Browntailwhale From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2760 times:
Actually the rumor of 777's at UPS is alive and well. We were going to get these MD-11's anyway, it's just that Boeing was having a hard time finding airframe to procure for us as FedEx is aggressively purchasing most of the available ones.
The MD-11 at UPS is an interim airframe. Supposedly we have a firm deal with Boeing for 25 747-400SF's and are actively negotiating for 777F's.
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12677 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2704 times:
Cool...glad to see some still good not so old Mad Dogs to continue flying for a long time to come! It is amazing that the DC-10/MD-11 has had a unique second life as a major cargo aircraft. Who thought that would happen 15-35 years ago? Must be something in the McD-D genetic line, look at the long life of use of the DC-3's & DC-9's. Maybe they built their a/c too good!
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4655 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2211 times:
This is a smart business move by UPS as instead of wasting money on a $ 200 million B 777-200LRF, they can buy 6 MD 11Fs for that same price!!! Plus these machines of LX are just 12 years old so they can easily last another 7-10 years with UPS.
I dont think so UPS should go for the A 380F as of now as theyre plenty of cheaply available B 744s which can be converted into the Special Freighter program.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
"I dont think so UPS should go for the A 380F as of now as theyre plenty of cheaply available B 744s which can be converted into the Special Freighter program."
They were strongly motivated to go with the A380 in order to salvage the deposits for the 35+ A300s on firm order that were cancelled as part of the A380F order. IMO, the A380 probably makes more sense as a package freighter for UPS than the 744SF.
Browntailwhale From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2031 times:
Yes three, Vasp, JAL, and now Swiss. It is supposedly a done deal for 25 747-400SF's, they ARE coming, plus UPS is still actively looking at the 777F. Don't be surprised at all to see the MD-11, 747-100/200, 747-400SF, 777F and the A380F in the long haul fleet at UPS together.
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5881 posts, RR: 39 Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1807 times:
intresting to know how many of the freight that UPS moves in this moment are packages and express shipments due the orders of this big machines. All integrators are filling up the aircrafts with very bad payed consolidation aircargo shipments.
Broke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
UPS currently operates 3 ex-VASP, 2 ex-Varig, and 8 ex-JAL MD-11's. This year UPS will put into operation the last 2 ex-JAL's and 2 ex-Varig MD-11's. The first 2 ex-Swiss MD-11's will be put into operation late this year with the remaining 9 coming into the system by 2007.
That will make 28 MD-11's in the fleet.
The rational for cutting the A300 order and ordering the A380's are two fold. With increasing competition domestically, there is pressure to continually improve service while keeping costs down. So the company is relying more on long distance trucking with driver teams, so the transit time remain the same as air with lower costs.
Frequencies into China are still very much controlled by the Chinese government, so the only way to increase capacity into China is to operate airplanes with higher cargo loads. Competition is heavy, but everyone is operating with the same restrictions while attempting to get more frequencies into more cities in China. The potential for every operator, both Chinese and foreign is tremendous; even with the limitations and only a relatively few Chinese using these services, growth will be the highest of any region in the world.