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UPS To Take Swiss MD11s  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

UPS is to add 11 MD11s to its fleet, currently operated by Swiss.

Deliveries to start as soon as planes are converted and painted.

This brings UPS's MD11 fleet to 26.


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Great news!!! so the 777LR MD-11 replacement is falls afterall.


better Cargo MD-11 than sitting job-less in the desert


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

MauriceB:

The 777F has been available for only a couple of months and you call it a "failure?" 5X hasn't even said that they were or were not interested in the 777F.



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User currently offlineBrowntailwhale From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Actually the rumor of 777's at UPS is alive and well. We were going to get these MD-11's anyway, it's just that Boeing was having a hard time finding airframe to procure for us as FedEx is aggressively purchasing most of the available ones.

The MD-11 at UPS is an interim airframe. Supposedly we have a firm deal with Boeing for 25 747-400SF's and are actively negotiating for 777F's.


User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13210 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Cool...glad to see some still good not so old Mad Dogs to continue flying for a long time to come! It is amazing that the DC-10/MD-11 has had a unique second life as a major cargo aircraft. Who thought that would happen 15-35 years ago? Must be something in the McD-D genetic line, look at the long life of use of the DC-3's & DC-9's. Maybe they built their a/c too good!

User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

~" FedEx is aggressively purchasing most of the available ones."~

The odd thing about these Swiss MD11s is that FedEx was going to get these birds originally. I wonder why they passed on the deal..

Good news for UPS..



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User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Perhaps the manufacturer selling Swissair's MD11 replacements was instrumental in the deal?

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
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Once question,

How can UPS add 11 MD-11's operated by SWISS when they don't operate any??



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

OK, OK, my mistake; I should, of course, have said "formerly operated by Swiss".

The fact that Fed Ex and UPS are looking around for MD11s should surely encourage the likes of Varig and Finnair to look towards replacing these aircraft with newer models.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

The 777F has been available for only a couple of months and you call it a "failure?" 5X hasn't even said that they were or were not interested in the 777F.

reed it again, i never said failure. i said as an MD-11 replacement. please read everything twice before posting


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

This is a smart business move by UPS as instead of wasting money on a $ 200 million B 777-200LRF, they can buy 6 MD 11Fs for that same price!!! Plus these machines of LX are just 12 years old so they can easily last another 7-10 years with UPS.

I dont think so UPS should go for the A 380F as of now as theyre plenty of cheaply available B 744s which can be converted into the Special Freighter program.



User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

"I dont think so UPS should go for the A 380F as of now as theyre plenty of cheaply available B 744s which can be converted into the Special Freighter program."

They were strongly motivated to go with the A380 in order to salvage the deposits for the 35+ A300s on firm order that were cancelled as part of the A380F order. IMO, the A380 probably makes more sense as a package freighter for UPS than the 744SF.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

How many carriers DC10 and MD11 fleets has 5X taken now? Three?



User currently offlineBrowntailwhale From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Yes three, Vasp, JAL, and now Swiss. It is supposedly a done deal for 25 747-400SF's, they ARE coming, plus UPS is still actively looking at the 777F. Don't be surprised at all to see the MD-11, 747-100/200, 747-400SF, 777F and the A380F in the long haul fleet at UPS together.

User currently offlineXaphan From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

As a fellow SDF'r, I can't wait to see the new big equipment!

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

UPS is going to be a monster in the international package market in ~10 years or so. I can't wait, long live the brown!

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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1942 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Supposedly we have a firm deal with Boeing for 25 747-400SF's

Why operate the A380F and the B747-400SF side by side?

Cheers!



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

because A380F will have 40tons more payload than the B747-400SF

Avianca



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User currently offlineBrowntailWhale From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

And you can buy 4 -400's for the price of one 380!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

>This is a smart business move by UPS as instead of wasting money on a $ 200 million B 777-200LRF<

Wasting? I would not call the longest ranged, highest payload to weight heavy freighter available a waste of anything.

>Why operate the A380F and the B747-400SF side by side?<

The 744 has better payload to weight ratio than the A380 and the A380 has more total space

>UPS is going to be a monster in the international package market in ~10 years or so. I can't wait, long live the brown!<

They already are

Looks like the ONT ramp will finally see newer 747s



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2980 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

UPS is still flying the 747-100F and those are over 30 years old!
I saw one take-off yesterday at KIX and it used the FULL 3,500m runway. Even better than those A343 take-offs.

UPS operated 3 ex-VASP MD-11s, will soon have all 10 ex-JL MD-11s, and 11 ex-LX MD-11s. This adds up to 24. Where are the other two coming from? DL?


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

intresting to know how many of the freight that UPS moves in this moment are packages and express shipments due the orders of this big machines. All integrators are filling up the aircrafts with very bad payed consolidation aircargo shipments.




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User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

UPS currently operates 3 ex-VASP, 2 ex-Varig, and 8 ex-JAL MD-11's. This year UPS will put into operation the last 2 ex-JAL's and 2 ex-Varig MD-11's. The first 2 ex-Swiss MD-11's will be put into operation late this year with the remaining 9 coming into the system by 2007.
That will make 28 MD-11's in the fleet.
The rational for cutting the A300 order and ordering the A380's are two fold. With increasing competition domestically, there is pressure to continually improve service while keeping costs down. So the company is relying more on long distance trucking with driver teams, so the transit time remain the same as air with lower costs.
Frequencies into China are still very much controlled by the Chinese government, so the only way to increase capacity into China is to operate airplanes with higher cargo loads. Competition is heavy, but everyone is operating with the same restrictions while attempting to get more frequencies into more cities in China. The potential for every operator, both Chinese and foreign is tremendous; even with the limitations and only a relatively few Chinese using these services, growth will be the highest of any region in the world.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

MauriceB:

Since you put it that way...

How about: MD-11Fs are available now (or in the near future), and 777Fs are still about 4 years out? It's the same reason the Chinese ordered 20 dead-end A330s instead of 787s or A350s.



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