Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7365 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4327 times:
The PDX operation is doing very well. Starting this summer, NW is probably initiate year-round DTW-PDX. The PDX-NRT is also doing well. I'm standing by my claim that we're going to announce PDX-AMS in March. It was from a very reliable source, and also that MSP-CDG will also commence this summer.
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4257 times:
and now that I look it up on their website, no Memphis service either? I am surprised that they would not offer more domestic feed for the NRT service or at least have more service to their hubs if they are also operating flights to HNL and NRT.
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7365 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
DTW-PDX flights aren't yearround? Really
Nope, just peak seasons and holiday periods. That seems quite surprising
Tell me about it. We have been so blind about about Portland. PDX has always been a strong market and pretty much sat unused since DL pulled out. With the NRT and HNL flights up and running, we should be expanding and fast. I mean we'd be stupid not to. If the PDX-HNL route turns out to be as good as we hoped, then that will force us to to have year-round service to and from PDX from DTW and MEM. The departure time will probably be moved up so it can connect with in and outbound flights. This airline is so stupid sometimes. Maybe we're now just waking up.
B6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4083 times:
nope...wouldn't be a hub for NW...if at all just a focus city...but even then thats not likely. honestly right now its just another international gateway to get you to Asia from the US...just like SEA, SFO, LAX, et al.
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3597 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4012 times:
Back when DL flew PDX-NGO, how were the loads?
Wasn't SEA a NW hub before their merger with Republic? I think I remember NW stating they wanted to increase at PDX after DL pulled out. But it seems they have diverted expansion to IND and MKE. So what happened?
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
TLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3967 times:
Maybe a MEM-PDX-NRT flight would work. While MEM-PDX alone would certainly not fill an A330, a direct MEM-PDX-NRT routing could allow NW to connect passengers from the MEM hub to the NRT hub in lieu of a nonstop flight. PDX would also gain a connection to MEM and connection opportunities in the southeast...
Ejmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3931 times:
Being a Worldperks member who will most likely be moving to Nashville this summer, MEM is by far the most convienient westward connection point. SAN, PDX, ELP, SNA/LGB/ONT are probably the biggest route holes at this time. PDX service to MEM would certainly be welcome. An MSP connection from BNA is not bad, but from destinations further south and east is a bit inconvenient. The good thing is that I could use CO through IAH and still get WorlPerks miles.
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PDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3893 times:
If PDX could land AMS that would be very exciting, although I'd rather see a UK flight...but any new flights are great news for PDX. Since Delta seems to have scaled back, we don't get anymore of their widebody's...besides the one to CVG (?). MEM would be very convienient for those in the Oregon area when connecting to the southeast. A while ago, I asked how the loads on the NRT flight were, and someone said they are mostly going out full. Any news on how HNL is doing?
Kwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 441 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3835 times:
The PDX-NRT flights are not really subsidized. NW is not receiving cash for the route. They have a guarantee from local businesses that have pledged to use the flight and some incentives (limited or zero landing fees for example). PDX will probably never see LHR service on BA because of Bermuda 2. Also, I think the DTW flight is now year-round
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 37 Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
Personally I think you guys are lucky to have a single flight to Europe, much less two. IIRC, LH was at one point down to 2x a week to FRA? I assume that the cargo loads on LH are the main reason why the flight is sticking around...
Someone on this board awhile back said that the NRT flight has been doing really well if that helps.......
Kwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 441 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3764 times:
LH is down to 3x per week for the winter-the loads are at 80% so it is doing OK and yes, the cargo does very well. LH goes back to daily starting Feb 28 and we are very lucky to have LH and MX (which is starting to do pretty well). I would be surprised if NW does PDX-AMS and would be more surprised if LH and NW could both co-exist. I think it would require every Europe bound PAX out of PDX to use those flights instead of connecting at SEA, ORD, CVG, DTW etc..FWIW, I am surprised STL has not been able to put a package together and get a flight to Europe
S12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
Ahhhh, it wouldn't be the "Will PDX see more international service" thread without the usual PDX bashers Thanks for showing up tonight, LambertMan.
PDX is a market that would do very well if airlines filtered in traffic on top of it's usual sales to international destinations. Delta did it, And now Northwest is. The problem Lufthansa is having, is that they get little or no feed for they're FRA flights. NW at least gets feed from MSP and DTW for the NRT run. As much as I'd love to see British fly to LHR out of PDX, it's not going to happen for a while. I think once VirginAmerica starts up...Virgin Atlantic could make a PDX flight work. They could feed people into PDX, and then put them on a Virgin A340 to LHR. Just a crazy thought, let the bashers tell me how dumb it is now
As for NW expansion out of PDX, I think it'd be great to see mor NW planes here! A MEM flight would be great, as it would feed more traffic through for the Asia flight, and the HNL run. It's nice they are competing with HA on that route. It's about time someone challenged them here. The problem with PDX and more expansion West, is that SEA, SFO, and LAX all have NW service to Asia, making it hard to justify big expansion at PDX.
Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2891 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3577 times:
Regarding the LH flight: isn't it a UA codeshare also?
UA has plenty of PDX service:
7x to SFO
6x to SEA
5x to ORD and DEN
3x to LAX
1x to IAD
Commuter service to MFR, RDM, EUG
Properly planned, I'd think that LH/UA could get plenty of feed for the PDX-FRA flight with that sort of schedule. NW has the advantage with AMS and potentially NRT of having DL flights to SLC/CVG/ATL, CO flights to IAH, and AS/QX flights all over the place... but surely with a schedule like this and local traffic, LH should be able to do alright on FRA...
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7365 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3544 times:
FWIW, I am surprised STL has not been able to put a package together and get a flight to Europe
Have you been to STL lately?
The problem with PDX and more expansion West, is that SEA, SFO, and LAX all have NW service to Asia, making it hard to justify big expansion at PDX.
Why's that? PDX being an under-utilised market. If SFO, and the other gateways becomes to competitive, than PDX would be a likely suiter for expansion and NW could find a more lucretive market. Landing slots at SFO and LAX are scarce.
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3526 times:
I would imagine most of the feed for the PDX-NRT flight comes from Alaska and Horizon (and perhaps DL from SLC), not DTW and MSP, as DTW and MSP have non-stop service to NRT. A MEM-PDX flight would most likely provide feed though, IMO.
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25 AeroWesty: Landing slots at SFO and LAX are scarce. How long have SFO and LAX been slot controlled? That's the first I've heard of that.
26 SHUPirate1: There are exactly TWO airports of any significant consequence that are slot controlled in the United States, namely New York-LaGuardia and Washington-