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Question About Oneworld's Frequent Flyer Programs  
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Hi all,

I am planning a long holiday in the Asia/Pacific region in the second half of this year. I already thought about a USA/Hawaii/Guam holiday to get a flight on Continental Micronesia's Island Hopper, or to explore all the small Pacific Islands on Air New Zealand via LAX. Unfortunately I found out that these flights would be quite expensive and that they would give me not more than Silver Elite in Continental's frequent flyer program and absolutely no status in Lufthansa's Miles & More program (as a German resident you need 50.000 miles to get silver and not only 25.000 miles like all residents of all other countries).

I found out that I could become Qantas Frequent Flyer Gold Elite when I am booking a Germany-Australia flight in Business Class (I already saw a few good offers) and two flights within Australia/New Zealand (I would like to travel within/between these countries anyway when I am there). QF is offering a special Biz fare including two domestic flights as well as attractive stopover deals in Asia, so I will try to include a stop in SIN and in BKK as well as a routing via LHR on BA in order to get more miles.

Now to my actualy question: Does it make sense to join (and become gold elite) in QF's FFP for me as an European living in Europe? Doesn't it make more sense for me to join BA's Executive Club or does Oneworld treat every gold customer equal? An example: When I am flying from HAM to LHR, do I get an upgrade sooner when I am BA ExClub Gold or when I am Qantas FF Gold? Or when I am flying FRA-SIN on QF, do I get sooner an upgrade when I am gold member of QF's FFP or do they treat me equal when I am BA ExClub elite?

Another question: Does BA ExClub give me the same amount of miles/elite points like QF when I am flying only on QF and not on BA?

How is it on other Oneworld airlines like AA or IB, do they recognize my QF status when it comes to upgrades, elite bonus miles, etc.?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Patrick

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User currently offlineQantasffCL From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Ok, I don't mean to be blunt, but you will receive minimal benefit. You as a gold (sapphire oneworld) flying Europe Traveller or shorthaul are below Staff, Premier, Gold and Silver members. BA will give a seat to a BA silver compared to QF Chairmans Lounge.

With BA Executive Club, you receive a points bonus for flying Qantas. They have strong ties in SOME areas of their FF schemes.

Qantas gold are scum... Platinum and Chairmans Lounge have reserved exit rows, row 1 of each class and preferred seats. GO FOR BA EXECUTIVE CLUB!

(I know that sounded very snooty but, I was being truthful  Big grin


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Truth be told, I wouldn't bother with any OW frequent flyer program - they all suck, and are getting worse by the day. QF recently upped the mileage required for tier status, as has BA. The only one possibly worth investigating is AA's AAdvantage programme.

User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

yes QF has also recently upped the redemption rates too, it's now alot harder to get free QF flights using your points than it was before, the points debacle has been quite a big issue down here.

i only use my QF FF for domestic flights now, i've gone to using UAL MP as it's a much better package!

steer clear of Qantas FF.



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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

BA are stingy, but flying on QF does get you the same miles as flying BA as far as I know. Bear in mind BA only give you 25% of miles flown unless you pay full economy fare. I don't know what the biz and 1st class miles are like. Personally I wouldn't bother with BA's Exec Club. I've got CO OnePass as well and that is far more generous.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

When you consider OW, then go for AA and enroll in the Plat Challenge. Or at least Gold Challenge. This does not give you a red carpet (at least Gold doesn't), but you can reserve exit row, you get complimentary companion upgrades, complimentary upgrade vouchers for each 10,000nm flown (only for AA domestic though), you get business class check-in, and as it touches me, flying ORD-FRA several times a year, it gives me free upgrades, as this flight is always sold out in coach...
You also get 25% extra on your miles, at least when flying AA, and apart from the transatlantic thing with BA, they treat all partners pretty much equal, like if flying their own.
Other than LH where I just killed my remaining miles and will not really work on new ones in the future... And that from a German who actually likes LH...

dan



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

The only good thing about BA's Exec Club is the online seat choosing facility.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Hey guys, thanks for all your replies!

My situation is the following: I would like to become elite in another FFP beside AF's Frequences Plus and I am planning a rather long holiday with many flights in the second half of this year, actually I am flexible regarding the destination so almost every FFP can be considered but the Australia/Pacific region would be perfect because you can become Gold Elite by booking an Europe-Australia return flight in Biz as well as two or three flights within Australia or between Australia and New Zealand. Furthermore is Australia high on my "You must travel to" list because it is the only continent I have never been and Qantas has some very interesting offers on their website regarding Biz Class specials.

I think that BA ExClub is the best for me because it will also give me benefits when I am flying within Europe. I also promised a buddy who is going to make an internship in South Africa that I will visit him there in November or December and I already saw that BA has cheap fares to JNB via LHR (another argument for becoming ExClub member).

Patrick

PS: Nudelhirsch, I will also kill my remaining LH miles soon and leave the Miles & More program because it has become a total joke! I already returned my Miles & More credit card in favour of American Express, their Membership Revards Program also allows to collect miles while paying with the card.


