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User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4838 times:

Anyone have any idea how NW is doing out of PDX these days? I would really like to know how the NRT and HNL flights are doing?

I seem to see a lot of routings on NWA.COM taking you to PDX to get to NRT and HNL.

Wasn't NW going to add more flights to DTW and MSP as well??


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4651 times:
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The PDX operation is doing very well. Starting this summer, NW is probably initiate year-round DTW-PDX. The PDX-NRT is also doing well. I'm standing by my claim that we're going to announce PDX-AMS in March. It was from a very reliable source, and also that MSP-CDG will also commence this summer.


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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Jetjack,

DTW-PDX flights aren't yearround? Really. That seems quite surprising.


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

and now that I look it up on their website, no Memphis service either? I am surprised that they would not offer more domestic feed for the NRT service or at least have more service to their hubs if they are also operating flights to HNL and NRT.

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
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DTW-PDX flights aren't yearround? Really
Nope, just peak seasons and holiday periods.
That seems quite surprising
Tell me about it. We have been so blind about about Portland. PDX has always been a strong market and pretty much sat unused since DL pulled out. With the NRT and HNL flights up and running, we should be expanding and fast. I mean we'd be stupid not to. If the PDX-HNL route turns out to be as good as we hoped, then that will force us to to have year-round service to and from PDX from DTW and MEM. The departure time will probably be moved up so it can connect with in and outbound flights. This airline is so stupid sometimes. Maybe we're now just waking up. Angry



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

MEM service was discountinued a while ago, wouldnt be surprised to see it come back.


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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4531 times:
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I'd think that NW would want DTW to go year round before MEM would come online.

While I'd be excited to see PDX-AMS, I'm still skeptical. I'm sure if it is announced, we'll see Gov. Teddyboy doing cartwheels on the taxiway and taking credit for the whole damned thing, though.


User currently offlineNWAskyteam From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

During which schedule change does DTW-PDX nonstop end? I thought there was at least one daily year round now... I know it has increased to two in past summers...

User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Is PDX gonna make a hub for NW?



User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

nope...wouldn't be a hub for NW...if at all just a focus city...but even then thats not likely. honestly right now its just another international gateway to get you to Asia from the US...just like SEA, SFO, LAX, et al.

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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

Back when DL flew PDX-NGO, how were the loads?

Wasn't SEA a NW hub before their merger with Republic? I think I remember NW stating they wanted to increase at PDX after DL pulled out. But it seems they have diverted expansion to IND and MKE. So what happened?



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User currently offlineHNL From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

I suspect you'd see flights to PDX from MEM be a tag to a SEA flight, or go MEM-SEA-PDX-MEM before a dedicated MEM flight was added back to PDX. Perhaps as a redeye. . .


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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Maybe a MEM-PDX-NRT flight would work. While MEM-PDX alone would certainly not fill an A330, a direct MEM-PDX-NRT routing could allow NW to connect passengers from the MEM hub to the NRT hub in lieu of a nonstop flight. PDX would also gain a connection to MEM and connection opportunities in the southeast...


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Being a Worldperks member who will most likely be moving to Nashville this summer, MEM is by far the most convienient westward connection point. SAN, PDX, ELP, SNA/LGB/ONT are probably the biggest route holes at this time. PDX service to MEM would certainly be welcome. An MSP connection from BNA is not bad, but from destinations further south and east is a bit inconvenient. The good thing is that I could use CO through IAH and still get WorlPerks miles.


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User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

If PDX could land AMS that would be very exciting, although I'd rather see a UK flight...but any new flights are great news for PDX. Since Delta seems to have scaled back, we don't get anymore of their widebody's...besides the one to CVG (?). MEM would be very convienient for those in the Oregon area when connecting to the southeast. A while ago, I asked how the loads on the NRT flight were, and someone said they are mostly going out full. Any news on how HNL is doing?

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

>I would really like to know how the NRT and HNL flights are doing?<

Well, the NRT flights are almost as well subsidized as AA's RDU-LGW flights so there is no reason to think they are going anywhere on that route anytime soon.

>If PDX could land AMS that would be very exciting, although I'd rather see a UK flight...<

And yet AMS would work much, much better for NW. You would more likely see BA flying to London than NW



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User currently offlineKwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

The PDX-NRT flights are not really subsidized. NW is not receiving cash for the route. They have a guarantee from local businesses that have pledged to use the flight and some incentives (limited or zero landing fees for example). PDX will probably never see LHR service on BA because of Bermuda 2. Also, I think the DTW flight is now year-round

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2073 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Personally I think you guys are lucky to have a single flight to Europe, much less two. IIRC, LH was at one point down to 2x a week to FRA? I assume that the cargo loads on LH are the main reason why the flight is sticking around...

