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Westjet Applies For Etops For Flights To Hawaii  
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7507 times:

Saw this in the paper today. Looks like Westjet is applying for ETOPS to start flights to Hawaii. I'm hoping a YYC-HNL flight will be in there Big grin

WestJet sets sights on Hawaii

Lisa Schmidt
Calgary Herald


January 27, 2005


WestJet Airlines Ltd. has started to certify its planes to fly greater distances over water, opening the door to new destinations like Hawaii.

The Calgary-based discount carrier has applied to Transport Canada for ETOPS certification -- extended-range twin-engine operations -- to permit the airline to fly longer distances over water, a spokeswoman confirmed Wednesday.


Link to the full article:
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/business/story.html?id=c09c4b11-3dca-4c6e-99b1-5a7d18377084




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User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

Thanks to the cool looking winglets, no doubt!

Well considering the recent pullout of YVR by Aloha (or Hawaiian, too lazy to check) there certainly is an opening for WJ.

This has been in the works for quite some time, ETOPS prep takes years to complete.



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User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7389 times:

I was speaking with a a captain today, he was saying that the majority of the ETOPS certification is done, and that they are very close. I have a feeling it will work out right when the new 600s with the winglets show up.

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3655 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7306 times:
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It is Aloha who is pulling out of YVR. Hawaiian doesn't have any Canadian destinations.

I've said it in another thread that Westjet should use at least the -700 and not the -600. The -700 has better range than the -600 and lower operating costs. The extra range would be beneficial since they may add Hawaii flights from YYC.


User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Keep in mind that we also have 737-800's w/winglets coming in April, May, and June.


EH.
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

That would be great to fly Westjet to Hawaii. When will Aloha stop the Yvr flights? Why are they pulling out of YVR?

User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7044 times:

Aloha to end Burbank and Vancouver service

In order to reposition aircraft for the added Orange County and San Diego flights, Aloha will be discontinuing service to Burbank and Vancouver. Effective February 1, Aloha's Burbank-Reno service will be suspended. On April 3, all service from Burbank will be discontinued. Then, on April 11, Aloha's service to Vancouver will end. Reservations will continue to be taken through the last day of service. Passengers booked on future Aloha flights to and from Burbank and Vancouver will be re-accommodated.



EH.
User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3655 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6971 times:
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Keep in mind that we also have 737-800's w/winglets coming in April, May, and June.

If the -800 can make it YYC-HNL, they should use it. They have the feed at YYC to do fill the aircraft. The -800 can definitely can make it YVR-HNL, but is on the edge of the -800's still air range.

Aloha is leaving YVR due to it being a non-profitable route for them. The yields were too low even though I remember the loads being quite decent, in the 70% range which was supposed to the load factor in which it would be a profitable flight.


User currently offlineJetMARC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6899 times:

They mentioned 'destinations like Hawaii'. Considering HNL is international, couldn't WJ be planning on flying to Europe as well???


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User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Does anyone know how Harmony is doing on the Yvr to Hawaii run? They seem to have added more flights so I would think they are doing good. I can see the Palm Springs flight doing BAD. They should think about doing Miami or Orlando.

User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6814 times:

.... Strange. I always thought that a given type of aircraft has ETOPS certification for a particular distance (90, 120, 180min etc). It was new to me that also the airline has to apply for certification.

OK, maybe there are higher maintenance requirements for the engines and the crew has to be better trained for emergency situation. Can anybody help me there with some information ?

Regards,
Jan


User currently offlineCgagn From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6581 times:

I am also wondering what PADSpot has mentioned in the above reply. Is it extra maintenance on the part of the airline or what's the deal? Other than over-water safety gear, what's the difference?

C-GAGN



Widebodies flown on: A330-300,A340-300,A380-800,747-400,767-200ER,767-300ER,777-200A,777-200ER,777-200LR,777-300ER
User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

Westjet service to Hawaii? 737NG flights across the Pacific are also done by Air Pacific with their 73Hs from Nadi to HNL to YVR. I, for one, would love to see WJ 73Ws and 73Hs @ HNL.

