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The Future Of PIE  
User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 352 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

With ATA and Southeast now gone all PIE has left is USA3000 and some random canadian carriers. ATA's depature should have been forseen as the carrier no longer needs to serve PIE to have access to the Tampa market. I assume they won't need to expand.


Looking forward to the new AA
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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

ATA is still serving PIE from MDW aren't they?


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User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Nope, according to the Times (St. Pete) it is a complete withdraw.


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User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

They will still want to expand to capture the "expected" increase in tourist traffic.

Too bad for PIE, that's a nice little terminal.

Moman



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

I thought ATA was going to continue PIE out of MDW - it's on the WN codeshare list.

http://www.ata.com/about_ata/news/20050113.pdf

It still makes little sense to me, BTW, since WN flies MDW-TPA - perhaps the ATA flight schedule just allows for easier connections to/from specific WN flights?

It is too bad about PIE, but as we've discussed on here before, PIE and TPA are so close to each other that PIE doesn't offer a material advantage over TPA.


User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9518 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Look for USA 3000's new nonstops between Chicago Midway and Indianapolis! Haha.

I'm sure the terminal will get some low cost carrier in there. What about Trans Meridian, Hooters Air, etc.?

Give it some time.



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User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6636 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Nope, according to the Times (St. Pete) it is a complete withdraw.


Got a link? Is this today's paper?



I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2381 times:
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There was an article yesterday about ABE (Lehigh Valley Int'l Airport) working out a deal with a consultant to provide service from ABE to PIE and FLL using Pace aircraft. The shutdown of Southeast has made a big dent in the ABE airport's revenues so they've been proactive in getting some Florida service restored.


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User currently offlineL104me From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2379 times:


It's funny that the ATA press release mentions nothing about the withdrawal of the MDW service. But all of the local media is reporting a complete withdrawal. I heard it first on the local NBC affiliate, and also found it on BayNews9.com


http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/1/27/69486.html

I wonder how long the PIE airport can survive with such limited commercial service?


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

I wonder how long the PIE airport can survive with such limited commercial service?

Good question. AA, US and perhaps EA all served PIE at one time and closed it. It's really a shame, but TPA int'l is one of the finest airports in the country and the two airports are just seperated by the Howard Frankand Br. so there is little advantage to PIE, except perhaps for Pinellas County pride.  Smile




User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

the article is on the front page

The only thing Pinellas county has to be proud of are the beaches and downtown St. Pete along the waterfront. The rest is marginally nice, and at worst, urban decay. Look at the decisions made by the city and county planners and it's easy to see there is no foresight in their decisions. Clearwater builds a world-class ballpark for the Phillies underneath tons of power transmission lines, beside a bunch of ghetto apartments, and the other side is an ugly highway (us 19). I could think of three or four more examples.

The airport is no exception to this mismanagement. PIE is a great GA and cargo facility but they are fighting a losing battle with TPA. TPA is much nicer facility and the wealth in the area is on the Hillsborough side, not Pinellas.

Pinellas just needs to get used to it's place in the shadow of Tampa. There has always been the "jealous little brother" syndrome and PIE is an outgrowth of that. Until Pinellas gets serious about attracting large companies with well paying jobs, we will see all those jobs go along the Veternas expy area in Tampa or along I75 between New Tampa and Brandon. The cycle will continue.

Moman



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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Look at how close PBI, FLL and MIA are to each other..yet they are 3 seperate and distinct markets.

User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Nothing on ATA's website yet, although I just tried to do a flight search for June MDW-PIE and it told me there were no flights available. Website returns March flights just fine.

Tampa Bay's main news radio station, 970, is also reporting the pullout:

http://www.970wfla.com/fla_localstory.html?ID=20050127075801

although they don't cite a source.

Hooters Air would be a possibility for St. Pete, since Hooters was founded in Pinellas County.  Smile


User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Look at how close PBI, FLL and MIA are to each other..yet they are 3 seperate and distinct markets.

PIE and TPA serve the exact same market: Tampa for business and Clearwater/StPete for beaches. The beaches here aren't near as well known as the panhandle or east coast, or even further down by Sanibel island, etc.

