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Questions About Orders And Options  
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Tell me the difference, it has got to be obvious, but I will follow-up questions.




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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12509 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2481 times:
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Quite often, when an airlines orders planes, they will also purchase additional "options". The exact terms of the options vary, but at a basic level, they give the airline the chance to purchase additional planes at a later date, but usually at the same price they paid for the original order. Some options might also reserve production line slots for the airline.

For example, BrimAir orders 15 A320s and at the same time takes 10 options. These options are valid for 5 years, and allow BrimAir to purchase 10 more A320s at the same price as the original 15 (regardless of any price increase Airbus might have imposed before the options are taken up). If BrimAir decides not to purchase the additional 10 planes, the options will lapse, and any money paid for the options will be lost.

Depending on how big a customer the airline is, the exact T&Cs associated with the options will vary - how much they cost, how long they're valid, can they be switched to other models, etc. etc. The bigger customer you are, the better terms you're likely to get.



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User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Order is firm and delivery slots have been agreed to. The airline will take the aircraft.
An option is agreed to by the airline and the manufacturer whereby the airline has a choice of confirming the option into an order or not taking advantage of it (depending on how the industry or its operations evolve). The airline has to make a decision by a certain date agreed to by both parties.


User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Well summarised by Scbriml & Jonathon-I

The line between orders and options has reached new levels of blurring with the A38 & 7e7.

In the good old days orders were orders, supported by a sizeable deposit (the exact size determined by the period between the date of the order and construction commencing), which was not refundable, transferrable or deferrable, other than in exceptional cases.

Progress payments (tranches) are payable before construction starts, and then on completion of various milestones.

An option usually reserves production line positions, for a small payment. Manufacturers usually limit the number of options an airline can acquire at one time, as a % of the number of firm orders they place.

At a pre-arranged time before manufacturing starts, the airline must either convert the option/s into order/s, or cancel them. Manufacturers usually permit cancelled option $'s to be deferred, or transferred to other models, or even used as payment for orders.

How to tell between an order and an option? Check the airline's financials before and after the order has been placed. For orders, expect to see notes in the accounts in respect to contingent and term liabilities, and publicity from the lead financier and/or leasing company.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Wow, thanks folks, most of my follow-ups were answered in one shot.

What about how many the airlines chooses to order/option to begin with, they can't have all the money needed for potential growth, can they? Unless it is borrowed, shouldn't technically all aircraft order be done at once with no options? How does an airline know how many options are needed? Granted they look at how their numbers are -- I guess if they get to have the option then they will use it when necessary.

Bt then they would not have had the option to order unless the plane existed. Big grin

For the most part, ya'll answered my questions, thanks again.  Smile



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