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America West Awaits 757 Etops: Hawai`i 2006?  
User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

AmWest says aloha to Hawaii
Airline wants to fly to Honolulu

Dawn Gilbertson
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 24, 2005 12:00 AM

America West Flight 684 now departing for Honolulu?

That isn't too far-fetched. Company executives said on a conference call with analysts Friday that they are starting the regulatory paperwork this month to get certification for some of America West's planes to fly over water.

The Extended Range Operations of Airplanes (ETOPS) process with the Federal Aviation Administration will take about a year.

"We expect we'll be up and running (with certification) by the beginning of 2006," President Jeff McClelland said.

America West spokeswoman Janice Monahan said the airline has long had Hawaii in its sights. It was one of the reasons, in fact, that the company considered buying ATA Airlines late last year. The carrier offers service from Phoenix and other cities to the Hawaiian Islands.

Continue article:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0124amwesthawaii24.html


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User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 860 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Would Hawaii be the only routes they'd need the ETOPS for, or is there any chance of them expanding to more routes where ETOPS would be required?

EDIT: I found the answer to my own question just by reading the entire article....


"There are no definitive plans to serve Hawaii, however, especially given the industry's rocky financial state due to high fuel prices. The airline just wants the option to fly there, or the Caribbean, should the opportunity come up."




Also in the article:
"America West served Phoenix-Honolulu before its bankruptcy years ago, but with a money-losing Boeing 747. America West initially would use the smaller Boeing 757 on a new route to Hawaii."

Key word: initially. Could this be a possible allusion that HP might aquire larger aircraft if this is successful? "Initially" makes it sound like the 757 might just be temporary on this route, and they might switch to another aircraft...and seeing how nothing else in their fleet will have ETOPS, they would have some expanding to do. I'm probably just reading a little too far into this article, but I thought this paragraph was interesting.


[Edited 2005-01-24 05:58:15]

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

GREAT- now the Hawaii market will offer EVEN LOWER YIELDS to all the participating airlines.

And HA and AQ will be even worse off.

Hopefully for HP, it won't be as disastrous as when they launched 747s to the land of Mahalo.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

The airline just wants the option to fly there, or the Caribbean, should the opportunity come up."

Just so ya know, there's no major Caribbean location that would require ETOPS from one of HP's hubs.... though they would of course require over-water capability.


User currently offlineTungd From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Dbo,

You probably are reading too much into the article...as a journalist, I can tell you that most reporters wouldn't know a 757 from a CRJ; they're both airplanes that you sit in and fly from city to city. The word "initially" was mostly likely thrown in to make the sentence sound "fuller" and as not to give the impression that the "money-losing Boeing 747" would be flown; after all it is true that the initial flights would be on a 757. The story doesn't say anything about future flights, so you really can't come to any conclusions about anything. Most likely, post-"initial" flights will also use 757s.

This story was written for the average Joe to understand, and it is not intended for aviation buffs who know more than the reporter ever will. As I've always said, you have to take EVERYTHING you read/hear/see in the mass media (including local news outlets) with a HUGE grain of salt!

[Edited 2005-01-24 06:43:30]

User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

A Phoenix-Nassau nonstop route could be done easily with an A319.



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

AQ doesn't fly directly to PHX anymore, just to let y'all know.


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User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Didn't HP operate HNL-japan flights w/ there 742s aswell? Can an ETOPS 75 make it from HNL-NRT, or how about with a stopover in guam? Just curious, because the asian market is expanding or at least it seems that way, with every airline under the sun adding flights that direction.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3596 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2950 times:
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HP already offers flights to Hawaii through their codeshare with HA on HA's PHX-HNL flight. They don't need to fly to Hawaii on their own metal. Most of the pax on the HA flight already are pax from HP.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Can any of our esteemed Armchair CEOs see what kind of market PHX-BOG, LIM or Kingston might have? or even PHX-SJU, SXM?


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

The ETOPS also helps HP run the CUN and SJO flights without having to follow the coastline. Saves about 1 hour on CUN trips.

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2629 times:


HP already offers flights to Hawaii through their codeshare with HA on HA's PHX-HNL flight.


I agree. However, I think HP needs to expand the codeshare to cover the flights out of their hub in LAS.


Can any of our esteemed Armchair CEOs see what kind of market PHX-BOG, LIM or Kingston might have? or even PHX-SJU, SXM?


One would think the same thing about PHX-SJO, yet those flights are doing
well. Obviously there isn't much O&D traffic out of PHX. The vast majority of
it is connecting traffic from elsewhere in HP's network.


The ETOPS also helps HP run the CUN and SJO flights without having to follow the coastline.


Exactly. However, wouldn't they still only need overwater certification?



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

I'm sure HP would run the ETOPS 757s on a daily run from LAS and HNL with or without the HA codeshare--it may benefit both airlines.


Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Didn't HP operate HNL-japan flights w/ there 742s aswell? Can an ETOPS 75 make it from HNL-NRT, or how about with a stopover in guam? Just curious, because the asian market is expanding or at least it seems that way, with every airline under the sun adding flights that direction.

Yes, HP did operate a continuation of their PHX-HNL flight onto Nagoya for a little while.



User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

They definately will not go further than Hawaii with there 757s--I'm sure they will not make the same mistake again.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

The ETOPS also helps HP run the CUN and SJO flights without having to follow the coastline. Saves about 1 hour on CUN trips.

...neither one of these flights needs ETOPS at all to follow the GC.


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