Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Alaska: Is There Room For Another Regional?  
User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

With HP adding more service to ANC, I'm wondering how they would serve some of the other communities in the state.

It appears that AS has all the regionals in their grip. Can the market there support another regional airline?


The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
15 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

I don't think there is enough of a market to warrant another regional. Doesn't AS do most intra-Alaskan flying with their own metal (meaning not Horizon)?

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

I believe(I could be wrong) AS is partnered with Era Aviation and Penn-Air I believe for non mainline flights.


The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3370 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

AS codeshares with PenAir (Peninsula Airways) and Era Aviation for non-mainline flying to both small and large communities in the state, but AS does quite a bit of mainline jet service to various cities throughout Alaska - many of which are partially paid with EAS subsidies.

IMHO, there isn't sufficient demand to support another regional carrier. Many have already gone under due to high operating costs, difficult operating conditions, etc.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Era has been sold, and the new owners only want to keep the rotary wing portion. It will be interesting to see what happens with Era in the very, very near future. They are, as reported in the paper, in negotiations with a "buyer" to take over the fixed wing portion. I can't speculate on who the buyer might be. If it's an already established Alaska based carrier I'd have to guess, of course, PenAir or Frontier. I believe PenAir is better suited financially.

In this light, I'd say not another regional carrier - but a reincarnation of Era.



User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Funny. I happend upon this DOT FAQ page expaining EAS.

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/rural/easfaqs.htm#PAYING%20AN%20EAS%20CARRIER


We currently subsidize 26 communities in Alaska...


I guess that sums it up. If so much of the state is receiving EAS funding then the markets can't be that big. Not only that, but competitors would have to wait until EAS funding for each route comes up for renewal.



The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

MarkAir, anyone?  Smile

Cheers.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

According to the JP book, I believe there are more airlines in Alaska than any other state. Most are bush pilots hauling outdoorsmen and cargo but they are airlines.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

It does seem a little bit surprising that nobody has partnered up with 2F (Frontier Flying). They are the other big regional airline up here.


GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

I use Frontier Flying often - once a month at least, between ANC and FAI. Flight time is a bit longer than AS on a 73 or MD80, and there's no service (bring aboard coffee or a coke) but the tix are cheaper - by a few dollars and the biggest reason of all - NO TSA NAZIS!!!

They have an extensive network throughout mostly northern Alaska - even flying to SCC, AS only competition there . . . I wouldn't at all mind seeing them take over the Era fixed wing operation. There would be considerations though - what would AS ask of them if they were to be offered FF Partner status? Would they have to abandon some routes where they compete with AS? Perhaps not - Era competes on the ANC-ADQ run. Who could know.

Certainly some things will change in Alaskan aviation shortly with the sale of the Era fixed wing operations.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Era and AS also compete on ANC-Cordova. Off the top of my head, AS competes with PenAir on ANC-Dillingham, ANC-King Salmon, and until recently ANC-Dutch Harbor.

Although this is a financial pipe dream, I think it would be kind of cool to see Horizon take over the Era routes if Era were to go under. Era's a nice little airline though, I have always enjoyed their chocolate chip cookies.

Frontier Flying is also the only competition for AS on the ANC-FAI route.



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Chugach . . . .Era were to go under.

They aren't going under - they are fine . . . Era Aviation was purchased by Secor, a Louisiana based company that operates strictly rotary wing in support of oil fields, off shore drilling etc. Secor made it known from the beginning that they did NOT want a fixed wing airline in Alaska . . . .therefore, the fixed wing assets are for sale.

They won't simply quit flying because of the Federal Essential Air Service ERA provides to many Alaskan towns and villages. But someone will have to take over the fixed wing operations soon. They have already retired the Convair 580s because the new company didn't want to pay for insurance on the old girls . . .


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Snorre - VIP Vienna International Planespotters



User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

ANCflyer...that was a bad choice of words on my part. I completely forgot about their operations out of Bethel. There was an interesting article in Sunday's Fairbanks paper about Carl Brady, the founder of Era. He seemed pretty sad that the airline is being sold.


GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Same article in the Anchorage Daily Gag . . . the guy started the business with one small helicopter and built it all himself. Sold out several years ago but remained on the board, yadda, yadda - why am I telling you - you read the article.

I suppose I'd be sad too if I saw I put my life in to just disappear or be chopped apart.

I'm gonna miss those Convairs on the Crew Change flights to the Slope . . .



User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Frontier Flying is a great airline. They seem to have had problems competing against AS on the FAI-ANC route though. They used to have somewhere around a dozen flights each weekday, but now they've cut back to 3 daily. It looks like they've put more effort into the interior bush villages lately.


Semper ubi sub ubi.
User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Quite frankly I always figured Frontier would have a hard time competing on the FAI-ANC route. I'm glad they are flying it just for the sake of competition but the fact is that most folks are going to opt for a jet over a Beech, especially those from the lower 48 who only know about AS.


GO ROCKETS
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Is There Room For AC To Fly Nonstop YYZ To KIX? posted Thu May 18 2006 04:05:46 by AirCanada014
Is There Room For A French Lowcost Airline? posted Fri May 6 2005 14:23:23 by Beaucaire
Is There Room For Medium Cost Carriers? posted Fri Dec 19 2003 21:38:18 by Codeshare
Is There Room For A 3rd Australian Carrier posted Wed Nov 3 1999 07:47:55 by AirLanka
Is There Room In Canada For Another Airline posted Fri Aug 31 2001 19:00:31 by Westjet_8
Is There A Market For A 787-7? posted Wed Aug 16 2006 22:05:00 by 1337Delta764
Is There A Market For Scheduled Flights To VCV? posted Tue Aug 1 2006 02:29:38 by SBNair3022
Is There A Market For A 90-160 Seat Props? posted Thu Mar 16 2006 14:32:46 by PavlovsDog
Is There A Need For A True 757 Replacement? posted Thu Jan 5 2006 05:07:13 by UALMMFlyer
Room For Another Alliance posted Sat Sep 17 2005 19:37:59 by BHXDTW