Cyclonic From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 231 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3433 times:
If it goes through, watch the stink coming from QF! I don't think it'll happen, Mr Dixon would rather chew his arm off than allow SQ to fly ex-SYD, but if the government here can be blinded with enough numbers.......
UA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3405 times:
The article above, while very encouraging, still quotes only a Singaporean government official. I'll believe that a deal is close when I hear a similar statement from an Australian government official since it is Australia that is resisting such a deal due to pressure from Dixon and Company.
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8429 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3144 times:
Does Singapore have any other "Open Skies" deals?
I believe they have an open skies agreement with the US. Having one with Australia would allow them to take advantage of the existing one with the US further.
While I would like to see more competition on the US-OZ route it shouldn't be at the expense of Australian jobs. Perhaps some form of conditions regarding what labour can be used Ie 75% of all fa's must be Australian.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3132 times:
Does Singapore have any other "Open Skies" deals?
The answer is the last two sentences of the linked article:
Singapore has open skies pacts with the United States, New Zealand, Brunei, Chile, Peru and the United Arab Emirates. It is also in talks with India and China to liberalise air travel between Singapore and those countries.
TBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3056 times:
As UA744 says, the statement has only been made by a government official. I would wait before getting too excited on any open sky agreements. It would be very different if Anderson came out and said something in favor of both countries getting closer. Then QF should be very worried!
Last Update: Thursday, January 20, 2005. 7:00am (AEDT)
Singapore Airlines close to trans-Pacific access
Federal Transport Minister John Anderson says the Government is likely to open the lucrative trans-Pacific route to Singapore Airlines
Qantas currently controls the route which connects Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane with Los Angeles.
For years Singapore Airlines has wanted to enter the market and next month members of the Singapore Government will meet Australian officials to push the case.
Mr Anderson told the ABC's 7:30 Report it is not unreasonable that a decision could be made within six months.
"It would be my view that Cabinet would be of a mind to look seriously at some access," Mr Anderson said.
Qantas is desperate to keep Singapore Airlines off the route.
Qantas boss Geoff Dixon says there is a long way to go before there are any changes.
"There's a lot of things before that probably happens, but obviously the minister knows more about what cabinet might do than I would," he said.
Further, The Air Asia Chief, Tony Fernandes at an Asia-Pacific travel conference yesterday hit SIA for double standards about wanting to fly Australia-USA and said he was "250% with Geoff on this issue".
He claimed that Singapore had blocked his Airline from getting more passengers from Singapore to the Malaysian border town of Johor Bahru to fly them out from the airport, thus not giving him a level playing field.
I found his comments rather baffling since it is the Singapore govt and not SIA that decides such things.
Further, the Singapore govt's investment arm Temasek Holdings invested minority stakes in 2 airlines operating out of Changi, putting them in direct competition with SIA and allowed a third private airline, Valuair, to operate from Changi also in competition with SIA.
Also, I wonder why Fernandes says he is 250% with Geoff when Geoff started Jetstar Asia based in Singapore to compete directly with Tony Fernandes' Air Asia! A case of my enemy's enemy is my friend?
Off the record, Singapore-Perth return fares are now at a record low of $288 Singapore dollars (or $240 Australian dollars) on SIA, valid for booking till March 31st. All in response to immense competition ex Changi. If the govt wanted to protect SIA and their yields, they could ban Valuair, Tiger Airways, jetstar asia and Air Asia from flying out of Singapore, just as Dubai Airport prevented the entry of LCCs to compete with EK.
Qantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5815 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
those fares you quoted are all well and good but none of them are available EX perth to Singapore, i'd hardly call 3 airlines flying the SIN-PER route competition. the cheapest PER-SIN for feb was well over $800.
"Yeo said he would discuss the open skies pact with his Australian counterpart John Anderson in mid-February".
how can they almost be there if they've not discussed it with our transport minister??
but anyways, bring it on, i'll gladly fly SQ to LA if the price is right, QF has been milking us for way to long on this route, good competition from SQ will be a bonus for us travellers.
a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
Lots of rumours reaching me that Virgin Blue will announce its transpac long haul operation very soon as it tries to get capacity allocation as an Australian flag carrier before SQ carves out a slice.
'Friendly' tension no doubt exists yet again between SQ and the Virgin Group as 49% owner of VS, while Richard Branson's family company has its own 24% of Virgin Blue (DJ).
Wonder how long before Dixon starts to bleat about the behemoth again, a term he used when he accused SQ, Branson and NZ of ganging up on poor old Qantas when the Singaporeans foolishly and expensively failed to gain 49% of Air New Zealand/Ansett in 2001.
There are so many varying accounts of just how the long haul Virgin Blue will be constituted, and whether or not SQ will relent and allow the term Virgin to be applied to it, or insist on a cop out like Pacific Blue for the NZ subsidiary, that it would be hard to guess what it will be like, what it will fly or how it will be owned, other than being at least 51% Australian owned as required under the US-Australia air traffic agreement.