Someone on this board awhile back said that the NRT flight has been doing really well if that helps.......


User currently offlineKwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Lambertman:

LH is down to 3x per week for the winter-the loads are at 80% so it is doing OK and yes, the cargo does very well. LH goes back to daily starting Feb 28 and we are very lucky to have LH and MX (which is starting to do pretty well). I would be surprised if NW does PDX-AMS and would be more surprised if LH and NW could both co-exist. I think it would require every Europe bound PAX out of PDX to use those flights instead of connecting at SEA, ORD, CVG, DTW etc..FWIW, I am surprised STL has not been able to put a package together and get a flight to Europe


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Ahhhh, it wouldn't be the "Will PDX see more international service" thread without the usual PDX bashers Smile Thanks for showing up tonight, LambertMan.

PDX is a market that would do very well if airlines filtered in traffic on top of it's usual sales to international destinations. Delta did it, And now Northwest is. The problem Lufthansa is having, is that they get little or no feed for they're FRA flights. NW at least gets feed from MSP and DTW for the NRT run. As much as I'd love to see British fly to LHR out of PDX, it's not going to happen for a while. I think once VirginAmerica starts up...Virgin Atlantic could make a PDX flight work. They could feed people into PDX, and then put them on a Virgin A340 to LHR. Just a crazy thought, let the bashers tell me how dumb it is now Smile

As for NW expansion out of PDX, I think it'd be great to see mor NW planes here! A MEM flight would be great, as it would feed more traffic through for the Asia flight, and the HNL run. It's nice they are competing with HA on that route. It's about time someone challenged them here. The problem with PDX and more expansion West, is that SEA, SFO, and LAX all have NW service to Asia, making it hard to justify big expansion at PDX.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20539 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

To clarify a bit on the PDX-DTW nonstops.

Yes, NW does fly the route nonstop year round, but not daily. For example, flight 814 operates only Monday through Friday at the moment. The second flight added in May also isn't daily.

(You may verify the above fairly easily by attempting to book a nonstop on NW between PDX-DTW for various days of the week on the booking engine of your choice.)

Cheers.  Smile



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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3901 times:
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Regarding the LH flight: isn't it a UA codeshare also?

UA has plenty of PDX service:
7x to SFO
6x to SEA
5x to ORD and DEN
3x to LAX
1x to IAD
Commuter service to MFR, RDM, EUG

Properly planned, I'd think that LH/UA could get plenty of feed for the PDX-FRA flight with that sort of schedule. NW has the advantage with AMS and potentially NRT of having DL flights to SLC/CVG/ATL, CO flights to IAH, and AS/QX flights all over the place... but surely with a schedule like this and local traffic, LH should be able to do alright on FRA...


User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

PDX-AMS???

Interesting. Wonder how that would effect SEA-AMS?

It would be nice to see

SEA-NRT 330
SEA-AMS 330
PDX-NRT 330
PDX-AMS 330

I still think NW should bring back SEA-KIX. The 330 would be a great fit.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3868 times:
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FWIW, I am surprised STL has not been able to put a package together and get a flight to Europe
Have you been to STL lately?

The problem with PDX and more expansion West, is that SEA, SFO, and LAX all have NW service to Asia, making it hard to justify big expansion at PDX.
Why's that? PDX being an under-utilised market. If SFO, and the other gateways becomes to competitive, than PDX would be a likely suiter for expansion and NW could find a more lucretive market. Landing slots at SFO and LAX are scarce.



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

I would imagine most of the feed for the PDX-NRT flight comes from Alaska and Horizon (and perhaps DL from SLC), not DTW and MSP, as DTW and MSP have non-stop service to NRT. A MEM-PDX flight would most likely provide feed though, IMO.