Serving the neighbor islands should also be a snap. Harmony already has direct 752 flights to OGG.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

A 737-800 can't make it from Canada to HNL.

I am also wondering what PADSpot has mentioned in the above reply. Is it extra maintenance on the part of the airline or what's the deal? Other than over-water safety gear, what's the difference?

The changes at the airline are drastic, and numerous.

Training, maintenance practices, safety practices, many things.

N


User currently offlineScf158 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

This may be a silly question... but what exactly is ETOPS??

User currently offlineCgagn From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

It stands for Extended Twin Operations, if I'm not mistaken. It has to do with how far a twin engine aircraft can be from a suitable diversion airport in case of an emergency, usually measured in minutes. I'm sure someone can explain in better detail.

C-GAGN




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User currently offlineGodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Wasn't there a period where SQ had a high number of inflight engine-shutdowns which resulted in their ETOPS being reduced until they had the problems solved, or am I getting it wrong here?

Max


User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

ETOPS-Engines Turning Or Passengers Swimming. Just kidding.
Cgagn has it right. Another version is Extended Twin Overwater Passenger Service



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User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Gigneil.... Air Pacific flys YVR-HNL-NAN with 737-800 if i am not mistaken

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

>A 737-800 can't make it from Canada to HNL.<

Tell Air Pacific that Neil. It can make YVR, YYC would not go. I don't know about with winglets, but a standard 736 has around the same range as a standard 738 so that would not really be a change. A 73G, however would be a good choice

WJ will be better equiped to offer the flights as they are a true LCC with all Y service (as opposed to AQ's F/Y service) and have the feed on the more important end.



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

GodBless..

I believe you are correct. My information is that ETOPS operators monitor their engines very closely and will pull them rather than risk a shut down. Their maintenance has to be of the very highest order which raises the question in my mind about some operators who could be operating twins but will not.


User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

Rumor has it that our 737-600's will have more range than a 737-700.


EH.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

A 737-800 can't make it from Canada to HNL.

They can and do.



Another version is Extended Twin Overwater Passenger Service

ETOPS certification has nothing, per se, to do with over-water ops



ETOPS = Extended-range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

>Rumor has it that our 737-600's will have more range than a 737-700.<

Rumor has it wrong.



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25 Astral : There was a recent change by the FAA in aircraft weight & balance calculation. The average passenger weight for US carriers on ETOPS has gone up. Thus
26 N1120A : >a 149 configuration B737-700 NG winglets would still need at least 78% load to break even, and when you are down to only 110-120
27 Astral : I am refereeing to using the B737-700 NG winglets to HNL. Load factor is one thing, but yield is another. It all depends on the fares charged on the Y
28 Gigneil : Gigneil.... Air Pacific flys YVR-HNL-NAN with 737-800 if i am not mistaken Apparently I was wrong then. But that certainly lends technical credibility
29 Yyz717 : Aloha is leaving YVR due to it being a non-profitable route for them. The yields were too low even though I remember the loads being quite decent, in
30 CanadaEH : Rumor has it wrong. How do you know?
31 Swissy : My understanding is Airtransat Vacation is using WS Aircrafts and Crews so therefore load factor is not a issue for WS. WS A/C and Crews are widely us
32 Bowen0614 : Does anyone know how is Harmony's Charter flight YYJ - HNL doing? Harmony is now flying to/from YYJ and HNL twice every week
33 Astral : Harmony flight YYJ-HNL is not charter, it is a scheduled service but seasonal only. Do note Harmony is no longer a charter airline. All its routes are
34 ConcordeBoy : How do you know? Because said rumor would need to break the laws of Einsteinian Physics to be true... that's how he knows.
35 Arrow : Einsteinian Physics? I thought it was Newtonian physics, with a dash of Bernoulli thrown in.
36 Cxh : As mentioned by Swissy, Transat Tours Canada (the child of Transat A.T. Inc and parent of tour operators Transat Holidays and World of Vacations) uses
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