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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Looking at several old TWA timetables, I surprised to see how many flights at various times TWA offered from LGA and even from EWR. Most of the flights were to Florida, though other cities like Dayton, Columbus and Kansas City were served at times during the 80s from LGA and EWR.

At one point TWA had 5 flights a day from Miami to New York from 3 different airports. In the late 1980s, TWA ran several flights a day from LGA to MIA, FLL, PBI, MCO, and TPA, leaving very little service from JFK. Was the point just to capture the strong market TWA already had in NYC for flights to Florida?

I have noticed that Eastern did similar type flights, not just to Florida (including secondary cities like MLB and DAB) but to cities such as RIC, GSO, and GSP, where they would fly 3 times a day, once from each NYC airport, until the Lorenzo era when everything bascially went from LGA, and EWR was reserved for CO, and JFK was closed outright for both CO and EA for a time.



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User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

I've been studying TWA history and it amazes me how big they were are various times over their lifecycle.

At the end, did they have an LGA presence? I thought most international departures went from JFK, most domestic connections were in STL.

Moman



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

I think they ran a seasonal LGA-PBI until the end. Also 8-10 dailys to STL.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4979 times:

>>At the end, did they have an LGA presence?<<

Yes. They had LGA-STL (and EWR-STL) right up to the end, also did some LGA-Florida routes up until a few months before the merger was announced.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4990 times:

TWA had a fairly decent schedule at LGA in 1977: (all services Mon-Fri, may be reduced Sat and/or Sun. Nonstop departures)

LGA-ORD x13 flights
LGA-CVG x3
LGA-CMH x3
LGA-DAY x4
LGA-IND x4
LGA-MCI x2
LGA-OKC x1
LGA-PIT x7
LGA-STL x5

Total Weekday Departures: 42. Not too shabby.



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

I flew TWA on the LGA-STL morning flight the day before the last flight on a 717, then the next day took the last flight. I still have my last flight memorabilia and pics I took. What a sad day indeed.


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

They had a presence in JFK pretty much until the end, but then it toned down and by then end it was next to nothing. Then they moved over to West JFK or the AA side/land in with American were they were AA.

What is the official date of when they stopped service and went into AA.

Thanks in advance!

jetBlueAtJFK



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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

TWA operated from ORD-EWR back in 1984! My first ever commercial plane trip...on a 727-200!



User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

TWA operated from ORD-EWR back in 1984! My first ever commercial plane trip...on a 727-200!

TWA also had quite a presence at ORD pre 1986 or so. They never should have given that up.....many people forget that while UA was always the undsiputed leader at O'Hare, American was in a fight with TWA, and to a lesser extent Northwest and Republic for the #2 position in the early/mid 80s. Eastern also had a large O'Hare presence, and tried to use ORD as a late night connecting hub (The Moonlight Express) for a year or so in the mid 80s.



User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

The date the TWA callsign went to AA was Dec 1, 2001. All TWA flights from this point on were AA 29XX operated by TWA. The transition occured slowly though over a span of about 3 years.

Moman



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

"until the Lorenzo era when everything bascially went from LGA, and EWR was reserved for CO, and JFK was closed outright for both CO and EA for a time."

When the Unions went on strike Eastern shut down all operations for a few weeks, when they started back up they did not restart JFK. JFK operated untill the strike, late 1989.

Eastern then concentrated on EWR, LGA and Islip in the NY Market.

They did not avoid EWR because of CO, up untill their permanent shut-down in January 1991 Eastern was flying three daily nonstops each from EWR to MIA, TPA, FLL, PBI and MCO. As well as twice daily SJU and 1 daily to Ponce Puerto Rico.

TWA's LGA-PBI flights were year round, operated with L-1011s.

TWA in '92 operated nonstop EWR-CDG.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4727 times:

Wow, this thread takes me back.

TW had an ongoing presence at all 3 NY airports over the years, often flying one-of-a-kind services. Long before EWR became a hub for PE and then CO, TW seasonally ran daily transcon night coach non-stops (from SFO with a 707 and from LAX with an L10), and for a long time the night coach L10's to JFK from the west would continue on to BOS and IAD (my brain wants to say it was PHL for some reason--I'm nearly 100% sure it was flight 16 from LAX and 44 from SFO, even though 702 sticks in my mind as one of the tag-end flights they flew), and you could transfer to the other flight, or if you were already in NY, just catch a widebody for the short hop instead of being squeezed into the EA shuttle.