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Hi Patrick,

I would serioucly consider AA Platinum. One-way in FRA-SIN-SYD in J will give you AA Platinum via the challenge (10000 Q-points, you get 1,25 per mile in J). After that, you get lounge access, 100% bonus on all oneworld carriers and 4 500-milers per 10,000 miles flown. These can be turned into 2000 bonus miles, thus I earn 220% in economy class on AY as AA Platinum.

You also earn 50% on BA cheapies due to the AA Plat bonus. AA oneworld awards are especially good value, I flew HEL-BKK-HKG-CEB//MNL-SYD-PER-CGK-SIN-BKK-HEL in J for only 130000 miles.

While airlines usually upgrade their own members first, it goes usually like own EME, ow EME, own SAP, ow SAP, own RUBY, ow RUBY. I have got numerous upgrades on AY as well as one with CX as AA Gold/Plat.



Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlineOzglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Sabena332,

I have been QF Platinum for three years and live in Paris. However, I travel back to Australia at least twice a year, usually, in Business. I also have AF Blue and Star Alliance Silver status. I'm not sure there is THAT much additional value in being BA Exec Club over QF FF as a resident of Europe. I get to use BA and all other OW First lounges world wide, I have been upgraded to First on long haul on both BA and CX, I get First Class check-in and wait-list priority on all OW carriers and since they're all starting to betray us on the points side, there not that much in it. Of course, being QF FF is a bonus for my domestic travel within Australia. On the other hand, I find the facilities generally of a better standard on OW carriers than on SkyTeam or Star Alliance (except Singapore Airlines).

Ozglobal



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Hi Lari,

I am glad (and I hoped) that you replied because you have a very good knowledge regarding FFP's! Thanks for this!

An AAdvantage membership sounds very good, I will take a look on the AA website now to check their FFP out.

I found out that an Oneworld FFP would be the best for me, mainly because of the (favored) trip to Australia but also because of the planned trip to JNB. Furthermore I would like to check out LAN between FRA and MAD some day and I could fly Iberia (instead of the German charters) to collect miles/points when I fly between Germany and Spain frequently (my parents just finished to build a house near AGP).

Unfortunately it looks like my AF Freqence Plus account will suffer from my planned trips on all these Oneworld airlines but I would not be sad when I have to give away AF Frequences Plus Blue (like Silver status, even without lounge access) in favour of AAdvantage Platinium.

Patrick

Btw: When I become an OW FFP member I have a good reason to fly on AY to HEL (or prefered to BKK), then we can finally drink a few beers together  Big thumbs up.

Patrick


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Patrick,

Take a close look at the AA stuff here:

http://www.aa.com/apps/AAdvantage/ViewMileageProgramsDetail.jhtml?anchorEvent=false&partnerType=Air

The challenge is not a documented feature but available.

Personally I believe there is no best oneworld program. It really depends on your travels/classes. For example AA members can't earn on BA transatlantic and vice versa. Then all the different fare classes... Basically in J you are covered, but discount economy on different airlines work differently with most programs.

Don't you lucky bastards have great AY J fares to Asia there anyway?  Big grin Big thumbs up




Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

Thanks a lot Lari!

I know about the AA/BA disadvantage regarding transatlantic flights but it is ok for me, I never flew on AA and why not try them on an transatlantic flight on some day in the future? The fare classes are a minor problem, I have planned to fly less within Europe to afford Biz Class on a few long-haul flights.

Don't you lucky bastards have great AY J fares to Asia there anyway?

Well, you guys have some great advantages on LH compared to us Germans  Big grin.

Seriously, AY is actually the best way to combine a MD-11 flight with a nice stay in Asia, definitely another advantage of Oneworld, thus an OW FFP would be the best for me during the next few years.

Patrick


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3706 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

I wouldn't rule out the Executive Club just yet! Since you are European based the threshold levels for the different tiers are pittance. BA use a tier point scheme for status as opposed to miles.

As a German resident you'd only need 400pts per year to retain Silver, and 800pts for Gold. A return trip in Club Europe will earn you 80pts (40pts in eligible Euro Traveller fare), a longhaul BA business class return trip will earn 240pts (440pts for Australia). On other OW partners if the sector is less than 2000 miles then you'll earn 20/40/60pts (Y/J/F) or for more than 2000 miles this increases to 60/120/180.

You could earn Silver status on the BA scheme (OW Sapphire) and be a fair way onto OW Emerald on your planned Australian itinerary. The caveat is that you need to take 4 flights on BA metal before you can move up from Blue to Silver.

You must be aware though that BA Executive Club is not designed around the coach traveller, frequent or not. I fly 90% in business class and do rather well out the Executive Club, if you intend to fly coach a lot I'd look elsewhere.

If you have any specific questions then drop me a line.


[Edited 2005-01-28 00:52:48]


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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

I just checked the AA points thing again - actually you get 1.5 points per mile in J class, so only 33333 flown miles in J gets you Platinum requalification the traditional way.

Well, you guys have some great advantages on LH compared to us Germans

I'm sure you will come and buy cheaper LH fares from Finland - I read you had such a wonderful experience to JFK in the high quality economy class of Deutsche Lufthansa  Big grin  Big grin Sorry I couldn't resist...

