ACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5063 times:
Why is there no nonstop flights between a super business center (BOM) and a super super business center (HKG)?
And doesnt Cathay at least see the huge market between western USA and India? The strategic location of HKG is like that of EK at DXB in that they have the capability of serving the secondary Indian destinations like Hyderabad and Bangalore and Chennai.
Is it not wise for CX fo have flights to at least Hyderabad and Bangalore from HKG, as these would attract the Computer Commuters from silicon valley?
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N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 28518 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5041 times:
UA used to serve DEL on the old UA-1/2 RTW flights. The sector was LAX-HKG-DEL-HKG-LAX. That would be very cool, especially if it was more LAX long haul service, as CX currently owns the LAX-HKG market with their w 744s a day. Considering that ORD-HKG and SFO-HKG(and on to SGN) already exist, LAX would be the perfect pacific gateway to get the service. Also, I wonder if they would use BOM this time or if it would be DEL again. They could offer the opposite way from AI (who are doing LAX-FRA-BOM and LAX-FRA-DEL)
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StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4995 times:
Hmmm...they must have made a deal with the pilots, then. When UA first operated the route as part of the RTW, the pilots demanded that fresh water and food be flown in for them, as many pilots were becoming ill from what they were getting in Delhi.
ORD-HKG makes the most sense, and hopefully UA will do well on the route, given the demand.
Irishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4293 times:
If UA decides to fly ORD-DEL then I'd love to see them compliment that service with SFO-Bangalore. With Silicon Valley (or what is left of it) nearby and Bangalore's huge tech center I'd think that there would be pretty good demand. Goa isn't too far away either for vacationers!!!
Aa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4267 times:
My ex girlfriend works for the UN and getting to BAN was a 30 flight that took her through AUS-ORD-LHR-CDG-BOM-BAN. I'm sure the next time she comes home or goes back, she'd love to fly AUS-SFO-BAN only on UA.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10568 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4151 times:
West coast to India nonstop is a little bit beyond what any US airlines are capable of. Connecting in SFO to get to a city like BLR or anywhere in India isn't really convenient option. The west coast is almost exactly 180 degrees around the world from India. The east coast is closer. People in the west coast have the option of going either through Europe or Asia. As of now they both have their positives and negatives. For the most part Europe is easier since there are better connections available.
A nonstop from ORD, NYC or another big US city in the eastern half of the country, is the most likely nonstop to happen by any US carrier as a 744 or maybe a 772ER could do it (though twins over the Himalayas become an issue). ORD has connection opportunities to basically every city in the United States. However I am surprised it would be ORD-DEL since AC already does YYZ-DEL and has a share of transitting US passengers, but that doesn't mean it is impossible. It is good to see all these rumors keep coming up. More buzz in the country will hopefully lead to a nonstop flight to India, which is something that there is definitely a market for.
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StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
Are you serious.
My Dad was serious when he told me that a few years ago. He was a mechanic for UA at the time the flew into DEL, and what he learned internally was that the pilots were having problems with the food and water, and demanded that UA provide it for them, or they wouldn't fly the route. Possibly one of the reasons why UA dropped their RTW segment?
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 15197 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3974 times:
I think if UA could pull this off, it would be a good money maker..as they would be the only air carriers flying nonstop to the Indian subcontinent from the US of A.....that being said, I wish AA would do something about it, but maybe they are going to be ETOPS restricted.....?
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3631 times:
In theory AA could do JFK-BOM with their 656K 772ERs (JFK/ORD-DEL is at this point out of the question), but would be tough to demand the yield required to sustain such a nonstop when AI will offer it so much cheaper, with a short stop being the only 'price' paid.
FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3550 times:
My Dad was serious when he told me that a few years ago. He was a mechanic for UA at the time the flew into DEL, and what he learned internally was that the pilots were having problems with the food and water, and demanded that UA provide it for them, or they wouldn't fly the route.
I've worked LHR-DEL at least a dozen times last time we operated it and never once was food or drink an issue. DEL isn't the only place where we shouldn't drink the tap water. As flight attendants and pilots we're used to not drinking the water in foreign destinations. The resort that we layed over at in DEL always provided us as much Evian as we wanted and the food was fantastic!
The decision to close a route has to do with safety, security, and of course revenue.
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Cjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3453 times:
I will pose my first question to ConcordeBoy since he seems to be fairly knowledgeable......would United be able to fly the route nonstop from either O'Hare or Dulles using a 744 (since a 777 is out of the question due to restrictions on twins flying over the Himalayas).
Also, if the route is possible nonstop, wouldn't it make more sense to fly the service nonstop out of Dulles, providing one stop connections for O'Hare, San Francisco, etc? Seems that would be a good way to maximize the potential profit for the route. I know the US - India market is HUGE and grossly underserved.
: Due to the fact that UA already sold tickets for their coming nonstop ORD-DEL with a 744, I suppose it must be flyable nonstop. But how about a nonsto
: "(since a 777 is out of the question due to restrictions on twins flying over the Himalayas)." Tell us about this. Where exactly are twins not allowed
: >Tell us about this. Where exactly are twins not allowed?< Over the taller parts of the Himalayas >Who prohibits them? International Aviation Authorit
: Twins have never been allowed to fly over the Himalayas. You might want to search Tech/Ops for more information, since this isn't really the right for
: >Probably, but not with a great payload
: The restrictions taken by the 744 non-ER on those routes were minimal, and certainly not enough to make QF give up LAX-MEL (now unrestricted with the
: >LAX-MEL took pretty heavy restrictions, actually.< Not enough to make the route unprofitable. >they were thrilled to be able to have the ER on these
: My Dad was serious when he told me that a few years ago. He was a mechanic for UA at the time the flew into DEL, and what he learned internally was th
: would United be able to fly the route nonstop from either O'Hare or Dulles using a 744 In a word, yes. In fact, they planned ORD-DEL with a 744 a few
: As Concordeboy said , UA was planning the ORD-DEL route pre 9/11. The route was payload restricted and flew almost over the north pole using Polar 1.
: Hypothetically speaking....... What about UA flying SFO-TPE-BLR There are huge tech centers in Silicon Valley, Bangalore and Taiwan. All UA would have
: FLY777UAL - Did you have a chance to get any more details since your original post?
: UA sold seats on it's ORD-DEL flight using B744's which was due to begin in October 2001, with a flight time of 15 hours 25 minutes. 9/11 and its afte
: "UA had a restricted payload flying the LHR-DEL-HKG v/v sector on UA001/002 and the economics just did not make sense so they pulled out while they ba
: Jacobin777: The recstriction was due to governement ie UA was not allowed to carry close to 400 people between the Hong Kong and DEL. Possibly there w
: How much of a capacity increase can the Indian market bear and yet be profitable for new entrants? AI have doubled their US flights from 2003 (28 week
: The777Man is right. The bilateral UK/India air treaty and the agreement with TG/BA/AI & AC who flew the LHR-DEL route back in 1995/6 dictated strict p
: ; Delta will be going daily to Mumbai and Chennai; NW, I suspect, will continue its daily ops to Mumbai. Delta and Northwest will be going twice daily
: Delta and Northwest will be going twice daily to Mumbai. Both carriers' second daily flight is seasonal winter only service.
: I will pose my first question to ConcordeBoy since he seems to be fairly knowledgeable...... Oh man, don't help to swell the ego more! Just kidding Fr
: The777Man and SkyGuy..thanks for the info mates......load of bullocks if you ask me though...if UA have the landing slots, they should have the right