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Biggest Domestic Aviation Outside The US.  
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1823 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Which country has the largest domestic aviation network outside the US?
China ? India? Brazil ? Australia? Russia?
I'm talking about the number of serviceable airports and number of flights here.




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User currently offlineAriis From Poland, joined Sep 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Hi there,

I think Japan can compete, at least from the number of passengers and flights point of view (distances are short though).

Best regards
FAO



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

My feeling is:

1. US
2. China
3. Brazil

Rgs,






User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

The EU is number two behind tzhe USA.

User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

Yea Russia Japan and Brazil have pretty big ones. Also China. What about Australia too Canada?


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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1823 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

The EU is number two behind tzhe USA

Domestic Flight: A flight that operates between two places located in the same country.





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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

I would imagine China by quite a way. In the next 20 years I expect domestic air travel in China to be much bigger than US domestic, with 5 times the population and a rapidly expanding economy. Japan to a lesser extent and of course Brazil, but I'd say that China was definitely the front runner behind the US and closing fast.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

My Guess goes for Russia, however, China might be the runner-up too ...


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

No way Russia has a bigger domestic aviation market than Brazil. Just look at the fleet for scheduled domestic flights of both countries. Brazil even has a LCC with the biggest fleet of 737NG in LatAm. There are 66 airports in Brazil which received scheduled twin-jets services.

One good indication that Brazil comes second or third is that it has the second biggest helicopter and business jet fleet in the world.

I would agree with the above post: 1st. US, 2nd. China (taking into account that China is closing the gap with the US very fast), 3rd Brazil and 4th Japan or Australia followed by Russia, Mexico and India. Argentina and South Africa also have important domestic markets.

Rgs,


[Edited 2005-01-24 15:54:00]

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

If we consider that Aeroflot has the largest fleet in the World, I'd say Russia comes second. One could also argue in favor of the EU since all flights are considered domestic flights within the Shengen zone. Slightly off topic but people need to get used to the new reality of the EU as a single geo-political entity, and less about European countries whic these days is little more than just a label.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

Aeroflot has the largest fleet in the World

You must be joking....the word's leading three airliners are the US-carrier American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines...anything else is peanuts if you compare to them.

Aeroflot has a fleet of about 80 a/c. If you combine Brazil's TAM and VARIG you already have a fleet of almost 200! LCC GOL has the biggest 737NG fleet outside the US.

Canada also has an important aviation domestic market.

Rgs,


[Edited 2005-01-24 16:25:08]

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Aeroflot HAD the largest fleet of the world. This was in the former Sovietunion. In our days there are many different airlines in Russia and Aeroflot is not as big anymore.

User currently offlineScanorama From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

EU has the biggest domestic flight market outside the US, followed by Japan.

User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

The EU market is NOT a domestic market

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

The EU is not a domestic market. What is the biggest EU domestic market? I think Spain.

Japan's domestic market is smaller than Brazil.

Rgs,


User currently offlineScanorama From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

I like to think EU as one single country, they operate towarding like one.

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

Scanorama, I think like you. Th EU market is a domestic market.
ZRH, I stand corrected. I knew that Aeroflot's fleet was once much larger than anything else in the World. I haven't payed much attention as of late.


User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

This is a pretty generally worded thread---but I am sure the 'domestic" Canadian market would well exceed Australia--its a considerably bigger country with more spreadout population-

The question is a little general mind you--


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

In terms of pax/km, maybe China, Brazil, Canada, Australia and India are on top, but in terms of total pax only, I'd say Japan (HND alone is one of the top airports in the world) followed by...?

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1823 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

This is a pretty generally worded thread

I had mentioned 'The largest in terms of airport numbers and number of flights".



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3678 times:
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People need to get their facts right, the EU is a single avation entity, but it is not a single domestic market, big difference there. Domestic can only be used when describing countries, the EU is not. Flights between non-Schengen countries are not classified as domestic either, intra-EU yes, domestic no.







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User currently offlineRaivavae From France, joined Jul 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

France 2003 : 23.031.851 domestic pax + 2.940.828 France-overseas departments + 705.817 domestic overseas = 26.6M passengers
2004 is 2.77% higher.
I was always told that France was the biggest European domestic market, has anyone the numbers for Germany, England and Spain? Has well has Brazil, China and Russia?

Is a London-Glasgow flight, a domestic one? Big grin
a domestic flight is a flight where you don't have to go though immigration, so flight within the shengen area are domestic flights, and are considered here as so by the authorities.
There is more difference between the people boarding a flight from Boston to Houston than some from Barcelona to Roma .


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6538 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

If the EU is one country, why do they have separate United Nations memberships rather than just one? Does it also mean that there will be one olympic team representing the EU?

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1823 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Is a London-Glasgow flight, a domestic one

Nothwithstanding the possible presence of Scottish separatists here  Wink/being sarcastic, yes , London-Glasgow is pretty much a domestic flight.



so flight within the shengen area are domestic flights, and are considered here as so by the authorities.

There are no immigration formalities between the schenegan countries because the treaty allows for free movement of people. This does not mean that the international borders have been abolished. So any flight between say Amsterdam and Paris, would still be an international flight, not a domestic one.

If the EU is one country...

No it is not, and never will be.






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User currently offlineCloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Well, considering that in Greece they all marched in as one group, yeah I would bet that in a few years there is one team. Which points out that right now it is hard to tell who is the largest because the world is so unstable right now.

For domestic I would definitely say the EU, when measured against number fo flights and airports. Which is a completely different thing measured by number of passengers. The US has a lot of flights - most of them are small and to many smaller airports. Japan has a lot of passengers, but they are big flights between a few large airports.

China also ranks up there, but as fewer people can afford to fly there, their numbers aren't as strong.

Are you looking for the country with the most airports, the most airlines, or the most travelers? I think you may want to narrow down your question, or it answer is going to be pretty confusing.



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25 Stealthpilot : India???? Hehehehe in 20 years maybe but not now. Passenger wise of course not, number of serviceable airports by twin jets not close to Brazils 66.
26 Anthsaun : I´m just presenting the numbers at Mexico so it can be placed in the world contest. Airports: Domestic Service Only............ 29 International Serv
27 Chrisrad : Year on Year OCT 04 Australia had 38.2 millions passenger movements
28 Bkonner : I agree that the European Union (EU) is becoming, or will become, a federal state at one time. I also think this is a very good thing! The individual
29 SHUPirate1 : Ralvalve-For flights from St. Thomas, USVI to the mainland United States, you DO have to clear customs...does that make them international flights, de
30 Raivavae : Customs is different from immigration.
31 Raivavae : I would be interested in knowing the numbers of US domestic passengers, anyone knows? Thanks
32 ViveLeYHZ : Raivavae, According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (US DOT), the number of domestic passengers in the US was 587.6 million for 2003. July
33 KaiGywer : Bkonner, excellent explanation. As far as EU is concerned, it works a lot like a domestic flight to a certain degree. I used to work at SVG and flew t
34 Raivavae : Norway is NOT a Shengen country, neither in EU, does not has Euro !!! That is why you went thought immigration when flying to Stavanger. Norway (and I
35 Neo : Well, according to INFRAERO's website, the number of domestic passenger in Brazil was: 2003 - 61.3 millions 2004 (jan thru nov) - 64.8 millions In ter
36 Airgeek12 : China or europe probobly.
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