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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

the dutch site luchtvaartnieuws reports in a conversation with the Boss of RTM that CO asked aproval for EWR-RTM with the 757-200 . it would have been the first regular Flight from out of europe. never the less they didn't got the aproval since they meet problems with the noise destriction's. last year Europe's wizz air also got denied after they did an aproval for the airport.

RTM is very popular with business peope, last year the moved 30% more pax than other years. in total 1,5 million people flew on RTM. it will be 1,6 in 2005 although the big boss of RTM said it wouldn't be though to receive 3,3 milion passengers but the Government didn't allowed more flights during noise restrictions




think its very stupid they didn't gave the aprobal for it it. it would have caused a lot of jobs....

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User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Just curious, why is RTM very popular with business people? Are there some large companies nearby, so that RTM is more convenient than AMS?

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

Exactly, Rotterdam has a huge harbour and around there are some oil companies and other related busineses. Plus it's 15 minutes from The Hague, where the government and International Justice Court resides. It's also closer to the southern Netherlands where some other businesses are.


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

I am also curious how this will work out:

www.business-jet.com


PH-BFA


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

The B757 is a quiet airplane. What kind of noise restriction do they have?

User currently offlineLxsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

Which is the most important business city in Netherlands? Amsterdam or Rotterdam?
I think it should be nice to see CO starting RTM.


User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6349 times:

I guess RTM only accepts Gliders for passender flights Big grin


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User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

This would have been great for "my" airport.
I visit RTM pretty frequently and everytime you are there something new has happened. They have lots to thank Transavia for. they have 3 aircraft based there at the moment.

As people have said, RTM is popular amongst business flyers.
KLM and VLM flies to London several times/day and Transavia has 2 flights to London/day.

Rotterdam itself, a part from the great location, nearby Den Haag for example is many times called "the working city" many thanks due to the harbor and all the business running there.
You cant name one of the worlds largest shipping companies that are not represented in Rotterdam.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5438 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

RTM is also the operating headquarters of huge, newly-formed Mittal Steel, which now owns the largest domestic US producer ISG, based in CLE. I've been told that it makes better sense from the US to fly directly to AMS and take a 40-minute limo ride than to fly to RTM via a connecting point like London.

A flight from EWR to RTM could kill CLE's realistic-or-not hopes for a flight to AMS.

[Edited 2005-01-23 18:02:21]


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

I simply don't believe that the 757 and 320 (Wizzair) are too noisy. What is probably the case is that the "noise quota" that has been assigned to RTM by the government would have been exceeded. I heard that the Transavia flights are based there (partially) in order to keep Ryanair out (by filling up the "noise capacity" of RTM).

One would say that a non-stop flight to EWR would serve the economic interestes of the region better than the many package holiday charters that fly there...




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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

It is good to see that the management at CO is still moving in the same direction even after Gordo!!! I can't see them serving RTM with any other type of A/C. This probably would of worked out beautifully for CO. It's releiving to know that the NIMBY's aren't limited to American though. (Not even a 752 w/ winglets, that's tough!!!!!)
SR



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Rotterdam is the biggest port in the world.

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months ago) and read 3876 times:

Rotterdam is the biggest port in the world.


nope, not anymore, last year it lost against 2 other Ports.. 2 in asia but don't know were.



User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

In the rankings from AAPA http://www.aapa-ports.org/industryinfo/statistics.htm the top 3 ports for 2002 (latest available) in terms of tonnage transiting the ports were:

Singapore: 335,156,000 MT
Rotterdam: 321,851,000 MT
Shanghai: 238,606,000 MT

And I've always wondered why RTM didn't have more air traffic. With the port and all the new office buildings that have sprouted up in the past couple of decades, one would think there was a tremendous business demand for air travel.

Dang, now I'm thirsty for an Oranjeboom.  Smile



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User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Noise regulations are very strict in the Netherlands and there's a lot of fuss about it all the time. No way politicians are gonna burn there fingers in trying to boost RTM.

The infrastructure around RTM is not very adequate however, there are some minor roads connecting to the highway Rotterdam-The Hague, but apart from that there's only busses to the city. I wonder if it's faster to reach the city from AMS by train.

Next saturday I'll be flying out of RTM for the first time, to CPH.


User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

PH-BFA makes a good point. Because I am also wondering what happened to the Business jet flight to NYC?

http://www.business-jet.com/book.asp

Rotterdam can do very well with business and leisure passengers heading from/to the NYC area. Also passengers would have a possibility to connect on several Transavia Airlines flights within Europe.


Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

BuyantUkhaa is right. Rotterdam Airport has it's own noice quota and that quota has been nearly reached last year by processing 1,2 million passengers. However, these noice quota's are from the time Russian planes and the famous BAC1-11 flights were there on a daily basis.

Changing the quota's is however a very difficult thing here in The Netherlands. Space is the problem and people don't like planes flying over their backyards. However, they do want to fly the cheapest airline...

Ah well, talks are on going, maybe in 1,5-2 years, there will be a new quota.

Hope this helps!

Cheers!



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User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Is it really only 40 minutes from Amsterdam to Rotterdam? I always thought they were further apart than that.

User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

I flew from Rotterdam to Berlin and back last august, on a Transavia (BasiqAir) 737. I doubt the 752 is appreciably louder.


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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Is it really only 40 minutes from Amsterdam to Rotterdam? I always thought they were further apart than that.

By Train it takes about 50 minutes....By car about 1 hour, depending on the traffic.

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

THey also have a nifty bus service that drops you at the Amsterdam Centraal train station in about an hour.


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User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

The newspaper "Rotterdams Dagblad" has an article about it (can't find it online anymore but it was published on the net a few weeks ago).

CO actually never officially requested slots, probably because they already knew that they wouldn't get the flights. Anyways, an increase in RTM traffic could relief AMS a little.

The market would be there, and historically Seen Rotterdam used to have a lot of passengers to New York in the age ships ruled the Atlantic Ocean.

But as stated, Amsterdam is not that far, so why really launch an extra flight?? It will most likely create empty seats at RTM and that's not very profitable. Those who need to fly to RTM or NYC will be able to by connecting through AMS. So why not send 1 777 instead of 1 767 and 1 757??


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Not to forget that the Netherlands are currently building a new speed railway between Rotterdam and Schiphol as part of the Paris-Amsterdam route. When inaugurete in 2007 Rotterdam to Schiphol will be 15 to 20 minutes by domestic high speed trains with up to 6 trains an hour.

It has to be seen if CO can generate enough traffic from RTM. I think most passengers would prefer the wider choice in AMS over RTM.


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