Cheers,

Lari



Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

AA is very generous with their program, and I fly ONLY in cattle class....once you hit 25K to gold, it gets good..and as stated above, using some extra miles to upgrade is very nice, and you ALWAYS get to reserve the emergeny exit row (if they are available)....I find these exit rows to be VERY roomy and comfortable.......

plus, as stated above, its great to check in the business class checking, and use different TSA lines (in some airports at least).........

plus, boarding in Group 1 (after 1st/business class) is great too since I get to my economy seat first before most and get to unwind and get situated before the crowd shows up..

i haven't used them with oneworld partners, yet, but I plan on flying CX from SFO to KHI...so I have to figure out (told basically), how it works so I can get AA miles..

good luck.  Big grin



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

I read you had such a wonderful experience to JFK in the high quality economy class of Deutsche Lufthansa

Yes, it is well known that they are the best airline in the world and that their service in Economy Class is outstanding  Yeah sure.

Lari, you are so lucky that you mostly see their upper or front deck, the back of their cabin has really become the worst of the whole industry! (But you already noticed that by yourself as I could read in your reports).

Patrick


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Wow, just saw that many members replied in the past few minutes, thanks a lot for all your advice, this is really appreciated!

You must be aware though that BA Executive Club is not designed around the coach traveller, frequent or not. I fly 90% in business class and do rather well out the Executive Club, if you intend to fly coach a lot I'd look elsewhere.

Fbgdavidson, the Australia and the South Africa trip would be in Club, the "fun trip" on LA to MAD of course in Eco and most of the IB flights to Spain also in Eco unless I will find a special Biz Class offer.

I would say that my long-haul flights will be in Club/Business and the short flights will be in Traveler/Economy.

Well, at least I try to save so much money to realize my plans  Big grin.

Patrick

[Edited 2005-01-28 01:14:06]

User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Not sure if I mentioned that above, Patrick, Gold on AA is so freaking easy to get and then you can reserve the exit row seats, so if you don't get upgraded you at least have an exit row seat.

Comparing LH and AA in coach and in biz, AA can totally keep up, their food is quite good in coach (for airline food standards...lol), entertainment is quite good...

AFAIK AA gives full miles for using their partners within Europe, including BA, just not BA over the Pond...

I am flying between FRA and ORD several times a year on AA, and the last times I got free upgrades with my gold status, the miles sum up quite quickly (Citibank has a MasterCard giving you AA miles...), so the overall deal is quite good. I have looked into different products, cabin and FF-Program, and decided that AA is the best for me.



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User currently offlineQantasheavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

I am a SA)">OW Emerald (QF Plat) and have been top-tier elite on BA and SA)">AA... SA)">AA is the best program by far. BA Gold is the worst of the three. QF and SA)">AA bonues are better, but SA)">AA points go further.

QF MEL-LAX-JFK First Class = 275,000 points... about to go WAY up
SA)">AA MEL-LAX-JFK First Class = 145,000 points

And you fly the SAME metal (QF 744) for both flights!)
(I may be a few miles off on the above, but it's close). QF is usually about double the 1st/biz points requirements over SA)">AA and UA.

I am elite with Star Alliance, and again, UA is the best.

Was SKyTeam Platinum with Delta, which was fantastic -- better the AF FP, so maybe you should use your Delta for your SkyTeam miles?

I just used 280,000 points to buy TWO 1st AF tix IAH-CDG, stop-over, then Biz AF CDG-SGN return. HA, on QF that's ONE 1st tik to NYC! I used Delta miles for the AF itineraries. Skymiles is wonderful.

The US market is so much more competitive that the frequent flyers demand better deals. Of course, the airlines are losing $$$, so arguably the other carriers understand that ff prgrams don't need to be too good of deals!

You should do the SA)">AA challenge, as advised above.


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3706 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

This is probably the best place to ask about your decision...

Oneworld board on Flyertalk: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=411
Or perhaps on the other airlines individual boards which get more traffic:
American Airlines: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=445
British Airways: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=446
Qantas: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=498

To be honest with you I'd say Flyertalk is a better place for this discussion being a primarily FF based forum as opposed to plane spotters...



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User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Hello A.netters,

Sabena332 mentioned several times that he will get gold status for his Oz trip. I did a trip to Oz in 2003 and for that reason I got a Qantas FF membership.

FRA-SIN-SYD and return in Biz
SYD-AYQ , AYQ-ASP , ASP-DRW , DRW-BNE , OOL-SYD in Eco

Why did I only obtain silver status for that?

As I am in the US now till May, do I get full miles for flying on AA?

Frederik



Gig 'em Aggies!!!
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Why did I only obtain silver status for that?

I don't know why you only got silver status. According to QF's points calculator will I earn 580 status points for HAM-LHR-SIN-SYD-BKK-LHR-HAM and 120 status points for SYD-AKL-SYD, makes alltogether 700 points and therefore I will become gold elite as visible on this page.

Patrick


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