG-BOM-BAN. I'm sure the next time she comes home or goes back, she'd love to fly AUS-SFO-BAN only on UA.

Regards,
AA777jr


User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

I was just on the "great circle mapper" web site and SFO-BLR is 8718 miles so UA would have to order the 772-LR in order to make the trip.

I don't see that happening for a while!!!!


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Irishpower,

That is crazy, I don't see UA doing that either. If they decided to fly SFO-BLR, where would they stop?

regards,
AA777jr


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

West coast to India nonstop is a little bit beyond what any US airlines are capable of. Connecting in SFO to get to a city like BLR or anywhere in India isn't really convenient option. The west coast is almost exactly 180 degrees around the world from India. The east coast is closer. People in the west coast have the option of going either through Europe or Asia. As of now they both have their positives and negatives. For the most part Europe is easier since there are better connections available.

A nonstop from ORD, NYC or another big US city in the eastern half of the country, is the most likely nonstop to happen by any US carrier as a 744 or maybe a 772ER could do it (though twins over the Himalayas become an issue). ORD has connection opportunities to basically every city in the United States. However I am surprised it would be ORD-DEL since AC already does YYZ-DEL and has a share of transitting US passengers, but that doesn't mean it is impossible. It is good to see all these rumors keep coming up. More buzz in the country will hopefully lead to a nonstop flight to India, which is something that there is definitely a market for.



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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Are you serious.
regds
MEL


My Dad was serious when he told me that a few years ago. He was a mechanic for UA at the time the flew into DEL, and what he learned internally was that the pilots were having problems with the food and water, and demanded that UA provide it for them, or they wouldn't fly the route. Possibly one of the reasons why UA dropped their RTW segment?


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

>If they decided to fly SFO-BLR, where would they stop?<

Well, lets see. Where does UA have a name and some O&D? Could it be NRT or HKG? Given the slot problems at NRT, HKG would seem to be it.



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User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Very cool. Not sure if they will actually do it or not, but very cool. So they would probobly be flying a 747 into there, right?

User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Guys, I was just say that I would LIKE to see SFO-BLR--I didn't say it would happen. I have always figured that a SFO-India service would do well because

A. There is a large Indian population here in the bay area
B. The Silicon Valley-Bangalore connection
C. There isn't any competition on the route

Now I'd prefer to see a non-stop but that isn't possible with UA's fleet right now but if they flew via HKG,TPE or NRT initially I think it would work!!!



User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

I think if UA could pull this off, it would be a good money maker..as they would be the only air carriers flying nonstop to the Indian subcontinent from the US of A.....that being said, I wish AA would do something about it, but maybe they are going to be ETOPS restricted.....?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

In theory AA could do JFK-BOM with their 656K 772ERs (JFK/ORD-DEL is at this point out of the question), but would be tough to demand the yield required to sustain such a nonstop when AI will offer it so much cheaper, with a short stop being the only 'price' paid.

User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

My Dad was serious when he told me that a few years ago. He was a mechanic for UA at the time the flew into DEL, and what he learned internally was that the pilots were having problems with the food and water, and demanded that UA provide it for them, or they wouldn't fly the route.

I've worked LHR-DEL at least a dozen times last time we operated it and never once was food or drink an issue. DEL isn't the only place where we shouldn't drink the tap water. As flight attendants and pilots we're used to not drinking the water in foreign destinations. The resort that we layed over at in DEL always provided us as much Evian as we wanted and the food was fantastic!

The decision to close a route has to do with safety, security, and of course revenue.

FA4UA



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User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

I will pose my first question to ConcordeBoy since he seems to be fairly knowledgeable......would United be able to fly the route nonstop from either O'Hare or Dulles using a 744 (since a 777 is out of the question due to restrictions on twins flying over the Himalayas).

Also, if the route is possible nonstop, wouldn't it make more sense to fly the service nonstop out of Dulles, providing one stop connections for O'Hare, San Francisco, etc? Seems that would be a good way to maximize the potential profit for the route. I know the US - India market is HUGE and grossly underserved.


25 JoFMO : Due to the fact that UA already sold tickets for their coming nonstop ORD-DEL with a 744, I suppose it must be flyable nonstop. But how about a nonsto
26 Timz : "(since a 777 is out of the question due to restrictions on twins flying over the Himalayas)." Tell us about this. Where exactly are twins not allowed
27 N1120a : >Tell us about this. Where exactly are twins not allowed?< Over the taller parts of the Himalayas >Who prohibits them? International Aviation Authorit
28 Gigneil : Twins have never been allowed to fly over the Himalayas. You might want to search Tech/Ops for more information, since this isn't really the right for
29 N1120a : >Probably, but not with a great payload
30 Gigneil : The restrictions taken by the 744 non-ER on those routes were minimal, and certainly not enough to make QF give up LAX-MEL (now unrestricted with the
31 N1120a : >LAX-MEL took pretty heavy restrictions, actually.< Not enough to make the route unprofitable. >they were thrilled to be able to have the ER on these
32 HAWK21M : My Dad was serious when he told me that a few years ago. He was a mechanic for UA at the time the flew into DEL, and what he learned internally was th
33 ConcordeBoy : would United be able to fly the route nonstop from either O'Hare or Dulles using a 744 In a word, yes. In fact, they planned ORD-DEL with a 744 a few
34 IndianFlyboy : As Concordeboy said , UA was planning the ORD-DEL route pre 9/11. The route was payload restricted and flew almost over the north pole using Polar 1.
35 Irishpower : Hypothetically speaking....... What about UA flying SFO-TPE-BLR There are huge tech centers in Silicon Valley, Bangalore and Taiwan. All UA would have
36 Mymiles2go : FLY777UAL - Did you have a chance to get any more details since your original post?
37 Skyguy : UA sold seats on it's ORD-DEL flight using B744's which was due to begin in October 2001, with a flight time of 15 hours 25 minutes. 9/11 and its afte
38 Jacobin777 : "UA had a restricted payload flying the LHR-DEL-HKG v/v sector on UA001/002 and the economics just did not make sense so they pulled out while they ba
39 The777Man : Jacobin777: The recstriction was due to governement ie UA was not allowed to carry close to 400 people between the Hong Kong and DEL. Possibly there w
40 Jaysit : How much of a capacity increase can the Indian market bear and yet be profitable for new entrants? AI have doubled their US flights from 2003 (28 week
41 Skyguy : The777Man is right. The bilateral UK/India air treaty and the agreement with TG/BA/AI & AC who flew the LHR-DEL route back in 1995/6 dictated strict p
42 Gigneil : ; Delta will be going daily to Mumbai and Chennai; NW, I suspect, will continue its daily ops to Mumbai. Delta and Northwest will be going twice daily
43 B747-437B : Delta and Northwest will be going twice daily to Mumbai. Both carriers' second daily flight is seasonal winter only service.
44 Post contains images Iowa744fan : I will pose my first question to ConcordeBoy since he seems to be fairly knowledgeable...... Oh man, don't help to swell the ego more! Just kidding Fr
45 Jacobin777 : The777Man and SkyGuy..thanks for the info mates......load of bullocks if you ask me though...if UA have the landing slots, they should have the right
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