MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 27 Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6187 times:
the dutch site luchtvaartnieuws reports in a conversation with the Boss of RTM that CO asked aproval for EWR-RTM with the 757-200 . it would have been the first regular Flight from out of europe. never the less they didn't got the aproval since they meet problems with the noise destriction's. last year Europe's wizz air also got denied after they did an aproval for the airport.
RTM is very popular with business peope, last year the moved 30% more pax than other years. in total 1,5 million people flew on RTM. it will be 1,6 in 2005 although the big boss of RTM said it wouldn't be though to receive 3,3 milion passengers but the Government didn't allowed more flights during noise restrictions
think its very stupid they didn't gave the aprobal for it it. it would have caused a lot of jobs....
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4210 posts, RR: 36 Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6025 times:
Exactly, Rotterdam has a huge harbour and around there are some oil companies and other related busineses. Plus it's 15 minutes from The Hague, where the government and International Justice Court resides. It's also closer to the southern Netherlands where some other businesses are.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Zweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5881 times:
This would have been great for "my" airport.
I visit RTM pretty frequently and everytime you are there something new has happened. They have lots to thank Transavia for. they have 3 aircraft based there at the moment.
As people have said, RTM is popular amongst business flyers.
KLM and VLM flies to London several times/day and Transavia has 2 flights to London/day.
Rotterdam itself, a part from the great location, nearby Den Haag for example is many times called "the working city" many thanks due to the harbor and all the business running there.
You cant name one of the worlds largest shipping companies that are not represented in Rotterdam.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4983 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5577 times:
RTM is also the operating headquarters of huge, newly-formed Mittal Steel, which now owns the largest domestic US producer ISG, based in CLE. I've been told that it makes better sense from the US to fly directly to AMS and take a 40-minute limo ride than to fly to RTM via a connecting point like London.
A flight from EWR to RTM could kill CLE's realistic-or-not hopes for a flight to AMS.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2810 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5189 times:
I simply don't believe that the 757 and 320 (Wizzair) are too noisy. What is probably the case is that the "noise quota" that has been assigned to RTM by the government would have been exceeded. I heard that the Transavia flights are based there (partially) in order to keep Ryanair out (by filling up the "noise capacity" of RTM).
One would say that a non-stop flight to EWR would serve the economic interestes of the region better than the many package holiday charters that fly there...
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
It is good to see that the management at CO is still moving in the same direction even after Gordo!!! I can't see them serving RTM with any other type of A/C. This probably would of worked out beautifully for CO. It's releiving to know that the NIMBY's aren't limited to American though. (Not even a 752 w/ winglets, that's tough!!!!!)
And I've always wondered why RTM didn't have more air traffic. With the port and all the new office buildings that have sprouted up in the past couple of decades, one would think there was a tremendous business demand for air travel.
Vunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3141 times:
Noise regulations are very strict in the Netherlands and there's a lot of fuss about it all the time. No way politicians are gonna burn there fingers in trying to boost RTM.
The infrastructure around RTM is not very adequate however, there are some minor roads connecting to the highway Rotterdam-The Hague, but apart from that there's only busses to the city. I wonder if it's faster to reach the city from AMS by train.
Next saturday I'll be flying out of RTM for the first time, to CPH.
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1897 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2799 times:
BuyantUkhaa is right. Rotterdam Airport has it's own noice quota and that quota has been nearly reached last year by processing 1,2 million passengers. However, these noice quota's are from the time Russian planes and the famous BAC1-11 flights were there on a daily basis.
Changing the quota's is however a very difficult thing here in The Netherlands. Space is the problem and people don't like planes flying over their backyards. However, they do want to fly the cheapest airline...
Ah well, talks are on going, maybe in 1,5-2 years, there will be a new quota.
OO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
The newspaper "Rotterdams Dagblad" has an article about it (can't find it online anymore but it was published on the net a few weeks ago).
CO actually never officially requested slots, probably because they already knew that they wouldn't get the flights. Anyways, an increase in RTM traffic could relief AMS a little.
The market would be there, and historically Seen Rotterdam used to have a lot of passengers to New York in the age ships ruled the Atlantic Ocean.
But as stated, Amsterdam is not that far, so why really launch an extra flight?? It will most likely create empty seats at RTM and that's not very profitable. Those who need to fly to RTM or NYC will be able to by connecting through AMS. So why not send 1 777 instead of 1 767 and 1 757??
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2387 times:
Not to forget that the Netherlands are currently building a new speed railway between Rotterdam and Schiphol as part of the Paris-Amsterdam route. When inaugurete in 2007 Rotterdam to Schiphol will be 15 to 20 minutes by domestic high speed trains with up to 6 trains an hour.
It has to be seen if CO can generate enough traffic from RTM. I think most passengers would prefer the wider choice in AMS over RTM.