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25 AeroWesty : Landing slots at SFO and LAX are scarce. How long have SFO and LAX been slot controlled? That's the first I've heard of that.
26 SHUPirate1 : There are exactly TWO airports of any significant consequence that are slot controlled in the United States, namely New York-LaGuardia and Washington-
27 Post contains images Ramprat74 : Don't forget about SNA and LGB.
28 Burnsie28 : Flashmeister- Regarding the LH flight: isn't it a UA codeshare also? UA has plenty of PDX service: 7x to SFO 6x to SEA 5x to ORD and DEN 3x to LAX 1x
29 LambertMan : I'm a PDX basher? I'm flattered even though I don't know what I've necessarily said in the past to put me in that category. Frankly, I like to see air
30 Flashmeister : Those feeds you gave are really invalid. No, they're not. I listed schedules. The point that S12 tried to make earlier was that DL and now NW are at
31 Jetjack74 : How long have SFO and LAX been slot controlled? That's the first I've heard of that. Most major airports have slot controls on them. With amount delay
32 AeroWesty : With amount delays due to traffic density, LAX and SFO do have slot restrictions for the peak times during the day and night pushes Not to pick at nit
33 NSFGUY : Flew on a new (N853US) 330 business class PDX-NRT in Oct. What a soul less and totally boring plane this sucker was! Love NWA and understand my belove
34 Stirling : How about PDX to Indianapolis or Milwaukee? Lufthansa flying San Francisco-Frankfurt nonstop, doesn't mean they automatically garner 100% of the marke
35 Leneld : I'm not sure of what NWA plans are for PDX, but I would love to see them beef up thier presense here. PDX-AMS PDX-MEM PDX-JFK PDX-DTW daily year round
36 MAH4546 : I'm OnePass. If there was a KLM PDX-AMS flight, I would surely use AS for SFO-PDX then connect to the KLM Flight just for the miles. A little connecti
37 Post contains images LambertMan : You guys are quick to judge, aren't you? PDX-IND/MKE won't happen, IND-SFO would happen before either of those would. Ok call me a hater again, I dese
38 Carfield : I am glad that NWA is doing well with PDX. PDX has a large Asian population and the NRT route makes much sense. And am I correct in assuming that the
39 S12PPL : Then INS at PDX was a huge problem when DL still operated it's Asia gateway out of PDX. I don't wanna say I remember the details perfect...but I seem
40 Stirling : I should have used SMF as an example, as it is equal distance, at least for me, to there or SFO, can use either, but preference leans towards the ease
41 Nsfguy : INS was so bad at Portland a few years ago, It was nicknamed "De-Portland" many incoming pax got refused entry on hair splitting issues, and the word
42 Tommy767 : I remember DL having a rather large operation at PDX for a while in the late 90s. I think they operated PDX-NRT, however I am not quite sure why they
43 F9HNLPLZ : How are the loads on the PDX-HNL route? Is that on the 757-300? How is that service?
44 Burnsie28 : That HNL flight is doing well not so great Today: it only went out with 59 people Tomorrow: only has 44 booked Monday is a little better: 54% in coach
45 PDXtriple7 : I am disappointed to see the PDX-HNL flight doing poorly in its early stages. I'm somewhat surprised it is doing that poorly compared to SEA. Does any
46 Superdash : It's OK LambertMan....I live in PDX and I am also classed as a basher and a Seattle lover. And Seattle has a dump for an airport. Oh well, so much for
47 MAH4546 : I am disappointed to see the PDX-HNL flight doing poorly in its early stages. I'm somewhat surprised it is doing that poorly compared to SEA. Why? Nor
48 Dtwintlflyer : Don't forget, although loads may not be very good right now, not many people travel on trips to the islands at the end of January. Give it time, we'll
49 Burnsie28 : For our boy Burnsie28 - Lufthansa can only be getting a couple flow passengers from SkyWest at Redmond, Medford, Eugene and maybe Seattle. United pass
50 MoMan : Us STL fans are hoping for an AA PDX-STL flight or two in the next year or two. Moman
51 Flashmeister : Regarding NW's PDX-HNL... I haven't seen NW pushing its flight to HNL like it did with the Tokyo service (ads all over the Max, in the paper, etc). I'
52 Leneld : SuperDash....Everything that flow from your mind thru your fingers on this forum never cease to amaze me. It has been and will always be negative wher
53 BillElliott9 : Can someone confirm or deny Burnsie's PDX - HNL data?
54 Kwbl : Burnsie28: Where are you getting your numbers from? Not arguing with your post. I would just like to know if others (like myself!) can access that inf
55 Burnsie28 : Where are you getting your numbers from? Not arguing with your post. I would just like to know if others (like myself!) can access that info. I've hea
56 NWA Man : First of all, dammit Burnsie, if you keep posting proprietary information (load factors on multiple dates) from your dad's PARS account on this websit
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