Moman



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User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

With TPA the primary airport across the bay, PIE has always played a secondary role over the years. The passenger traffic has overwhelmingly been leisure "snow-bird" types and people on a budget who could care less about the seat pitch, the type of aircraft, or the fact that the airline they're flying on is in the midst of an FAA investigation. (See Southeast.) St. Pete/Clearwater passengers willingly endure the elements like sub-tropical down pours as they board and deplane from their aircraft. Like a cyclical roller coaster, in the worst of times the place has looked like a veritable ghost town.

However, to the city father's credit and foresight, PIE will upgrade its terminal facility over the coming years, extend the runway out to 10,000 ft., and in so doing help attract a new start-up carrier or possibly an existing one like Hooter's Air.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Look at how close PBI, FLL and MIA are to each other..yet they are 3 seperate and distinct markets.

PBI is pretty independent, but MIA and FLL cater to the same exact population base and market. FLL is the domestic airport, MIA is the international airport.



a.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Here is the article:

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/01/27/Business/ATA_to_stop_local_ser.shtml

It states PIE-MDW is ending too.

There is a rumour that has been posted on this board that Spirit Airlines may move their TPA operations to PIE, but take it with a grain of salt.



a.
User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6636 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

I guess SRQ is ending too... Sad


I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

I guess SRQ is ending too...

FL already announced SRQ-MDW, so I don't think the loss will be that great for Sarasota/Bradenton.


User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

However, to the city father's credit and foresight, PIE will upgrade its terminal facility over the coming years, extend the runway out to 10,000 ft., and in so doing help attract a new start-up carrier or possibly an existing one like Hooter's Air.

Some might call that lunacy. As a Pinellas county resident (yuck), the money could be used elsewhere including cleaning up this place and better roads.

With TPA the primary airport across the bay, PIE has always played a secondary role over the years. The passenger traffic has overwhelmingly been leisure "snow-bird" types and people on a budget who could care less about the seat pitch, the type of aircraft, or the fact that the airline they're flying on is in the midst of an FAA investigation. (See Southeast.) St. Pete/Clearwater passengers willingly endure the elements like sub-tropical down pours as they board and deplane from their aircraft. Like a cyclical roller coaster, in the worst of times the place has looked like a veritable ghost town.


That made me laugh out loud, because it certainly is the undeniable truth.

Moman



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User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

It would be smarter if the state just came in and created a "Tampa Airport System" just to jab at Pinellas. The current HCAA could easily take over PIE and let it be a charter/cargo airport.

PIE has had a stellar year and personally I wished them luck, but I hope no airline leaves TPA for PIE, because you will have many pissed off passengers who don't even know PIE exists. ATA experienced that a lot here in Tampa, where the people picking them up came to Tampa when they have no operations here. I guess free parking will return soon....



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User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

NO airline that wants to stay in business will move from TPA to PIE. It's plain and simple.

Moman



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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

according to the April 1988 Braniff (II) timetable, BN served PIE and TPA. Both were served from MCO, but TPA also was served from MCI. Interesting that they flew to both airports. Perhaps that also explains why they were gone just over a year later!  Smile



User currently onlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Keep in mind the BN service was some sort of leftover from Florida Express and PIE was just served by a BAC-111.

And to add to Momans copy of the article about Hooters Air as a possible
future tenant at PIE, how many of you know where the first Hooters restaurant was, it was in Clearwater, Florida, only a few miles from PIE !

LGA777


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

from a GA standpoint i prefer TPA vastly, raytheon is great and the mall is just a hop skip and a jump, its a fun little cross country. If you file IFR the controllers are great.

25 SegmentKing : Trans Meridian already has a presence in PIE, although I'm not sure how active they are. I believe that PIE just spent a few million renovating the fi
26 Moman : Okay I just want to clarify, I am not trying to be negative about the airport that is less than a mile from where I live (PIE). I do not believe the m
27 DB777 : To add to the list of defunct airlines that have served PIE, add Air Florida. When they started up as an intrastate carrier (not subject to the CAB wh
28 ConcordeBoy : Look at how close PBI, FLL and MIA are to each other..yet they are 3 seperate and distinct markets. Also, compare the size of the MFW market to that o
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