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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

I find it hard to understand why there isnt a direct flight available from the UK to Guyana, considering the historic/cultural links.

Both KLM and Air France maintain regular links with Paramaribo and Cayenne respectivley.

Demand surely exists for a BA 767 service to Georgetown.

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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Yes, I can understand what you mean!....I Have many good friends from British Guyana, Georgetown who live in Jamaica Queens, New York.....However There are many flight from JFK to GEO......What is the Guyanese population in the UK?


Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineEta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

This has already been covered ad nauseum.

User currently offlineAirfrancejfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Answer is pretty simple, while most of the overseas Guyanese in the United States and Canada are fairly recent immigrations (mass emigration from the 1980's to present), most of those in the U.K. have been there since the 1950's & 1960's, and have little or no family ties back home in Guyana. This is why there are sometimes up to 3 daily flights (BWIA, North American & Universal) between JFK-GEO, and yet only a weekly connection service with BWIA via Barbados or Port of Spain. Supposedly, even the BWIA flight from Port of Spain to London, only carries a handful of passengers originating or terminating in Guyana.

I remember when BOAC used to fly the route, that was back in the early 80's. BWIA flew a few direct flights with the Tri Star to/from London and Georgetown via Port of Spain, but this didn't last long.


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

most of those in the U.K. have been there since the 1950's & 1960's, and have little or no family ties back home in Guyana.

Sorry I don't quite agree with you there. I'm assuming that Guyanese population in the UK shares similar history with other Carribean communities you'd find there today. There are still large number of British nationals who return to Jamaica, Trinidad & Antigua each year to see their relatives, many of whom have been living in the UK since the 50s & 60s. If that's the case, surely the Guyanese too would still have plenty of family ties in Guyana?

It's not really fair to compare Guyana with its French and ex-Dutch neighbours. Surinamese population in Holland is massive, while French Guiana is still a French posession (they are a part of EU unlike Tahiti).


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Orion, not a big deal, you can fly to A´dam-Par´bo on a B747 and take a minibus/taxi to N.Nickerie from Par´bo (paved road all the way takes 2-3 hrs),
then ferry to Guyana and then travel onward.
The big question is when the A380 will start to fly on the A´dam-Par´bo route,
definitly a demand there.


User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Alessandro,

You're VERY optimistic fro AMS-PBM! But I get the point, at least there is a connection via PBM.
When PY still had its own flights into US, I remember them operating a DC8-63 PBM-GEO-JFK. Although the flight originated in PBM, most of the seats were filled when leaving GEO.
BW must be making lots of cash on GEO-POS with all the onward connections possible, either to the Caribbean, US/Canada or Europe.
Maybe, when KLM settles things in the Caribbean they'll re-open former DCA and ALM's GEO-CUR routes.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

I also don´t think there is big demand for a London - Georgetown flight.

AF flights to Cayenne are good booked with high yield travellers, as the main station of the ESA is there.

An for PBM as mentioned in the Netherlands are a lot of people of Surinam...

Avianca



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

I went on the route last spring and the KLM B747 was crammed, sat next to
a guy that been waiting one week to get a ticket and was really releaved
that he got a ticket. Saw construction taking
place at the Par´bo airport and I´m sure a weekly A380 during peak season could be reasonable, also Paris-Cayenne could have at least one weekly
A380.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Poor air service to GEO is not due to a lack of market knowledge - several Western airlines have explored offering service to Guyana, and have come to the same conclusion: the lack of tourism, the need to invest heavy capex to bring GEO up to acceptable standards, and the total absence of premium demand to Guyana renders any potential service uneconomical.


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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

GEO did have flights to LHR back in the day by BA, up to about 1985. I remember seeing the BA 747 there in 1978 when I first visited Guyana. The flight was routed GEO-POS-BGI-ANU-LHR. Nonetheless, given the relatively short runway in GEO the Jumbos were load restricted.

Guyana, though a very scenic country, has a small population and a somewhat limited demand for air services, hence the dominance of BW with its connections via POS to North America and the UK. The Guyanese community in the UK is not particularly large and is certainly not comparable with the Surinamese community in The Netherlands.

TrintoCan.



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User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

This is why there are sometimes up to 3 daily flights (BWIA, North American & Universal) between JFK-GEO

Well, BWIA does not fly JFK-GEO non-stop. But, yes, there are times when Universal and NAA are both operating JFK-GEO. From what I hear of late, though, is that Universal is not doing very well financially. They have also swapped their 763 for a 757.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1728 times:

The big question is when the A380 will start to fly on the A´dam-Par´bo route

This is a joke, right?

During peak seaons it is difficult to find seats on all major destinations. I'm sure that PBM is not in the priority list for any ailrine needless to say deplying the A380...this is a dream...KL does not even sustain a daily flight to PBM! flights are only 3 x week, and you expect a carrier to operate the A380?

Of course, since there is no competition, KL flights to PBM are profitable, but this is a result of a monopoly due to low demand rather than high traffic volumes.

As for GEO, the situation is even more difficult because BA could not even sustain 1 or 2 x week flights LHR-GEO. I think we will continue to see BWIA dominance in GEO for quite some time...

Rgs,


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