LGA was such a popular airport for TW, they regularly flew L10's in from STL. They may have flown the L10 ex-LGA to other points, as I seem to recall there being more than one parked there at times in the morning, but I'd have to dig through boxes to see if I still have timetables from the 80's to confirm that, so don't quote me on it.

And while for sentimental reasons I wish TW would have kept their ORD hub, it really was impractical given they were building up their STL hub post-regulation. Their ORD-west coast flights were the first to leave the schedule starting around 1982.

Cheers  Smile



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

AeroWesty,

This was about the same time the 707s left the fleet, isnt it?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

That's awesome. TWA was a HUGE airline. They had great customer service also! I have some stories of TWA that I'll have to share later.

User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

"until the Lorenzo era when everything bascially went from LGA, and EWR was reserved for CO, and JFK was closed outright for both CO and EA for a time."

When the Unions went on strike Eastern shut down all operations for a few weeks, when they started back up they did not restart JFK. JFK operated untill the strike, late 1989.

Eastern then concentrated on EWR, LGA and Islip in the NY Market.

They did not avoid EWR because of CO, up untill their permanent shut-down in January 1991 Eastern was flying three daily nonstops each from EWR to MIA, TPA, FLL, PBI and MCO. As well as twice daily SJU and 1 daily to Ponce Puerto Rico.


EA still did run flights from EWR to Florida after Lorenzo took over, but IRC they had far more destinations from EWR prior to 1986. On the other hand, many flights were added at LaGuardia- for example cities such as Savannah and Charleston which had service on EA for many years nonstop to JFK, at the time of the 1989 strike were being flown from LGA. JFK was already being wound down at the time of strike. I'm not sure why given EA's traditional strength on domestic routes from JFK.

TWA's LGA-PBI flights were year round, operated with L-1011s.

Interesting. Sad to see those widebodies gone forever on LGA-PBI  Sad

TWA in '92 operated nonstop EWR-CDG.

Great info! I forgot that! That was the same summer that Delta flew EWR-FRA and MCO-ORY. All three were one summer only routes for their respective carriers!








User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

New York was TWA's home base. TWA Headquarters office was in NY. When NY operations got thin, they moved office to St. Louis area.




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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

They had great customer service also!

Yup. When flying a major carrier was actually a pleasant experience. Pan Am and TWA both were great for customer service.


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

I flew TWA nonstop LAX-EWR every summer in the late 70's and early 80's. We always took the 3pm flight out of LAX. It use to get into EWR after midnight. They always had the lights off in A-3 when we arrived. The flight was either a 707 or L1011.

TWA had flights from LAX to BOS, EWR, JFK, PHL, and IAD when I use to fly them. It was a great site in terminal 3 back then. You could see the TWA hangar and all from the windows.


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

TWA also had quite a presence at ORD pre 1986 or so. They never should have given that up.....many people forget that while UA was always the undsiputed leader at O'Hare, American was in a fight with TWA, and to a lesser extent Northwest and Republic for the #2 position in the early/mid 80s. Eastern also had a large O'Hare presence, and tried to use ORD as a late night connecting hub (The Moonlight Express) for a year or so in the mid 80s.


They had the only ORD-LHR flight for a while way back then too, didn't they?


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

They had the only ORD-LHR flight for a while way back then too, didn't they?

Yup, that was a signature TWA route- sold by Ichan to AA in 1991 along with JFK-LHR and BOS-LHR. TWA flew that route from the beginning of the jet age I believe all the way until the AA sale. At one time only TWA and BA flew from Chicago to London. Can you imagine- two of the Western world's largest cities linked by only two airlines?ORD-LHR, must have been one of TWA's most profitable routes. And yes, they were the only US airline to fly the route.

[Edited 2005-01-28 01:26:58]

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

"New York was TWA's home base. TWA Headquarters office was in NY. When NY operations got thin, they moved office to St. Louis area."

Not NYC proper, rather the Northern Westchester County suburb of Mt.Kisco, the only reason why the headquarters was there was because it was close to the Estate homes of Carl Ichan and his investors in Westchester County and Fairfield County Connecticut.

