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MD80 Off The Runway At MCI, Airport Closed  
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

MCI 01/133 MCI AP CLSD

Flights diverting...

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8142 times:

can I take a WILD guess and say American?!?! Good lord this is so odd, what the hell is wrong with the MD80's?!?!

Alex



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

Ding! We have a winner!

87 pax.. They've requested a bus to come get them off the aircraft...


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

OPNLguy-

Is it the flight from LGA? I went to flightarrivals.com and i dont see the airport closed or any "incidents" reported. where did you hear the info? What is going with the MD80's? Especially with American? Or is it possible that it is an ex TWA MD80? Maybe those have something to do with it?

Alex



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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

Hmmm...we're getting a little snow here in KC, maybe and the winds are pretty calm...I wonder why they'd close the airport...they usually use 1/19, and we have an east and west runway, as well as 9/27...why wouldn't they continue operations on the "good" runway?

User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

I doubt these problems are related to the MD80. It only sounds like it since American has over 300 MD80s flying. If anything happens, it's a greater chance to happen to the mad dog because of the greater numbers.

And I highly doubt that TWA birds have any more likelyhood of problems then the AA ones. TWA had some of the newest mad dogs.

Moman



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

>>> Is it the flight from LGA?

Don't know...


>>>I went to flightarrivals.com and i dont see the airport closed or any "incidents" reported.

Most of those sites are not necessarily updated up-to-the-hour, much less up-to-the-minute...


>>> where did you hear the info?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you...  Big grin
(,,and for the record, that's an expression, not a threat)  Big grin


Runway/airport should be re-opened about 0430Z/2230C


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

>>>why wouldn't they continue operations on the "good" runway?

Most likely, all the ARFF stuff is tied up with the incident aircraft, and not readily available for use...


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

OPNLguy- too late I already called the cops  Laugh out loud hehe

Then id doubt itd be the flight from LGA.

Alex



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7810 times:
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If anything happens, it's a greater chance to happen to the mad dog because of the greater numbers.


Well, that doesn't explain WN's relative lack of incidents, despite having 300+ aircraft of the same type. And yes, I'm knocking on wood as I type this...

The one variable that jumps out is SOPs and the pilots' adherence to them. Perhaps there is a segment of training that is ambigious or currently not stressed highly enough in AA training.

I don't mean to criticize AA or their pilots, by the way. I just can't think of any other variable that would explain such a difference between AA and WN's recent luck (or lack therof).


2H4




P.S. - Atrude777, don't bother calling the cops on OPNL...he's already under surveillance for asking too many questions about covert DAL P-3 ops.  Smile



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User currently offlineZona8 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7764 times:

AA1254:
A/CN227AA EQPS80 227
A/CN227AA EQPS80 227
PSVC
OVR MCI TO OMA ETA2200 OVER MCI ACCT AIRPORT CLOSED. FTWDP-JAY KNOWLTON
PRE0839
RON


Don't know a flight number for flight that went off.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

P-3 ops? What P-3 ops?  Big grin

I know Jay Knowlton; great guy. He must have been busy...  Big grin



User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7657 times:

An AA S80 incident in MCI! What happened!?

No matter what happened, it is unacceptable to me... (mad)

of course I wanted to know what MCI airport looks like , so I did photo research...

Photos of MCI airport:


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Photo © Patrick McManus
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Photo © Jack Hannen








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User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Did it slide off the runway attempting to turn off it or did it go off the end during landing roll out? When conditions are slick the MD80 has a tendency to slide the nose at all but the lowest of speeds due to its length and small nose wheels.

User currently offlineUSrampleadSTL From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7463 times:

I just finished working three flights that diverted to STL as a result, very nearly cancelled altogether leaving us with a bloody mess (not to mention a near mutiny). Fortunately, they all made it to MCI by about 2am.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

I just checked the DRUDGE REPORT, Fox News Channel and all three local TV news stations (ABC, NBC, CBS) in KC. They are not reporting anything

Where did you here this?


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

I just checked the DRUDGE REPORT, Fox News Channel and all three local TV news stations (ABC, NBC, CBS) in KC. They are not reporting anything

Where did you here this?


Opnlguy is a dispatcher. When it comes to aircraft incidences, they usually get the info before drudge, fox, or any network.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6721 times:

>I just checked the DRUDGE REPORT, Fox News Channel and all three local TV news stations (ABC, NBC, CBS) in KC. They are not reporting anything<

You really need to get a new news source



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6379 times:

>>>I just checked the DRUDGE REPORT, Fox News Channel and all three local TV news stations (ABC, NBC, CBS) in KC. They are not reporting anything.

Recall that the media commonly subscribes to the notion that "if it bleeds, it leads", and conversely, if it doesn't, it doesn't.

From the index at the KC Star...

6. Smattering of snow snarls traffic on KCI runways and area roadways
By JOHN SHULTZ The Kansas City Star
Light snow glazed roads — and apparently runways — around the area Friday night, triggering a spate of wrecks and gumming up more than a few sets of early weekend plans. ... at Bannister Road. At Kansas City International Airport, an MD-80 passenger jet slipped off ...
Saturday, January 29, 2005 (KansasCity.com)


[Edited 2005-01-30 02:05:26]

User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

2h4--

Isn't the M80 quite a bit longer than the 737 though?



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User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

The MD80 and DC-9 series are somewhat, notorious shall we say, for their ground handling. It's one of the reasons the bird's were dubbed, "the lead sled", this coming from an NW DC-9 pilot. I won't spectulate on the exact reason, the only thing I can think of is that because the aircraft is so tail-heavy it could cause poor traction on the nose wheel therefore making the aircraft somewhat more difficult to steer. Nonetheless these incidents do seem to be happening alot lately and I would think AA will be taking a look at their SOPs.




Go Cubs!
User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

737-200 - 94' 0"
737-300 - 109' 7"
737-400 - 119' 7"
737-500 - 101' 9"
737-600 - 102' 6"
737-700 - 110' 4"
737-800 - 129' 6"
737-900 - 138' 2"

MD-80 - 147' 10"


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

A friend of mine at AA will probably move from 757/767 F/O to MD-80 Captain. I'll have to remind him to keep the plane on the pavement!

User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Didn't another AA M80 slide off a runway at PVD a few weeks ago? What gives? I see a change to their training program in the future...

User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

AA M80 runway-related incidents

JFK (emergency landing)
LIT (thunderstorm landing)
PVD (overrun landing)
RDU? (stuck in mud during taxi)
DEN (landed short of runway)
ORD (bird strike shortly after take off)
ORD (slided off runway)
MCI (?)



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25 WingnutMN : I once heard from a NW DC-9 pilot that when they are taxiing on icy surfaces, they can actually make the plane move side to side by powering up each e
26 Av8trxx : can I take a WILD guess and say American?!?! Good lord this is so odd, what the hell is wrong with the MD80's?!?! My first thought as well. How many h
27 OPNLguy : ******************************************************************************** ** Report created 1/31/2005 Record 2 ** *****************************
28 PSU.DTW.SCE : You guys are being rather critical of AA here, I can think of several instances in the past year of other airlines such as Delta and NW having aircraf
29 Lehpron : Well who own more of those types of airplanes? If there is a tendency in the plane, I would think the one with the most will notice it, eh?
30 LMP737 : 2H4: The MD-80 can get quite squirrelly on wet or icy surfaces. Even when going at a slow rate of speed.
31 2H4 : LMP, that's one of the missing factors I was looking for. Thanks for the input. 2H4
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