SHUPirate1 From United States, joined Sep 2003, 3568 posts, RR: 25 Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1096 times:
Is a non-Bermuda II airline (ie. Continental, Delta, Northwest, or US Airways) allowed to divert to Heathrow in a dire emergency? Let's say, for example, that a US Airways flight from Philadelphia to Frankfurt has to divert to Heathrow due to a mechanical issue in the air, and the plane absolutely has to go to Heathrow, for whatever reason. Would this be allowed, or would the plane be hung out in limbo instead?
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AeroWesty From United States, joined Oct 2004, 15634 posts, RR: 66 Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1004 times:
Flights between the US and the UK utilizing London-Gatwick are regulated under the Bermuda II agreement, even though the agreement is commonly mistaken to cover only Heathrow flights/carriers.
Bermuda II covers all aspects of air services between the two countries, and it has only been since 1996 that access for US carriers to all United Kingdom airports other than Heathrow and Gatwick under 3rd and 4th Freedom rights has been liberalized.
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 859 times:
Heathrow and Gatwick are, relatively speaking, close in air minutes. So a plane is more likely to divert (or return) back to where it came from. I believe regardless of Bermuda II, any plane in a dire emergency can land at LHR if absolutely necessary... after all, sod any agreement when you've got 400 lives at stake.
Hijackings, on the other hand, would tend to go to Stansted as they've got facilities there.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7740 posts, RR: 33 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 763 times:
A TWA 763 did divert to LHR after take-off from LGW some time ago. Emergency and medical diversions are not part of the Bermuda treaty. Any airline can make a emergency landing at LHR whether they are allowed to fly into Heathrow or not.
Danialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 726 times:
I dont think any civil airline / airplane (for that matter) needs landing rights anywhere in the world in a dire emergency, unless there is a situation of war or something like that.
Wasnt there a cargo plane (DC8 or 747) that lost two engines under the same wing (lost = literally fell off) and diverted to a military airport in France? Likely did not have landing rights there!
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Aaway From United States, joined Oct 2003, 1182 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 712 times:
Good question, SHUPirate 1.
How about a lesser situation...fog. If visibilities were so low for a prolonged period at one, would affect B-2 carriers be allowed to divert to the other?
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Runway31 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 678 times:
They are not allowed to operate a route. A diversion is not operating a route it is a diversion for whatever the reason, whether fuel related, weather etc, not a route operation. The only thing which will stop them diverting is if the airport at capacity and cannot take them. Its got nothing to do with Bermuda II.
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