As soon as Ichan was not associated with the carrier anymore they made the move to St.Louis.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Here were TW's domestic operations at EWR as of July 1, 1976:

ORD-EWR 1x 72S, 1x 707, 1x L10
CMH-EWR 1x 727
DEN-EWR 1x 727
LAX-EWR 1x 707
PIT-EWR 1x 727, 1x 707, 2x DC9, 1x 72S
STL-EWR 1x DC9, 1x 707
IAD-EWR 1x 707

All in all, nothing to get all that excited about for us folks living near EWR at the time (though being able to spot the L10 departure back to ORD the next morning was a nice treat!)



User currently offlineFirstclasser From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

I remember in 1998, (March something... I know it was a monday) I went with my dad down from JFK-TPA. It was the "tampa shuttle" or something. Early morning trip. Departed from Terminal 6. On the way back (friday morning 10AMish), it continued on to Boston, I believe. I'm a little nostalgic. Can anyone give me details as to which flights these were? I know they were either a 727 or MD-80 (DC-9 possibly). My first flight ever.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

This was about the same time the 707s left the fleet, isnt it?

Yup, around that time. The last time I flew a TWA 707 SFO-EWR was 1979, and the last time I flew it STL-SFO was 1982. They left the fleet shortly after that. Four engines, no AVOD, loud roar on take-off--the way flying was meant to be, LOL.

Cheers  Smile



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User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

Hey Firstclasser

Do you remember the exact date? In March of 1998 TWA still had two daily JFK-TPA flights. You were most likely on Flight 261 which departed JFK at 8:35AM and arrived at TPA at 11:27AM. The flights were operated with 727-200s.

Your return flight TPA-JFK would have either been Flight 120 with an 8:10AM departure time or Flight 304 with a 12:25PM departure time. The first was operated with the MD-82 and the later flight with the 727-200.


25 AeroWesty : Without making a string of byzantine quotations from posts above regarding the NY location of TWA's HQ, suffice to say some of it was right, and some
26 Kkfla737 : The March 1, 1982 TWA timetable: From EWR: ORD 4x MIA 1x PHX 1x PIT 1x STL 1x PBI 1x From LGA: ORD 5x CVG 1x CMH 3x DAY 1x FLL 2x FMY 1x IND 2x MCI 1x
27 Moman : I go past the old TWA office every time I'm at STL now. It is now the American Airlines St. Louis operations center. Moman
28 Tommy767 : Obviously TWA had a large NYC presence. All of the crew based at JFK staffed LGA and EWR as well. TWA was a bit bigger at LGA than EWR. Nonetheless, b
29 STT757 : "Before CO's reign USAir also had some sort of a base at EWR." From the late Eighties to mid-Ninties US Air was the second largest carrier at EWR, US
30 Tommy767 : STT757: Thanks for the clarification. As a sidenote to your BUF flight in 1991, I think USAir operated EWR-BUF for a long time up until the late 1990s
31 Milesrich : Before deregulation, TWA was #2 to AA in JFK/EWR to LAX/SFO nonstop traffic. United was 3rd. TWA was the preferred airline, over Pan Am, to European d
32 Firstclasser : DETA737: Yes, the AM flight was definately 261. The return one might have been the 12:25 one. I remember returning to JFK at about 2:15. It continued
33 N62NA : Before deregulation, TWA was #2 to AA in JFK/EWR to LAX/SFO nonstop traffic. United was 3rd. Interesting, so I did some more research. I remember TW
34 WesternA318 : N62NA, very true, those were the days. I miss TWA like nothing else. I loved being a passenger on them and then in turn, working for them, What a grea
35 STT757 : Another tid-bit is that I believe that TWA's first Trans-Con service originated from EWR, it was a prop flight which made several stops en-route. I be
36 AeroWesty : STT, you're correct. The "Sky Chief" services dating back to the 1930's departed from Newark. One routing flew via Columbus-Kansas City-Albuquerque on
37 TUNisia : TWA also served JFK from PHX at one point in the early 90s using 767s. They brough this serve back for a short time with MD80s I think. Also LAS was s
38 Post contains images Jmy007 : Hey Moman, The building you pass on Natrual Birdge was not the HQ. It was the flight training center of TWA, taken over from Ozark, the orginal tenant
39 JFernandez : I became a TWA loyalist as a kid in the 80's because they had one of the few nonstop JFK-MAD flights.
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