Atrude777 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 4175 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
OPNLguy-
Is it the flight from LGA? I went to flightarrivals.com and i dont see the airport closed or any "incidents" reported. where did you hear the info? What is going with the MD80's? Especially with American? Or is it possible that it is an ex TWA MD80? Maybe those have something to do with it?
Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
Goingboeing From United States, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
Hmmm...we're getting a little snow here in KC, maybe and the winds are pretty calm...I wonder why they'd close the airport...they usually use 1/19, and we have an east and west runway, as well as 9/27...why wouldn't they continue operations on the "good" runway?
Moman From United States, joined Aug 2004, 896 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4270 times:
I doubt these problems are related to the MD80. It only sounds like it since American has over 300 MD80s flying. If anything happens, it's a greater chance to happen to the mad dog because of the greater numbers.
And I highly doubt that TWA birds have any more likelyhood of problems then the AA ones. TWA had some of the newest mad dogs.
2H4 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 8136 posts, RR: 65 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4073 times:
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If anything happens, it's a greater chance to happen to the mad dog because of the greater numbers.
Well, that doesn't explain WN's relative lack of incidents, despite having 300+ aircraft of the same type. And yes, I'm knocking on wood as I type this...
The one variable that jumps out is SOPs and the pilots' adherence to them. Perhaps there is a segment of training that is ambigious or currently not stressed highly enough in AA training.
I don't mean to criticize AA or their pilots, by the way. I just can't think of any other variable that would explain such a difference between AA and WN's recent luck (or lack therof).
2H4
P.S. - Atrude777, don't bother calling the cops on OPNL...he's already under surveillance for asking too many questions about covert DAL P-3 ops.
September11 From United States, joined May 2004, 3192 posts, RR: 27 Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3920 times:
An AA S80 incident in MCI! What happened!?
No matter what happened, it is unacceptable to me... (mad)
of course I wanted to know what MCI airport looks like , so I did photo research...
Jeb94 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 531 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3794 times:
Did it slide off the runway attempting to turn off it or did it go off the end during landing roll out? When conditions are slick the MD80 has a tendency to slide the nose at all but the lowest of speeds due to its length and small nose wheels.
USrampleadSTL From United States, joined Jan 2005, 102 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3726 times:
I just finished working three flights that diverted to STL as a result, very nearly cancelled altogether leaving us with a bloody mess (not to mention a near mutiny). Fortunately, they all made it to MCI by about 2am.
Goingboeing From United States, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 26 Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3064 times:
I just checked the DRUDGE REPORT, Fox News Channel and all three local TV news stations (ABC, NBC, CBS) in KC. They are not reporting anything
Where did you here this?
Opnlguy is a dispatcher. When it comes to aircraft incidences, they usually get the info before drudge, fox, or any network.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
>>>I just checked the DRUDGE REPORT, Fox News Channel and all three local TV news stations (ABC, NBC, CBS) in KC. They are not reporting anything.
Recall that the media commonly subscribes to the notion that "if it bleeds, it leads", and conversely, if it doesn't, it doesn't.
From the index at the KC Star...
6. Smattering of snow snarls traffic on KCI runways and area roadways
By JOHN SHULTZ The Kansas City Star
Light snow glazed roads — and apparently runways — around the area Friday night, triggering a spate of wrecks and gumming up more than a few sets of early weekend plans. ... at Bannister Road. At Kansas City International Airport, an MD-80 passenger jet slipped off ...
Saturday, January 29, 2005 (KansasCity.com)
Highliner2 From United States, joined Nov 2000, 688 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
The MD80 and DC-9 series are somewhat, notorious shall we say, for their ground handling. It's one of the reasons the bird's were dubbed, "the lead sled", this coming from an NW DC-9 pilot. I won't spectulate on the exact reason, the only thing I can think of is that because the aircraft is so tail-heavy it could cause poor traction on the nose wheel therefore making the aircraft somewhat more difficult to steer. Nonetheless these incidents do seem to be happening alot lately and I would think AA will be taking a look at their SOPs.
September11 From United States, joined May 2004, 3192 posts, RR: 27 Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1791 times:
AA M80 runway-related incidents
JFK (emergency landing)
LIT (thunderstorm landing)
PVD (overrun landing)
RDU? (stuck in mud during taxi)
DEN (landed short of runway)
ORD (bird strike shortly after take off)
ORD (slided off runway)
MCI (?)
WingnutMN From United States, joined Jan 2004, 430 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1570 times:
I once heard from a NW DC-9 pilot that when they are taxiing on icy surfaces, they can actually make the plane move side to side by powering up each engine separatly. I understand this could have more of an impact on a 737 with thust line being so far from the fuselage, but not on a DC/MD aircraft. I would regard this pilots info as very accurate because he was a senior captain. Anyone else ever heard of this before?
WingnutMN
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! It's a bonus if you can fly the plane again!!
26 Av8trxx: can I take a WILD guess and say American?!?! Good lord this is so odd, what the hell is wrong with the MD80's?!?! My first thought as well. How many h
27 OPNLguy: ******************************************************************************** ** Report created 1/31/2005 Record 2 ** *****************************
28 PSU.DTW.SCE: You guys are being rather critical of AA here, I can think of several instances in the past year of other airlines such as Delta and NW having aircraf
29 Lehpron: Well who own more of those types of airplanes? If there is a tendency in the plane, I would think the one with the most will notice it, eh?
30 LMP737: 2H4: The MD-80 can get quite squirrelly on wet or icy surfaces. Even when going at a slow rate of speed.
31 2H4: LMP, that's one of the missing factors I was looking for. Thanks for the input. 2H4
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